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TexasTowelie

(112,250 posts)
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 08:27 AM Apr 2019

'I'm agnostic': Pelosi questions whether Medicare-for-all can deliver benefits of Obamacare

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi questioned whether a health-care proposal embraced by several Democratic presidential candidates would be too expensive and fail to provide the same coverage as the Affordable Care Act.

Instead, Pelosi (D-Calif.) suggested Thursday that she would rather build on the 2010 law and is yet to be convinced the Medicare-for-all proposal pushed by many liberals would achieve its purported goals.

“I’m agnostic. Show me how you think you can get there,” Pelosi said in an interview with The Washington Post. “We all share the value of health care for all Americans — quality, affordable health care for all Americans. What is the path to that? I think it’s the Affordable Care Act, and if that leads to Medicare-for-all, that may be the path.”

She also suggested that Medicare-for-all had become more of a buzzword among political activists in the run-up to the 2020 campaign, a loosely defined concept that few people understood in concrete terms.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/im-agnostic-pelosi-questions-whether-medicare-for-all-can-deliver-benefits-of-obamacare/2019/04/04/fe2942c0-56ed-11e9-aa83-504f086bf5d6_story.html

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'I'm agnostic': Pelosi questions whether Medicare-for-all can deliver benefits of Obamacare (Original Post) TexasTowelie Apr 2019 OP
Someone better get out there and start explaining the ''concrete terms''. YOHABLO Apr 2019 #1
Agree. Pelosi seems out of touch on this issue. ananda Apr 2019 #8
Show me how you think you can get there mcar Apr 2019 #2
I agree with this genxlib Apr 2019 #3
I share her concerns SlogginThroughIt Apr 2019 #4
This is where a Medicare/Medicaid buy-in option becomes the bullwinkle428 Apr 2019 #5
Extend existing Medicare Advantage to all...but just include it in ACA gulliver Apr 2019 #6
As usual, Pelosi is absolutly right. comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #7
It's lovely to be agnostic when you've got good insurance, area51 Apr 2019 #9
 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
1. Someone better get out there and start explaining the ''concrete terms''.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 09:04 AM
Apr 2019

There's nothing loose about it. We're being gouged literally to death by the cost of health care on all fronts.

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
3. I agree with this
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 09:13 AM
Apr 2019

Focus on the goal and envision a pathway that gets there.

I don't think there is a pathway for jumping directly to MfA. I think there will be too much resistance. People aren't crazy about their private insurance through employers but they are at least happy that it exists. Those are a lot of apple carts to turn over in a short period of time. If you thought the resistance to the ACA was high, you ain't seen nothing yet.

My vision with the ACA has always been that it needs to grow into MfA over time. We missed a critical opportunity for that when we lacked a public option in the pool. Here is the path that I see.

1) Offer buy-in to Medicare as an option on the ACA pool
2) It becomes super popular
3) Expand the buy-in to Medicare as an option to group buyers and employers.
4) Medicare grows as more and more people shift to it. Giving it time to grow organically and strengthening it with cash to balance its pool of patients.
5) Offer medicare to anyone who wants it as an opt-out for employer based insurance. In other words, I would have to be offered an MC option along side my employer sponsered Cigna, Anthem whatever. This is probably the most complicated step because it would undermine the purchasing power of the employers by hurting the size of the patient pool.
6) Insurance collapses under its own weight and Medicare for All is the standing system

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
4. I share her concerns
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 09:14 AM
Apr 2019

I already know that as I get older my medical bills are going to be high because of my personal medical condition. So medicare for all is something that I am very interested in. What I don’t appreciate is pie in the sky dreams turned into political theater. Yes we should be advocating and pushing like hell for quality affordable healthcare but we also need to put in real work developing a plan to make that happen with real solid funding plans and implementation plans that deal with the side effects that will come on the human side of change. I want to see real in depth plans not just a 4 sentence blurb on a campaign website.

We need to make this happen because if we campaign on it and don’t deliver that will be disastrous.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
5. This is where a Medicare/Medicaid buy-in option becomes the
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 09:16 AM
Apr 2019

obvious alternative. Nothing is getting taken away from anyone, and it simply becomes an additional choice.

gulliver

(13,186 posts)
6. Extend existing Medicare Advantage to all...but just include it in ACA
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 09:17 AM
Apr 2019

Medicare Advantage fits better with the ACA model and is, overall, a lot better than just giving everyone Medicare. Medicare Advantage plans (Medicare underneath a standard health care plan) have out-of-pocket limits and no lifetime maximums. So you could just make sure everyone has access to Medicare (Medicare for all) but add Medicare Advantage plans to the ACA for its subsidies and standards. (It may already allow them. I'm not sure.)

Take it a step further though and add a public option for Medicare Advantage plans.

Calling it Medicare for all is the equivalent of a boxer leading with their nose. We don't call our roads "roads for all." The "for all" stuff sounds bad. It sounds like I lose control and am forced to accept some one-size-fits-all health care.

comradebillyboy

(10,154 posts)
7. As usual, Pelosi is absolutly right.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 09:28 AM
Apr 2019

MFA is little more than a slogan with none of its advocate giving a believable plan to get it accomplished.

area51

(11,910 posts)
9. It's lovely to be agnostic when you've got good insurance,
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 11:50 AM
Apr 2019

that the average person will never have access to. Pelosi needs to speak to relatives of people who have died due to lack of healthcare and try to develop some compassion. This PNHP page has info on the Medicare for All Act.

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