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So Dump and his campaign never colluded nor conspired... (Original Post) SHRED Mar 2019 OP
Did Mueller actually say that, or did Barr say he said that? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #1
Well SHRED Mar 2019 #2
Is he? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #3
They are working together right now SHRED Mar 2019 #4
Barr. But, I never knew that Barr and Mueller were longtime, close friends and their Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #6
No, neither. Barr's letter did not even say that. nt greyl Mar 2019 #9
Say that they were friends?? Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #13
No, "never colluded nor conspired". nt greyl Mar 2019 #14
Need to find out who was actually "in his campaign". Looked up Stone, and Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #5
here's where I'm at with it.... TalenaGor Mar 2019 #7
There is something wrong. madaboutharry Mar 2019 #8
Exactly ! You have two friends, one of whom is a regimented military guy who Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #16
We don't know what Mueller said Leith Mar 2019 #10
Right now it's still the Schroedinger report. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #11
That's what I'm talking about! (nt) mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #15
Says who? greyl Mar 2019 #12
what does it say - on the collusion part? Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #17
Indeed it says that '(collusion) was not 'established' with the Russian Government' mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #18
and that has transmogrified into "Russians" in the national narrative. Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #19
Hard to know what to believe until we see the full report. NCLefty Mar 2019 #20
Jeremy Bash said four simple things: Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #21
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
6. Barr. But, I never knew that Barr and Mueller were longtime, close friends and their
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:54 PM
Mar 2019

wives go to bible study together. (thanks for info Colgate).

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
5. Need to find out who was actually "in his campaign". Looked up Stone, and
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:51 PM
Mar 2019

it was fuzzy. Think Trump fired him after his first, futile attempt at third party in order to demean Pat Buchanan.

TalenaGor

(1,104 posts)
7. here's where I'm at with it....
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:54 PM
Mar 2019

I believed in him the entire time I trusted his integrity I believed he was doing the best he could do.....

I have not seen his report....it's highly likely that it says something completely different then what Barr says

it's also possible that he totally knew that the fix was in and he fed stuff to other entities such as states and/or Congress..... And who knows who else......

It could be he knew that the path Justice was not through his boss.....

It also could be that behind the scenes it was completely shut down they may have threatened his family for all we know...
Russia might have stepped in and threatened to Nuke the United States or something crazy....

We just don't know...... But I don't think this is over. And until I have a reason to question his integrity I'm not going to.....

I definitely don't think that bar honestly represented whatever Mueller came up with.....


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madaboutharry

(40,219 posts)
8. There is something wrong.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:56 PM
Mar 2019

And I think the only way anyone will know the truth is if there is someone who will leak the unedited report.

What we can expect now is a sanitized version written by Barr. This whole thing is a farce.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
16. Exactly ! You have two friends, one of whom is a regimented military guy who
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 12:08 AM
Mar 2019

follows all rules, protocols, and authority chains, and the other, in bed with Trump. What could go wrong there?

We need to let it play out and FOCUS on protecting the swing state voting systems. And that, coming from me, who has always been about nailing him, says a lot.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
10. We don't know what Mueller said
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:58 PM
Mar 2019

A thinking person may consider the mysterious addition to the 2016 rethug platform about supporting who-the-heck-knows in Ukraine to be a type of foreign collusion. Others may have their suspicions about tRump's secret meetings with Pootin. Perhaps it was the nonstop squealing about witch hunts, hoaxes, and "no collusion!" that would make Lady MacBeth wonder what the fuss was about.

rethugs don't seem to have noticed anything. They are the Mr. Magoo of our alternativized world.



The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,831 posts)
11. Right now it's still the Schroedinger report.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:59 PM
Mar 2019

Until we open it, it's collusion and no collusion at the same time.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
18. Indeed it says that '(collusion) was not 'established' with the Russian Government'
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 12:11 AM
Mar 2019

Which is fukcing weasel words if there ever were any.

Established could very easily mean 'to the point we'd take it to court', which is a far cry from 'no evidence'.

And of course, all they ever dealt with was cutouts and oligarchs. No Russian Senators contacted TrumpCo ffs.

Not colluding with the formal GOVERNMENT doesn't mean shit, esp. not when it comes to Russia.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
19. and that has transmogrified into "Russians" in the national narrative.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 12:52 AM
Mar 2019

Gotta give Chuck Todd credit for making that point, too, right out of the gate.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
21. Jeremy Bash said four simple things:
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 01:02 AM
Mar 2019

Trump asked for Russian assistance.
Trump received Russian assistance.
Trump benefited from Russian assistance.
Trump rewarded Russian assistance.

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