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HipChick

(25,485 posts)
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 12:52 PM Apr 2019

Family Finds Hidden Camera Livestreaming From Their Airbnb in Ireland...

After arriving at their Airbnb in Cork, Ireland, a family from New Zealand made an unsettling discovery: a hidden camera, livestreaming from the living room


Nealie and Andrew Barker, from Auckland, were in the midst of a 14-month trip around Europe when they arrived at the Airbnb property with their four children and niece.

Once the family had unpacked, Andrew Barker, who works in IT security, scanned the house’s Wi-Fi network.

The scan unearthed a camera, and subsequently a live feed. From the angle of the video, the family tracked down the camera, concealed in what appeared to be a smoke alarm or carbon monoxide detector.

“It was such a shock. It was just a really horrible feeling,” Nealie Barker told CNN.

She called Airbnb to report the camera. “They had no advice for us over the phone,” she said. “The girl just said that if you cancel within 14 days, you won’t get your money back.”

Next, Andrew Barker called the owner of the property. When confronted with the family’s discovery, Nealie Barker said, the host hung up. Later, he called back, insisting the camera in the living room was the only one in the house.

“We didn’t feel relieved by that,” she said, adding that the host refused to confirm whether he was recording the livestream, or capturing audio.

The family relocated to a nearby hotel and called Airbnb the following day. “They still didn’t seem to grasp the seriousness of the issue. They were treating it like a canceled booking,” Nealie Barker said. Ultimately, Airbnb’s trust and safety team promised to conduct an investigation, and it temporarily suspended the listing.

According to Nealie Barker, Airbnb did not contact the family again. After she got through to them two weeks later, the company told her that the host had been “exonerated,” and the listing reinstated.

It was only after she posted about the incident on Facebook and local New Zealand news stations reported her experience that the host was permanently banned, she said.

In a statement, Airbnb told CNN: “The safety and privacy of our community — both online and offline — is our priority. Airbnb policies strictly prohibit hidden cameras in listings and we take reports of any violations extremely seriously. We have permanently removed this bad actor from our platform.”

“Our original handling of this incident did not meet the high standards we set for ourselves, and we have apologized to the family and fully refunded their stay. There have been over half a billion guest arrivals in Airbnb listings to date and negative incidents are incredibly rare.”

Aoife Mullen, communications manager for Ireland’s Data Protection Commission, told CNN that the commission was “aware of the issue,” adding, “we will be seeking further information from Airbnb on the matter.”

The Barker family is currently in Budapest, where, Nealie Barker said, “We’re staying in an Airbnb right now.”

“We’ve become much more cautious now,” she said, advising other travelers to learn how to scan networks for hidden cameras. “We think people need to realize that the travel market is largely unregulated and if you would take issue with being filmed, then you need to take all steps properly.”

https://ktla.com/2019/04/05/a-really-horrible-feeling-family-finds-hidden-camera-livestreaming-from-their-airbnb-in-ireland/

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Family Finds Hidden Camera Livestreaming From Their Airbnb in Ireland... (Original Post) HipChick Apr 2019 OP
When my daughter lived in London and traveled through Europe, she took detection devices with her. TheBlackAdder Apr 2019 #1
Geez.. I guess I have to add these tools to my "bed-bug detector" kit.... hlthe2b Apr 2019 #5
Number one place for bedbugs... movie theaters. It's dark and you're a captive audience. TheBlackAdder Apr 2019 #11
Oh, yeah... I have it down. And, just in case, my suitcase (sans anything heat-sensitive) hlthe2b Apr 2019 #14
So how to protect against them then? pnwmom Apr 2019 #20
You must be vigilent. I have DE powered under the bed, sofas, wall outlets, basement, etc. TheBlackAdder Apr 2019 #38
Thanks. I do look for them in hotel rooms, especially mattresses. But movie theaters? pnwmom Apr 2019 #39
What's a jax? nt Laffy Kat Apr 2019 #30
Luggage stand. In restaurants they are called jax. Apparently not in hotels. It must be a NJ thing. TheBlackAdder Apr 2019 #37
That's what I thought you meant. Thanks. nt Laffy Kat Apr 2019 #43
That's a really good idea. 2naSalit Apr 2019 #6
They have several different types, but I think both were under $60. Good for public bathrooms too. TheBlackAdder Apr 2019 #8
Cool, thank you! 2naSalit Apr 2019 #10
Thank you for the info dixiegrrrrl Apr 2019 #12
Are those expensive? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Apr 2019 #13
$59.99 and there are cheaper ones on eBay & Amazon. TheBlackAdder Apr 2019 #41
did you ever find anything? nt barbtries Apr 2019 #24
She only used it a few times, and didn't find anything. It's somewhere in her room. TheBlackAdder Apr 2019 #40
Just watched a movie about this, "Welcome Home" with Aaron Paul (Breaking Bad). dewsgirl Apr 2019 #2
I'm glad they finally got the badseed outta there MagickMuffin Apr 2019 #3
I'd bet this is far more prevalent than realized... hlthe2b Apr 2019 #4
Why list your house as an AirBnB if you think something will be stolen? lunatica Apr 2019 #7
No, Air BnB does not vet customers. That's the job of the host Merlot Apr 2019 #15
Thanks! lunatica Apr 2019 #16
$17 on Amazon solves the issue ksoze Apr 2019 #9
Thanks for the link! geardaddy Apr 2019 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMother4Peace Apr 2019 #17
A 14 month trip with their children and niece. RedSpartan Apr 2019 #18
Does not mean anything...her hubby could be working remotely... HipChick Apr 2019 #32
I have no interest in ever staying in an Airbnb. Tipperary Apr 2019 #19
You 'n' me both (n/t) PJMcK Apr 2019 #27
Sooooooo... angrychair Apr 2019 #21
I think the guy who rented it out was pervy... robbob Apr 2019 #31
I know someone who works in the hotel biz. Her company loathes AirBnb. progressoid Apr 2019 #23
You know, there are lots (LOTS) of nice REGULAR B&Bs in Ireland. LisaM Apr 2019 #25
Yes. Airbnb Has a Hidden-Camera Problem! FM123 Apr 2019 #26
Holla to the exhibitionists..... luvallpeeps Apr 2019 #28
you know....... we have security cams all around our house and i have aften thought... samnsara Apr 2019 #29
Kicking, so I can come back and use the information provided. Dem2theMax Apr 2019 #33
Bookmark it... HipChick Apr 2019 #34
I use three different browsers on my phone, Dem2theMax Apr 2019 #36
I am staying 3 months in Ireland this summer marlakay Apr 2019 #35
I pity the guy who sees me at an Air B n B! GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #42
There was some news in California about some airbnb having a camera above the bed JI7 Apr 2019 #44

TheBlackAdder

(28,208 posts)
1. When my daughter lived in London and traveled through Europe, she took detection devices with her.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 01:05 PM
Apr 2019

.

We got a RF detector and a CCD camera detector from Brickhouse Security.

The RF detector can be set to audible, audible with light, or light, and/or vibration. So you can scan a room without making noise. The CCD detector is a small device you old up to your eye as you look around the room, any camera will flash red. I got them for her, for just these reasons--you never know.

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hlthe2b

(102,291 posts)
5. Geez.. I guess I have to add these tools to my "bed-bug detector" kit....
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 01:10 PM
Apr 2019

Pretty soon, I won't even have room for the toothbrush... sigh

TheBlackAdder

(28,208 posts)
11. Number one place for bedbugs... movie theaters. It's dark and you're a captive audience.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 01:16 PM
Apr 2019

.

Diatomaceous Earth is great for any type of insect.

Always keep your suitcase in the bathroom with the light on, positioned on a jax.

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hlthe2b

(102,291 posts)
14. Oh, yeah... I have it down. And, just in case, my suitcase (sans anything heat-sensitive)
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 01:18 PM
Apr 2019

sits in the back/trunk of my car in summer heat for several days upon return, whenever possible, to kill anything that might have gotten through.

TheBlackAdder

(28,208 posts)
38. You must be vigilent. I have DE powered under the bed, sofas, wall outlets, basement, etc.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 08:30 PM
Apr 2019

.

You just have to know when you are traveling, visit bedbugregistry.com and a couple of other bedbug sites for reports of infestations. You would be surprised how many name brand hotels have outbreaks. I like more rural Hampton Inns because they are not close to transient travelers in airports and seem to run a clean ship. With coupons and their HHonors card, you can get really good prices. Stay away from places with a lot of international travelers.

Bed bugs like darkness, so I keep the suitcase in the lit bathroom and close the door. I always travel with a couple of garbage bags to put the used clothes into. It not only keeps your other fresh clothes from getting a musty smell, but if BBs are on your clothes, it prevents them from spreading. Like hlthe2b mentions, keep the suitcase in a car or black plastic bag in the sun. It needs to get to 120-140 degrees for at least 4 hours. The longer the better. Then, everything in the wash, and the suitcase dusted with DE until the next time it is used, then vacuumed out. This way, if any critters are in the suitcase, the DE will get them.


Just a very light dusting is enough to kill almost any insect.


DE kills soft bodied insects like bedbugs and house centipedes by cutting their skin and they dehydrate.

DE kills hard exoskeleton insects (spiders, fleas, ticks, ants, etc.) by getting in mandibles and joints and in a couple of days they die.

I bought bulk food grade DE at diatomaceousearth.net (sorry for the plug) but they have a really nice green JT Eaton duster. DE can be used to de-worm animals, and we used it on livestock. Since it is food grade, you can cook with it and it adds calcium to food. It has the consistency of fine flour, and you can tell it will dry out a bedbug, because if you handle it, you lose all of the oils on your skin. I bought each family member a 20lb. box with their own duster. That box is no longer available, but 10 lbs lasts a couple of years.


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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
39. Thanks. I do look for them in hotel rooms, especially mattresses. But movie theaters?
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 08:37 PM
Apr 2019

What are we supposed to do there, in the dark?

TheBlackAdder

(28,208 posts)
8. They have several different types, but I think both were under $60. Good for public bathrooms too.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 01:13 PM
Apr 2019

.

That's combined cost. There are more expensive ones, but these seemed adequate and pass through customs.

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dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
2. Just watched a movie about this, "Welcome Home" with Aaron Paul (Breaking Bad).
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 01:07 PM
Apr 2019

I've heard of pay websites where people actually watch these live streams. Crazy scary.

MagickMuffin

(15,943 posts)
3. I'm glad they finally got the badseed outta there
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 01:07 PM
Apr 2019

I'm also glad that the Barker family are teaching how to scan for networks for hidden cameras. Everyone should know about this for their own privacy and security measures.

hlthe2b

(102,291 posts)
4. I'd bet this is far more prevalent than realized...
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 01:07 PM
Apr 2019

from homeowners wanting to monitor for vandalism (or who use that excuse to justify their perverted "peeping&quot

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
7. Why list your house as an AirBnB if you think something will be stolen?
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 01:12 PM
Apr 2019

Or even if you’ve had experience with it being trashed? Doesn’t Airbnb vet customers?

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
15. No, Air BnB does not vet customers. That's the job of the host
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 01:19 PM
Apr 2019

of the property. It's easy with people who have good reviews from other hosts, first timers without reviews aren't vetted by anyone.

Response to HipChick (Original post)

RedSpartan

(1,693 posts)
18. A 14 month trip with their children and niece.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 01:53 PM
Apr 2019

Here in America -- Greatest. Country. Ever! -- you're lucky to get 14 DAYS of vacation a year. And most people don't even take it, but instead have to use it for sick days or when daycare is closed.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
32. Does not mean anything...her hubby could be working remotely...
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 04:45 PM
Apr 2019

I worked remote for over a decade, could visit any part of the world...just needed an internet connection..

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
23. I know someone who works in the hotel biz. Her company loathes AirBnb.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 03:05 PM
Apr 2019

Her company has to follow tons of regulations for public safety that Airbnb isn't required to.

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
29. you know....... we have security cams all around our house and i have aften thought...
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 03:50 PM
Apr 2019

...what if there are security cams in new built homes? In hotel rooms? They can be ANYWHERE! Im not being paranoid but they are so small now and easily hidden and wow the white house better have a rally good exterminator to get rid of the bugs and cams after the trashy trump gang leaves.

Dem2theMax

(9,651 posts)
36. I use three different browsers on my phone,
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 06:26 PM
Apr 2019

and I can never find anything on here. I'm old school, very large desktop computer sitting in another room. Too lazy to go turn it on. LOL.

marlakay

(11,473 posts)
35. I am staying 3 months in Ireland this summer
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 06:07 PM
Apr 2019

So read this thoroughly but I am not staying at Airbnb’s because I read Ireland is changing the rules for them starting in May and a lot of people may loose their reservations.

All the regular B & B’s and small hotels I will be in have good reviews. I did look up the link on Amazon and will think about it, I am just taking a small backpack because of not renting a car so the thought of another plug and charger doesn’t thrill me.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
42. I pity the guy who sees me at an Air B n B!
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 09:09 PM
Apr 2019

I use them or Trip Advisor homes when traveling overseas. Have never had a bad experience.

But I guess if someone gets their jollies from watching a middle aged white guy with a keg abdomen, have at it! It would not be attractive! Believe me, I know cause I have a mirror in the house!

Can’t believe this is too common but I hope the person placing the camera is prosecuted.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
44. There was some news in California about some airbnb having a camera above the bed
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 03:25 AM
Apr 2019

i think somewhere in southern california.

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