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spanone

(135,887 posts)
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 09:51 AM Apr 2019

Barr overstepped his authority and undermined the integrity of the Mueller investigation

By Michael Zeldin, CNN Legal Analyst

(CNN)US Attorney General William Barr's March 24 letter to Congress summarizing the principal conclusions reached by special counsel Robert Mueller appears to have gone well beyond what the special counsel regulations authorize.

On their own initiative, and with no apparent authority in the regulations, Barr and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein determined that the evidence that the special counsel provided was not sufficient to establish that President Donald Trump committed an obstruction of justice offense.

In his four-page letter, Barr explained that the special counsel's decision to describe the facts without reaching any legal conclusion left it to the Attorney General to determine whether the President's conduct constituted a crime.

Barr's action, however, appears to be in direct contravention of the letter and spirit of the special counsel regulations -- that is, to have a special counsel who is not a political appointee and who is independent of the Department of Justice make the decision whether to charge a crime.


https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/02/opinions/barr-overstepped-authority-undermined-mueller-investigation-zeldin/
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Barr overstepped his authority and undermined the integrity of the Mueller investigation (Original Post) spanone Apr 2019 OP
The Attorney General is part of the Executive Branch. kentuck Apr 2019 #1
+1, This point should go to the supreme court uponit7771 Apr 2019 #11
There is no separation of powers as far as the GOP is concerned, only in the onetexan Apr 2019 #13
That is the inherent flaw in the current special counsel scheme. Mueller and his prosecutors tritsofme Apr 2019 #16
Question. Can the House cut off all funding for his office and his office alone cstanleytech Apr 2019 #25
He was hired to bury the report Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #2
Ya think? Wounded Bear Apr 2019 #3
Correct is right malaise Apr 2019 #4
They don't seem too worried about it. Why should they? shockey80 Apr 2019 #5
+1, I agree ... impeachment is something that should be on the table irregardless of polling numbers uponit7771 Apr 2019 #10
Voting can't stop him? SlogginThroughIt Apr 2019 #18
Did voting stop him when Sec. Clinton actually won the 2016 election? DontBooVote Apr 2019 #19
Oh ok so what shpuld we do when the election comes round? Give up? SlogginThroughIt Apr 2019 #20
Sure, we can vote in another rigged election. I plan to do so and I am already doing GOTV work. DontBooVote Apr 2019 #24
I don't think we should be sowing despair. SlogginThroughIt Apr 2019 #31
I'm not advocating anything. I asked a question. And you don't have to tell me about DontBooVote Apr 2019 #32
Yeah we all do a lot of work to GOTV SlogginThroughIt Apr 2019 #33
Mueller laid the trap, knowing Barr would take the bait and spin it to the point of obstruction. Marcuse Apr 2019 #6
"...to have a special counsel who is not a political appointee" DirtEdonE Apr 2019 #7
+1, but we don't know if Mueller actually didn't make a decision. Since Barr isn't letting anyone .. uponit7771 Apr 2019 #9
Word. Mueller can complete/explain it live to the House Judiciary and Intellegence Committees. Marcuse Apr 2019 #12
K&R, the Mueller report had more credibility ... WITHOUT ... Barr's involvement 100% uponit7771 Apr 2019 #8
I think Barr shut down Mueller before he could issue a charging statement Botany Apr 2019 #14
I agree with all three of your points: Barr shut Mueller down, a cover-up is under way, and this DontBooVote Apr 2019 #21
What we are dealing with is the largest organized criminal operation in the history of the world ... Botany Apr 2019 #27
And we watch like it's one of tRump's TV shows, like it's a soap opera. It's extremely frustrating. DontBooVote Apr 2019 #29
Who are they supposed to consult with before bringing charges? Nt hughee99 Apr 2019 #15
The rep party owns the narrative Denis 11 Apr 2019 #17
Indeed. We always lose when we don't fight back. DontBooVote Apr 2019 #23
The dems/left have ignored hate radio for over three decades & still do. CrispyQ Apr 2019 #30
In other words... lame54 Apr 2019 #22
Also since a president can't be indicted it's immaterial whether there were charges or not. Kablooie Apr 2019 #26
But what about Hilary Clinton"s emails????!!!!!! Doodley Apr 2019 #28
Of Course Barr Did-That Was His Tacit Offer When He Auditioned For Trump dlk Apr 2019 #34

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
1. The Attorney General is part of the Executive Branch.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:26 AM
Apr 2019

They cannot investigate themselves and then declare themselves totally exonerated. It is the job of Congress to oversee the Executive Branch.

onetexan

(13,063 posts)
13. There is no separation of powers as far as the GOP is concerned, only in the
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 12:00 PM
Apr 2019

Democratic-controlled House. GOP are in deep cahoots w/ the Idiot and the coverup reeks of corruption and collusion. Between the AG. Senate & WH the lines have been blurred since the Idiot took office. We've been under 1-party rule since 2016. We need to take it back in 2020. We can do this if we don't eat our own and hang out to dry the best candidate we've got.

tritsofme

(17,403 posts)
16. That is the inherent flaw in the current special counsel scheme. Mueller and his prosecutors
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 12:09 PM
Apr 2019

were all executive branch employees who for all intents and purposes served at the pleasure of the president.

Congress should have always taken the lead, but the Republicans who ran both houses completely abdicated their responsibility.

cstanleytech

(26,322 posts)
25. Question. Can the House cut off all funding for his office and his office alone
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 12:46 PM
Apr 2019

and not the entire DOJ until the report is submitted? They do have the power of the purse after all.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
5. They don't seem too worried about it. Why should they?
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:33 AM
Apr 2019

Trump does what he wants and there is nothing that can stop him now except impeachment and that may never happen.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
10. +1, I agree ... impeachment is something that should be on the table irregardless of polling numbers
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:39 AM
Apr 2019

... seeing Red Don has a 24/7 mouthpiece in FAUX news to float his number by 7 - 15%

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
20. Oh ok so what shpuld we do when the election comes round? Give up?
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 12:36 PM
Apr 2019

I get feeling hopeless but let’s not act like there isn’t anything we can do.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
24. Sure, we can vote in another rigged election. I plan to do so and I am already doing GOTV work.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 12:41 PM
Apr 2019

And, once it's stolen from us again, then what?

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
31. I don't think we should be sowing despair.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 05:30 PM
Apr 2019

Our elections may very well be rigged, but we still need to enthusiastically and overwhelmingly vote in them.

What exactly are you advocating that we do in place of voting?

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
32. I'm not advocating anything. I asked a question. And you don't have to tell me about
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 06:27 PM
Apr 2019

" enthusiastically and overwhelmingly" voting in elections. Not only do I vote, but I help register voters as well as GOTV work, which we have been doing constantly since Feb 9, 2017 when the group (of which I am a charter member) was formed. We had several very satisfactory victories as a result, three other spin-off groups, several voter registrars/deputy registrars and, in spite of a couple of bitter losses, our numbers are improving with every new election cycle.

You're welcome.

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
33. Yeah we all do a lot of work to GOTV
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 06:32 PM
Apr 2019

I am not i to posting the work I do but it’s on par with what you have posted.

But what are you advocating people do? I don’t understand your message aside from the elections are rigged. I guess I myself am just tired of feeling depressed and in despair.

 

DirtEdonE

(1,220 posts)
7. "...to have a special counsel who is not a political appointee"
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:00 AM
Apr 2019

"...to have a special counsel who is not a political appointee and who is independent of the Department of Justice make the decision whether to charge a crime."

Well then, it appears mueller's failure to complete his duty to make the decision whether to charge a crime is in direct violation of the letter and spirit of the counsel regulations as well.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
9. +1, but we don't know if Mueller actually didn't make a decision. Since Barr isn't letting anyone ..
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:38 AM
Apr 2019

... see even a redacted portion of the Mueller report as of now I don't trust 1 letter of his "memo" that he claims him and Rosenstein wrote.

These things are simple and by now congress etc should at least have a solid date to see the whole report without the multitudes of crap taken out of it.

Marcuse

(7,520 posts)
12. Word. Mueller can complete/explain it live to the House Judiciary and Intellegence Committees.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:47 AM
Apr 2019

Then we can compare and contrast the Mueller report with the Barr report.

Botany

(70,589 posts)
14. I think Barr shut down Mueller before he could issue a charging statement
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 12:02 PM
Apr 2019

This is a criminal cover up of treason and a coup.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
21. I agree with all three of your points: Barr shut Mueller down, a cover-up is under way, and this
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 12:39 PM
Apr 2019

entire operation, from the beginning of tRump's run, has been a coup launched and coordinated by Vladimir Putin.

And we're just watching it happen while we wait for another chance to vote in what will be another stolen election, if there is an election at all.

Botany

(70,589 posts)
27. What we are dealing with is the largest organized criminal operation in the history of the world ...
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 12:50 PM
Apr 2019

... and the hacking of our elections (Russ Feingold was @ > 90% of winning) by Russia
and the cooperation and or silence by members of the Republican party and some of the
media is as big as the attack on Pearl Harbor, 9-11, or the lies that got us into Vietnam.

BTW it now turns out that Russian money was behind "The Apprentice" in order to sell the
false story that Trump was a big successful businessman and billionaire when in truth he
had failed @ many of his businesses and was being supported by money laundering and
Russian money.

And I might be wrong but I think Trump had help in the primaries from Russia then too.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
29. And we watch like it's one of tRump's TV shows, like it's a soap opera. It's extremely frustrating.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 01:01 PM
Apr 2019

Denis 11

(280 posts)
17. The rep party owns the narrative
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 12:12 PM
Apr 2019

We are always the loser when our slight wrongs are exaggerated and their grievous faults get excused .
I don't understand how this continues, and I don't see it changing anytime soon.

CrispyQ

(36,527 posts)
30. The dems/left have ignored hate radio for over three decades & still do.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 01:24 PM
Apr 2019

There are huge areas of the country where right wing hate is all that is on AM radio. "Oh, no one listens to AM radio anymore," the left says. But that's not true. Rural people use AM radio to get the latest on weather, crop reports, equipment and land sales in the area. All that's intermixed with the likes of Rush Limbaugh, who I believe gets something like 2-3 hours a day to rant against the dems/left/progressives. Fox News is just the evil spawn of hate radio.

The right comes up with "No Child Left Behind," & "Clean Skies, Healthy Forests," & "Killing Grandma." Doesn't matter that the names of the policies are deceptive, they catch the attention of the low info voters.

The dems are much better at policy than the GOP is, but they suck at politics. Our new crop of dems gives me some hope.

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
26. Also since a president can't be indicted it's immaterial whether there were charges or not.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 12:47 PM
Apr 2019

The info has to go to Congress to evaluate if the actions of the president rise to the impeachment standard.

It is completely clear that Barr is not supposed to hold onto the report and keep it from the Congress.

The whole reason it exists is to inform Congress.

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