I won’t get on one of them.

those 300+ people that died on those planes are pleased to know that a "safety feature" that had been an "extra cost" safety feature will now be considered "standard equipment."

I'm wondering if the FAA "certification team" has received their latest "bonus check" from Boeing yet or just accepted the "here, we've filled out those certification papers for you" line like last time?

Imagine if Chevrolet charged you extra for rear brakes.

It is the American corporate way. I would never set foot on a Boeing jet.

included in models higher than the base models.

Unfortunately, that practice has been going on for some time, unless the government stepped in and mandated that it has to be standard.
A perfect example of this was ABS brakes. Now they are standard, but the used to be an option.

This issue is even more troubling, because it was an option that reports an incorrect reading between sensors. While I don't assume to have knowledge about this, I have to ask what conditions would cause that, and why don't other models require that change also, and if not, then is this just a work-around for a known problem due to design or something else?

Still a lot of unknowns I believe

for external conditions like icy roads. Boeing's extra safety feature is just an alarm that goes off because the plane itself is fucking up. That's a big difference. Boeing isn't fixing a problem that is happening in its planes it is letting the pilots know that the plane is f**king up.

So if one sensor breaks the plane can figure it out.

Also alarms that tell pilots something is wrong can be very valuable.

Boeing isn't fixing the problem in the plane, it is letting the pilots know that the plane is f**king up.

This is how you engineer safe systems. Pitot tubes fail 0.01 percent of flights. So you add a second sensory to reduce failure rate to 0.000001%.

or is it with the software? You are saying the problem is with the pilot tubes but Boeing claimed the problem was with the software.

Check that thread above- there were a mutiplicity of economic trade offs and small errors involved. But the decision to rely on a single pitot tube may have been the biggest error

only necessary in this model?

Did they add a feature that makes this necessary?

The software pushes down the pilots stick in certain climbs to make sure the stick requires equal effort to change pitch at all points on the climb.

To know how much to push the stick the software uses input from pitot tubes that measure pitch.

The two planes that crashed had only one pitot tube. The safer option is to have two tubes. The current fix requires two tubes and if they disagree, it turns off this part of the software.


What’s going on is well understood, it’s just a complex system and Boeing made several decisions to save money.

Link to tweet

there is a design issue which made that software necessary

Also, the software could reset itself each time a pilot responded, seems like the software is punting because it doesn't know what to assume?

An "internal report, however, "understated the power of the new flight control system," "failed to account for how the system could reset itself each time a pilot responded," and rated the severity of a system failure as being at a level that "should have precluded activation of the system based on input from a single sensor."

https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-faa-told-of-possible-mcas-software-issues-in-737-max-plane-before-crash-report-2019-3

Regardless, I have no doubt the problems will be addressed, and while it is too easy to be Monday morning quarterbacks, from my understanding the FAA and BA were both well aware of the issues before it was released in 2017 I believe.

Appreciate your insigt

Correct it’s both

or will the pilots have to fly the plane when the problem occurs?

over lives

You go first.

let all of the anti-gummit people fly on those planes now that Boeing gave the ok.

Don't fix the problem, when the problem happens sirens are going to blow and lights flash so that the passengers have a few seconds to call their loved ones.

How about we let the crony capitalist Republicans fly on the Max 7 and 8's to test them out. The FAA and NTSB need not get involved now that Boeing has a "fix."

You have to pay extra to avoid being killed by the product you are purchasing

isn't this Boeing "fix" something like cars that have the feature of automatic braking systems when an object is too close in front of you. If the automatic braking system screws up and hits the accelerator instead of the brakes a bell will go off to alert the driver to spike the brakes.

That's the way I understand the Boeing fix, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

...are inherently unreliable and that has to be dealt with. People, AOA sensors are not mysteriously complicated. It's a ****ing weathervane stuck on the side of a plane. I don't see why these things can't be engineered to be as reliable as a brick wall.

(That said, I'm still fully onboard with the idea of having redundancy.)

Trump is the epitome of American CEO/Corporate Greed. A fine example of what today's corporate CEO really is and what they stand for.

We've all known corporations are more interested with their profits for themselves and their investors than safety or concern for people. Trump is their Golden Calf.

Sadly, he has shown us what American Corporate CEOs are really about. It's "all we can get from the public and government and damn everything else." Plus their corporate welfare subsidies while targeting SS, Medicare, Medicaid and other "Entitlements" (which are only greedy welfare for the masses!) . They can no longer hide behind petty charity donations and spun BS PR.

The real American terrorists, who are raping, stealing and killing Americans through greed and apathy are the CEOs and their investors.

Maybe we need to start a war on American Corporate Terrorism.