I don't get this fetishism about Trump supporters. There are not enough of them to elect him. Trump is a historically unpopular president and will struggle to get re-elected. The attack on Obamacare makes it much worse for him and other Republicans.

Anyone not saying what I'm saying above is blowing smoke.

in my rant. TBH I also don't respect most of these independent voters because historically they tend to be idiots. They make their decisions on a whim like a coin flip. Trump could sway them by lying to them that he will bring a better alternative to the ACA. Obviously his supporters will believe him but he could peel off enough independents with his lies to win again. Yes Trump is very unpopular but unfortunately the electoral college favors him.

independent. They claim they are "independent" and then behave as ideologs. If they voted for Trump before they will do it again whether he brings down the ACA or not. Those voters are Fox News brainwashed ideologs who will believe any lie they are fed by right wing propagandists, and they don't care when the lie is exposed as bullshit. They won't even care if they lose their own healthcare, they will deny that they lost it, just like they are denying the tax scam didn't help them now. That is the true level of stupid these people have revealed, and they have shown to us over and over again. They are a lost cause and we should not waste one minute of our time trying to appeal to them again, ever.

Its our own voters and more importantly, new voters, that feel in danger of losing their affordable access to health care who will help push us over the finish line in 2020 if he tears down the ACA. If we pass our legislation in the House now, for improvements to the ACA, those voters will have no reason to believe the lies of the one who is taking it away from them while producing no hard legislation of his own ready to pass into law. And, I think we can be highly confident that Republicans will have no popular legislation for health care ready to pass.

For these reasons he and Republicans clearly have nothing to gain incrementally in terms of 2020 votes by having their partisan court system dismantle the ACA. It won't affect their voters but it will embolden ours. Whether it will be enough is still to be seen, we all need to get out the vote. But if he dismantles the ACA it isn't going to hurt us at the polls, its a political gift on a silver platter.

Obamacare. They will make it look great to the MAGAs. However, the mere fact that the GOP and Trump were willing to take healthcare from millions for political gain and vindictiveness against President Obama ought to be enough to turn millions against the GOP and Trump.

They are so up their own asses, that they never believe they will ever need a safety net. Just one bad traffic accident away.

who have apparently forgotten the run-up to 2016 when anyone on DU who dared suggest Trump might win - and that we should not take winning for granted - was called a "concern troll."

Regardless of how long the OP has been here, if we act like the run-up to 2016 and dismiss anyone who (like 2016) suggests we should not take Trump for granted - we are likely to repeat the outcome.

Feel free to poke fun at low post folks - or maybe remember how that turned out just a little over two years ago and take the concerns seriously this time.

Trump has the heavy thumb of active Russian measures working for him this time again as well.

We underestimate his 2020 chances at our peril.

Eyes wide open

Trump is beatable but at the same time Democrats can't get complacent and assume it will be easy. This is going to be hard and everybody has to come prepared and ready to take on this challenge. I live NC which is a purple state so I will do my part in canvassing for whoever wins the 2020 Democratic nominee.

will go over well with ignorant white wingers

let me just give you a summary of who I'am. I'm a 35 year old Indian American male who was born in VA but grew up in NC. My parents are from India. My father had a huge influence on me growing up when it came to being a democrat. He came to this country very poor with my mother from India. When I was born they didn't have enough money so they had to get on food stamps and got welfare.

My dad and mom eventually completed their education here and got good jobs but the first 14 years of my life was pretty tumultuous. My parents didn't have success until my teen years that catapulted my family into stable middle class status. During that time period I endured a lot of racism in school and out of school. I lived in blue collar white neighborhoods and the people were just straight up ignorant. Hell I'm pretty sure a lot of the bigots I went to school with are probably Trump supporters along with their parents.

9/11 happened when I was a freshman in college. I despised Bush with a passion so I signed up and immediately became a registered Democrat. The Bush years left me jaded about how stupid this country can be. I tried my hardest to debate and convince Bush supporters that Bush was a crook and that the War on Iraq was a farce. Unfortunately nothing I said would work to change these people's minds. When Kerry lost to Bush in '04 I was heartbroken and crushed. It was hard for me to believe this country could re-elect an idiot.


So the reasons why I'm a democrat is first because I believe in their economic progressive ideals since my family benefited from them. Secondly because I believe in tolerance which the republicans lack. Thirdly Bush had a huge influence on me because he showed me as a young adult how unqualified Republicans are to lead this country. Now you decide if I'm a troll.

I am pretty sure at this point none of us are assuming anything. Anymore, I'm not sure that north will be north anymore.

Much better.

Trump needed to be prevented. It's like ounce of prevention in 2016, pound of cure in 2020.

I'm never going to assume an incumbent will be defeated, no matter the particulars. Too many variables wander all over the place and can appear devastating but totality favors the incumbent.

Both sides despise the a president of the opposing party to such frenzy that it skews perspective as re-election approaches. There was overboard confidence toward Kerry here in 2004, and I was laughing at right wingers on sports sites who were insisting that Obama had no chance in 2012.

Trump had basically a 30% chance throughout the fall campaign of 2016. I doubt there will be any point during 2020 that the Democratic likelihood reaches 70%.