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bigtree

(86,006 posts)
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:19 AM Mar 2019

Charges DROPPED in case against Jussie Smollett!

...MSNBC.

Man, an entire internet industry was thriving off of this, even some of it directed toward a bizarre, completely false and baseless association made with Kamala Harris.

Wow.

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Charges DROPPED in case against Jussie Smollett! (Original Post) bigtree Mar 2019 OP
Great gratuitous Mar 2019 #1
No Swagman Mar 2019 #32
It's a purely local story, in my opinion gratuitous Mar 2019 #34
Guilt is assigned by courts alone. LanternWaste Mar 2019 #44
Twist! blogslut Mar 2019 #2
WOW! hlthe2b Mar 2019 #3
really? I wonder why janterry Mar 2019 #4
something serious must have occured with regard to the prosecution's case bigtree Mar 2019 #9
Probably just not worth their time Loki Liesmith Mar 2019 #12
I'm going to guess something more serious bigtree Mar 2019 #15
Doubt it but we'll see Loki Liesmith Mar 2019 #23
Just speculation H2O Man Mar 2019 #39
his lawyer says there's no agreement bigtree Mar 2019 #45
Did he promise not to do it again? Sneederbunk Mar 2019 #5
No he claims he didn't do it now dsc Mar 2019 #35
A deferment !??!? uponit7771 Mar 2019 #6
Oh. ooky Mar 2019 #7
No details yet Buzz Lightyear Mar 2019 #8
Interesting. Skidmore Mar 2019 #10
I don't think Geragos was actually charged blogslut Mar 2019 #14
not yet, anyway Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #48
What a wild and unexpected turn of events. PTWB Mar 2019 #11
Let's hear from Fox and the haterz malaise Mar 2019 #13
Trump supporters are going to lose it nt maryellen99 Mar 2019 #16
totally exonerated! rampartc Mar 2019 #17
More than jail, he needs counseling. His acting career is screwed. I think this is good. Hoyt Mar 2019 #18
it appears the charges are false bigtree Mar 2019 #20
But he is forfeiting his bond. And they said they took his community service into consideration. Tipperary Mar 2019 #38
He is innocent, DA leaks are saying teh case fell apart obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #58
So I imagine they will be charging the two brothers? Tipperary Mar 2019 #65
Why? Charges dropped, he is not guilty of anything obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #25
Looks like the charges were 100% false, the CPD wouldn't seal the case if it was a good case that uponit7771 Mar 2019 #53
100% this obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #59
The Chicago Police didn't seal it. It was the State's Attorney. WillowTree Mar 2019 #64
Either one ... they wouldn't seal the case if it was just a technicality ... then ... espunge his uponit7771 Mar 2019 #66
He forfeited his $100,000 bond to the city and they dropped the charges Jarqui Mar 2019 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Mar 2019 #21
This is how the linked article quotes the Cook County Attorney's office: Jarqui Mar 2019 #22
I'm going to wait for the statements bigtree Mar 2019 #24
+1, his lawyers say he didn't do anything ... he's even got his ARREST record expunged uponit7771 Mar 2019 #29
It is 10K, not 100K obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #27
It was 10K, not 100K obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #26
Right, he could be paying to get the issue off record vs a deferment or a fine uponit7771 Mar 2019 #30
Apparently, the case is going to be sealed Jarqui Mar 2019 #33
Typically you pay a bondsman 10% of a bond and that is always non-refundable PTWB Mar 2019 #37
That would explain it .. thanks nt Jarqui Mar 2019 #41
That is what attorneys are stating obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #57
Smollet's lawyers are saying he paid nothing and did no service ... waiting on Smollet's word uponit7771 Mar 2019 #28
depressing that many will still not accept innocence Swagman Mar 2019 #31
OJ would agree. Sneederbunk Mar 2019 #43
his case was unsucessfully prosecuted to the end bigtree Mar 2019 #51
Where did the DA refuse to prosecute OJ and dropped all charges obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #61
Difference being Smollet didn't hire the prosecutor exboyfil Mar 2019 #56
Hmmm... I want to see the full case file. toddwv Mar 2019 #36
I think it is sealed by agreement according to media reports Jarqui Mar 2019 #40
+1, Smollet can talk .. I don't think he's under seal. Somethings wrong though, Looks like CPD made uponit7771 Mar 2019 #46
Sooooooooo, CPD jus made some shit up about bruh ... they some slimy bastards. Never to be trusted uponit7771 Mar 2019 #42
My interpretation is mercuryblues Mar 2019 #47
police misconduct bigtree Mar 2019 #49
Yes mercuryblues Mar 2019 #60
Yup, they found something big, is my guess obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #62
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2019 #63
+1, his lawyer said he didn't want to a continued fight in regards to the bond. This looks so slimy uponit7771 Mar 2019 #52
Who the hell is Jussie Smollet?? kentuck Mar 2019 #50
well, his name has been associated since his arrest with a leading Dem candidate bigtree Mar 2019 #54
An actor mercuryblues Mar 2019 #55

Swagman

(1,934 posts)
32. No
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:52 AM
Mar 2019

it's important to discuss the case.

An awful lot of people on this forum just accepted guilt on no facts.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
34. It's a purely local story, in my opinion
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:59 AM
Mar 2019

Yes, Jussie Smollet has a very public job (though I've never heard of him before this, but that's on me, I'm old), but really, this has nothing to do with anyone beyond the folks involved, and the entertainment media folks who depend on these stories for their livelihood.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
44. Guilt is assigned by courts alone.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:17 PM
Mar 2019

We merely speculate ("discuss&quot on it.

Guilt carries with it predetermined consequences levied by the court system alone, wholly independent of any one poster on a message board.

Again, we merely speculate ("discuss&quot on it.


bigtree

(86,006 posts)
15. I'm going to guess something more serious
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:32 AM
Mar 2019

...something to do with the credibility of the two brothers accusing him.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
23. Doubt it but we'll see
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:41 AM
Mar 2019

Limited resources explains most prosecutorial decisions in this country. But who knows?

H2O Man

(73,627 posts)
39. Just speculation
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:07 PM
Mar 2019

upon my part, but there is a distinct possibility that the prosecutors have read a report from the defense's psychiatrist, and have agreed to drop charges in return for his agreeing to treatment. The prosecution had plenty of evidence to confirm the brothers' story, so I don't think that is likely a factor.

bigtree

(86,006 posts)
45. his lawyer says there's no agreement
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:20 PM
Mar 2019

...think about how summarily this has been dismissed.

It's not at the end of treatment, as most prosecutions require, nor has there been ANY mention of mental health treatment by the prosecution.

This was dropped in a lurch, signaling something happened with the prosecution. If there was a deal, there would be a record, an accounting. What we're left with is a sealed indictment and a case dropped in the middle of what prosecutors had said was a slam dunk.

Now were supposed to think this was some humanitarian gesture by prosecutors? That would, in itself, be breaking news.

The brothers confirmed they were the attackers. They dropped the dime on Smollett after hours and hours of denials to investigators they were even involved in the attack.

Let's see if they get charged now. Or, let's look for the most likely culprit, police* misconduct for the way the brothers were interrogated and how their statement was obtained..

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
10. Interesting.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:25 AM
Mar 2019

He was represented by Mark Geragos, who apparently is charged along with Avenatti in that NIKE mess.

blogslut

(38,019 posts)
14. I don't think Geragos was actually charged
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:31 AM
Mar 2019

He was working with Avenatti but I don't think he was charged

bigtree

(86,006 posts)
20. it appears the charges are false
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:34 AM
Mar 2019

...at the least, uncorroborated.

You don't get jail for that.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
38. But he is forfeiting his bond. And they said they took his community service into consideration.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:06 PM
Mar 2019

One does not forfeit one’s bond if one is completely innocent. I would think he would sue.

obamanut2012

(26,154 posts)
58. He is innocent, DA leaks are saying teh case fell apart
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:47 PM
Mar 2019

Please show me any plce where it is claimed he is not innocent? You can't.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
65. So I imagine they will be charging the two brothers?
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 01:36 PM
Mar 2019

If he was attacked in a hate crime, surely he would want justice, yes?

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
53. Looks like the charges were 100% false, the CPD wouldn't seal the case if it was a good case that
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:38 PM
Mar 2019

... went wrong on a technicality

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
66. Either one ... they wouldn't seal the case if it was just a technicality ... then ... espunge his
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 01:52 PM
Mar 2019

... arrest record as if the arrest wasn't even valid.

Response to Jarqui (Reply #19)

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
22. This is how the linked article quotes the Cook County Attorney's office:
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:38 AM
Mar 2019
“After reviewing all of the facts and circumstances of the case, including Mr. Smollet’s volunteer service in the community and agreement to forfeit his bond to the City of Chicago, we believe this outcome is a just disposition and appropriate resolution to this case,” the Cook County state’s attorney’s office said in statement.


So Cook County is smearing him with what?

Aren't those the facts?

How is he getting his $100,000 bond back?

Edit:
Here's a link to where he posted $100,000 bond
https://abc7chicago.com/jussie-smollett-out-on-bond-after-being-accused-of-staging-attack-/5148577/
The judge set Smollett's bond at $100,000. He posted bond and was released from custody shortly before 4 p.m.


Bond Forfeiture Law and Legal Definition
https://definitions.uslegal.com/b/bond-forfeiture/
A forfeited bond becomes the property of the jurisdiction overseeing the case, and it cannot be refunded.

bigtree

(86,006 posts)
24. I'm going to wait for the statements
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:42 AM
Mar 2019

...but it sounds like the prosecution is trying to cover their wrongful arrest.

The fact that the actor already performed those acts doesn't mean it was why the case was dismissed. It sounds bogus. Why would they let go of the charges, halfway through, just because he completed a little community service? There were like 16 charges!

obamanut2012

(26,154 posts)
26. It was 10K, not 100K
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:45 AM
Mar 2019

We do not know all the details, yet, but it can absolutely be they charged him 10K for expungement and sealing, as per two litigators I am friends with,

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
33. Apparently, the case is going to be sealed
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:58 AM
Mar 2019

I do not know how it went from $100,000 bond - which was widely reported when originally arranged to $10,000 which is being reported by many now (some still saying $100,000 ...)

Sounds like the prosecution may not have had as good as case as they thought ... not sure ...

edit from Buzzfeed today for example
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/michaelblackmon/jussie-smollett-charges-dropped

Chicago prosecutors said Tuesday that Smollett was forfeiting the $100,000 bond he had paid to be released from jail in February as part of the decision to drop the charges.
 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
37. Typically you pay a bondsman 10% of a bond and that is always non-refundable
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:05 PM
Mar 2019

I’m not sure what they did in this case though.

Swagman

(1,934 posts)
31. depressing that many will still not accept innocence
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:51 AM
Mar 2019

what in the Hell does someone have to do?

Too many people raged against Smollett and abandoned the important notion of the Presumption of Innocence.

There is no point in complaining about Donald Trump if you can respect the process of law.

bigtree

(86,006 posts)
51. his case was unsucessfully prosecuted to the end
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:35 PM
Mar 2019

...this one was dropped by the DA decisively in the middle of the prosecution.

obamanut2012

(26,154 posts)
61. Where did the DA refuse to prosecute OJ and dropped all charges
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:49 PM
Mar 2019

And expunged and sealed everything?

This is literally the opposite of that.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
56. Difference being Smollet didn't hire the prosecutor
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:43 PM
Mar 2019

that made this decision. Especially after that prosecutor had already stated that no crime had been committed before being hired.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
46. +1, Smollet can talk .. I don't think he's under seal. Somethings wrong though, Looks like CPD made
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:20 PM
Mar 2019

... up some shit.

mercuryblues

(14,547 posts)
47. My interpretation is
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:26 PM
Mar 2019

from what I have been hearing, is that the arrest was bogus to begin with. Prosecutors do not offer this if type of deal willy nilly. There were some major problems that they want to keep out of the press. As for forfeiting the bond? It was $100,000 which means he paid 10,000 cash. Not a lot of money to someone with his earning potential. Forfeiting the bond closes the case quicker.

My theory? The police coerced the brothers to say JS paid them to beat him up. The police chief was so sure JS set this up he would go to any length to arrest him.

mercuryblues

(14,547 posts)
60. Yes
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:48 PM
Mar 2019

Big enough to get the prosecutor to offer this outcome. This even took the defense lawyers by surprise.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
52. +1, his lawyer said he didn't want to a continued fight in regards to the bond. This looks so slimy
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:37 PM
Mar 2019

... for the CPD to do this.

So damn slimy

bigtree

(86,006 posts)
54. well, his name has been associated since his arrest with a leading Dem candidate
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:40 PM
Mar 2019

...in literally countless internet smears.

So, making like this is a big nothing is subjective to what your interest is.

Google helps, but I've been concerned with this black, prominent member of the LGBT community's plight from the beginning of his reported assault.

And you know you a mob was allowed to run free with the initial charges, so more than a little room is deserved for this acquittal.

mercuryblues

(14,547 posts)
55. An actor
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:40 PM
Mar 2019

On "Empire" a hit tv show. He is black and gay. A short while ago he was beaten up in Chicago. He was arrested and charged with 16 counts. The police said he paid 2 brothers he knew (they were his fitness and diet coach) to beat him up to advance his career.

Today, not only are the charges being dropped, but expunged and records sealed.

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