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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCharges DROPPED in case against Jussie Smollett!
...MSNBC.
Man, an entire internet industry was thriving off of this, even some of it directed toward a bizarre, completely false and baseless association made with Kamala Harris.
Wow.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Now, can we PLEASE talk about something else?
it's important to discuss the case.
An awful lot of people on this forum just accepted guilt on no facts.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Yes, Jussie Smollet has a very public job (though I've never heard of him before this, but that's on me, I'm old), but really, this has nothing to do with anyone beyond the folks involved, and the entertainment media folks who depend on these stories for their livelihood.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)We merely speculate ("discuss" on it.
Guilt carries with it predetermined consequences levied by the court system alone, wholly independent of any one poster on a message board.
Again, we merely speculate ("discuss" on it.
blogslut
(38,019 posts)hlthe2b
(102,408 posts)janterry
(4,429 posts)n/t
bigtree
(86,006 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)bigtree
(86,006 posts)...something to do with the credibility of the two brothers accusing him.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Limited resources explains most prosecutorial decisions in this country. But who knows?
H2O Man
(73,627 posts)upon my part, but there is a distinct possibility that the prosecutors have read a report from the defense's psychiatrist, and have agreed to drop charges in return for his agreeing to treatment. The prosecution had plenty of evidence to confirm the brothers' story, so I don't think that is likely a factor.
bigtree
(86,006 posts)...think about how summarily this has been dismissed.
It's not at the end of treatment, as most prosecutions require, nor has there been ANY mention of mental health treatment by the prosecution.
This was dropped in a lurch, signaling something happened with the prosecution. If there was a deal, there would be a record, an accounting. What we're left with is a sealed indictment and a case dropped in the middle of what prosecutors had said was a slam dunk.
Now were supposed to think this was some humanitarian gesture by prosecutors? That would, in itself, be breaking news.
The brothers confirmed they were the attackers. They dropped the dime on Smollett after hours and hours of denials to investigators they were even involved in the attack.
Let's see if they get charged now. Or, let's look for the most likely culprit, police* misconduct for the way the brothers were interrogated and how their statement was obtained..
Sneederbunk
(14,308 posts)dsc
(52,169 posts)and was permitted to do so on the court house steps.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Now they need a two hour press conference with the police chief explaining it.
Buzz Lightyear
(73 posts)I wonder what's going on.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)He was represented by Mark Geragos, who apparently is charged along with Avenatti in that NIKE mess.
blogslut
(38,019 posts)He was working with Avenatti but I don't think he was charged
Maru Kitteh
(28,343 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)malaise
(269,200 posts)Wow!
maryellen99
(3,789 posts)rampartc
(5,439 posts)let the book and movie deals roll!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)bigtree
(86,006 posts)...at the least, uncorroborated.
You don't get jail for that.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)One does not forfeit ones bond if one is completely innocent. I would think he would sue.
obamanut2012
(26,154 posts)Please show me any plce where it is claimed he is not innocent? You can't.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)If he was attacked in a hate crime, surely he would want justice, yes?
obamanut2012
(26,154 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... went wrong on a technicality
obamanut2012
(26,154 posts)WillowTree
(5,325 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... arrest record as if the arrest wasn't even valid.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)I guess like he paid $100,000 fine ...
Response to Jarqui (Reply #19)
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Jarqui
(10,130 posts)After reviewing all of the facts and circumstances of the case, including Mr. Smollets volunteer service in the community and agreement to forfeit his bond to the City of Chicago, we believe this outcome is a just disposition and appropriate resolution to this case, the Cook County states attorneys office said in statement.
So Cook County is smearing him with what?
Aren't those the facts?
How is he getting his $100,000 bond back?
Edit:
Here's a link to where he posted $100,000 bond
https://abc7chicago.com/jussie-smollett-out-on-bond-after-being-accused-of-staging-attack-/5148577/
The judge set Smollett's bond at $100,000. He posted bond and was released from custody shortly before 4 p.m.
Bond Forfeiture Law and Legal Definition
https://definitions.uslegal.com/b/bond-forfeiture/
A forfeited bond becomes the property of the jurisdiction overseeing the case, and it cannot be refunded.
bigtree
(86,006 posts)...but it sounds like the prosecution is trying to cover their wrongful arrest.
The fact that the actor already performed those acts doesn't mean it was why the case was dismissed. It sounds bogus. Why would they let go of the charges, halfway through, just because he completed a little community service? There were like 16 charges!
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)obamanut2012
(26,154 posts)obamanut2012
(26,154 posts)We do not know all the details, yet, but it can absolutely be they charged him 10K for expungement and sealing, as per two litigators I am friends with,
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Jarqui
(10,130 posts)I do not know how it went from $100,000 bond - which was widely reported when originally arranged to $10,000 which is being reported by many now (some still saying $100,000 ...)
Sounds like the prosecution may not have had as good as case as they thought ... not sure ...
edit from Buzzfeed today for example
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/michaelblackmon/jussie-smollett-charges-dropped
Chicago prosecutors said Tuesday that Smollett was forfeiting the $100,000 bond he had paid to be released from jail in February as part of the decision to drop the charges.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Im not sure what they did in this case though.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)obamanut2012
(26,154 posts)I defer (teehee) to them.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Swagman
(1,934 posts)what in the Hell does someone have to do?
Too many people raged against Smollett and abandoned the important notion of the Presumption of Innocence.
There is no point in complaining about Donald Trump if you can respect the process of law.
Sneederbunk
(14,308 posts)bigtree
(86,006 posts)...this one was dropped by the DA decisively in the middle of the prosecution.
obamanut2012
(26,154 posts)And expunged and sealed everything?
This is literally the opposite of that.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)that made this decision. Especially after that prosecutor had already stated that no crime had been committed before being hired.
toddwv
(2,830 posts)See how easy that is Republicans?
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)unrelated, here's a statement
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... up some shit.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)mercuryblues
(14,547 posts)from what I have been hearing, is that the arrest was bogus to begin with. Prosecutors do not offer this if type of deal willy nilly. There were some major problems that they want to keep out of the press. As for forfeiting the bond? It was $100,000 which means he paid 10,000 cash. Not a lot of money to someone with his earning potential. Forfeiting the bond closes the case quicker.
My theory? The police coerced the brothers to say JS paid them to beat him up. The police chief was so sure JS set this up he would go to any length to arrest him.
bigtree
(86,006 posts)...a most likely culprit.
mercuryblues
(14,547 posts)Big enough to get the prosecutor to offer this outcome. This even took the defense lawyers by surprise.
obamanut2012
(26,154 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... for the CPD to do this.
So damn slimy
kentuck
(111,110 posts)bigtree
(86,006 posts)...in literally countless internet smears.
So, making like this is a big nothing is subjective to what your interest is.
Google helps, but I've been concerned with this black, prominent member of the LGBT community's plight from the beginning of his reported assault.
And you know you a mob was allowed to run free with the initial charges, so more than a little room is deserved for this acquittal.
mercuryblues
(14,547 posts)On "Empire" a hit tv show. He is black and gay. A short while ago he was beaten up in Chicago. He was arrested and charged with 16 counts. The police said he paid 2 brothers he knew (they were his fitness and diet coach) to beat him up to advance his career.
Today, not only are the charges being dropped, but expunged and records sealed.