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"I feel white men have done alot for this country and this legislature" (Original Post) pepperbear Apr 2019 OP
Slavery. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #1
"White Men" did not invent any of those things. N/t Triloon Apr 2019 #9
I did not make that claim. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #10
Yes, and so has everyone else. Triloon Apr 2019 #11
"Yes, and so has everyone else" ? whathehell Apr 2019 #16
"Women and People of Color Oppressed themselves" MosheFeingold Apr 2019 #19
Um, given that such oppression wasn't started by them or for them, whathehell Apr 2019 #25
"that their overlords brought in a few to assist in the overlord's tasks" MosheFeingold Apr 2019 #31
Oh, well that makes it all right then... Aristus Apr 2019 #17
It makes stereotyping 'white men' just as ignorant and destructive Triloon Apr 2019 #21
You're new here. And in a time of rampant, violent white nationalism Aristus Apr 2019 #23
It only looks like I'm new here, been around a long time. Triloon Apr 2019 #29
The oppression of the white male is so very historical, valid and relevant... LanternWaste Apr 2019 #24
That was a very artful put-down. Triloon Apr 2019 #32
The white, Protestant, male took that shit to a whole new level Drahthaardogs Apr 2019 #36
That is just.... SlogginThroughIt Apr 2019 #2
Strange reason ExciteBike66 Apr 2019 #3
It's a hell of a non sequitur. LuvNewcastle Apr 2019 #8
That's what I got out of this to. MosheFeingold Apr 2019 #20
Republican women like this is WHY I vote Democrat....... ProudMNDemocrat Apr 2019 #4
Is she willing to give up 35% or more of her salary since she believes men deserve more? LonePirate Apr 2019 #5
If "white men have done a lot for this country and this legislature," mightn't that be because The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #6
+1 happybird Apr 2019 #28
"other people have done great things, and i share their skin pigmentation, so gimme more monayy!" unblock Apr 2019 #7
Being for uplifting someone does not mean being "against" someone else. It just means equal dameatball Apr 2019 #12
Equality is apparently a very foreign concept... skypilot Apr 2019 #30
without a woman, none of these "white" men would have existed DBoon Apr 2019 #13
Ugh. ismnotwasm Apr 2019 #14
She needs to resign so she can be replaced by a white guy. NightWatcher Apr 2019 #15
I have no words. Laffy Kat Apr 2019 #18
And what have women done? Well...they've given birth to every one of those white men. MineralMan Apr 2019 #22
What the hell does that have to do with Equal Pay? walkingman Apr 2019 #26
Talibornagain Jihadette superpatriotman Apr 2019 #27
Stupid woman. facepalm CrispyQ Apr 2019 #33
Who cares what a woman says. hunter Apr 2019 #34
Ok then cut her pay by what black/hispanic/native women get paid +/- 61 cents for every 1.00 RestoreAmerica2020 Apr 2019 #35

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
16. "Yes, and so has everyone else" ?
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:09 PM
Apr 2019

So women and people of color oppressed themselves?

You might want to re-think that one.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
19. "Women and People of Color Oppressed themselves"
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:40 PM
Apr 2019

Yeah, they do. Just for example:

The nastiest enforcers of female Islamic dress codes in Iran are women.

There are more Africans enslaved now that at any time in history -- and they are enslaved by Africans. Indeed, the people who captured and traded slaves -- when white men showed up and bought them -- were Africans.

No sex or race is particularly worse in this regard. Heck, the word "slave" is from "Slav" -- as in Slavic -- because of their history of being enslaved.

Strong people oppress weak people. Period.

It doesn't matter what race, creed, color, or sex.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
25. Um, given that such oppression wasn't started by them or for them,
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:54 PM
Apr 2019

the fact that their overlords brought in a few to assist in the overlord's tasks doesn't change that situation.

Even the Nazi death camps used Jewish overseers or "kapos" to supervise the labor of other Jews in the camp. That said, I doubt this would cause you to label them collaborators in the Holocaust.

P.S. The idea that "Slav" and "Slavic" drive from the word "slave" as a descriptors of their historic status is a myth.

https://www.rbth.com/arts/history/2017/07/17/myths-of-russian-history-does-the-word-slavs-derive-from-the-word-slave_804967

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
31. "that their overlords brought in a few to assist in the overlord's tasks"
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:19 PM
Apr 2019

That's not remotely the true in the case of enslavement of Africans.

Powerful Africans were enslaving other Africans long before the Western slave trade started (as is still happening).

"All" (as if that was not enough) that happened is white inter-continental sailors showed up at existing markets and participated.

And it is still going on today.

Triloon

(506 posts)
21. It makes stereotyping 'white men' just as ignorant and destructive
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:33 PM
Apr 2019

as stereotyping any other peoples. This is elementary stuff, why is it so hard.

Aristus

(66,380 posts)
23. You're new here. And in a time of rampant, violent white nationalism
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:43 PM
Apr 2019

with racists, bigots, and malcontents shooting up schools, movie theaters, parks, concerts, and churches, it's nice to know someone is sticking up for the white guys.

Who knew they were so oppressed by minorities?

Triloon

(506 posts)
29. It only looks like I'm new here, been around a long time.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:14 PM
Apr 2019

I am as opposed to the things you mention as anyone, and I also know that bigotry is self-destructive. Why tear a page from the oppressors handbook and indulge in stereotyping an entire people? Because it is easy? that's not good enough. If we want to eradicate bigotry then it *all* has to be eradicated. All of it. Let's continue moving towards that instead of perpetuating racial myths.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
24. The oppression of the white male is so very historical, valid and relevant...
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:51 PM
Apr 2019

I understand your defensive posture in witnessing the white male losing even more power than he already had, exploited and abused to his own advantage over that of everyone else.

Bless your heart. It's tough creating, manufacturing and finally, hanging from a cross of one's own imaginings.

Triloon

(506 posts)
32. That was a very artful put-down.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:48 PM
Apr 2019

Do you call that "counter-punching", or "payback", or is it some perversion of Karma? Do you also believe that 'white men' are the people responsible for slavery, bigotry, misogyny, and capitalism in this world, as stated earlier?
It is possible that you do think so. Well I don't, and I'll try to name and uproot bigotry wherever it shows up. And that is part of this white man taking responsibility for bigotry in his world.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
36. The white, Protestant, male took that shit to a whole new level
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 04:10 PM
Apr 2019

Romans had slaves. The Spaniards in New Spain had slaves. NOBODY took it to the level of the white, Anglo Saxons who moved here. What they praticed was beyond.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
8. It's a hell of a non sequitur.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:46 AM
Apr 2019

It's like saying 'I love my dog, so I'm going to have tacos for lunch today.'

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
4. Republican women like this is WHY I vote Democrat.......
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:41 AM
Apr 2019

Nothing like sounding like a Stepford wife who puts her fate in control of men. These women have been brainwashed into thinking that they should be appreciative of the scraps they are given from the men at the table after all the pickings have been allotted.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
6. If "white men have done a lot for this country and this legislature," mightn't that be because
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:44 AM
Apr 2019

for most of our history, only white men have had the opportunity to do it?

She's an idiot.

unblock

(52,243 posts)
7. "other people have done great things, and i share their skin pigmentation, so gimme more monayy!"
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:45 AM
Apr 2019

"and if anyone who isn't pink has done something great, i'm not aware of it."

dameatball

(7,398 posts)
12. Being for uplifting someone does not mean being "against" someone else. It just means equal
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:03 PM
Apr 2019

reward for equal effort.


skypilot

(8,854 posts)
30. Equality is apparently a very foreign concept...
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:15 PM
Apr 2019

...to these people and this is just a bit of the proof of that.

DBoon

(22,366 posts)
13. without a woman, none of these "white" men would have existed
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:03 PM
Apr 2019

So why aren't women worth at least the same pay as men?

ismnotwasm

(41,986 posts)
14. Ugh.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:06 PM
Apr 2019

There are far too many people like this. Not only lacking in logic, but immersed in racism and sexism. I mean, like, they take a racist sexist bath and use racist sexist soap every morning. Sure doesn't get them clean.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
15. She needs to resign so she can be replaced by a white guy.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:06 PM
Apr 2019

If she pauses even a second before doing this, she's a hypocrite.

Repukes are antisocial assholes who need to evolve and catch up with the rest of humanity.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
22. And what have women done? Well...they've given birth to every one of those white men.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:39 PM
Apr 2019

That's what. They've raised them from infancy. None of those white men would even exist without a woman.

And that's why some men are so negative toward women. They owe women their very lives, and it's a debt they don't want to pay.

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
33. Stupid woman. facepalm
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:49 PM
Apr 2019

As our species stands on an ecological brink, rich (mostly) white men still think they are superior & should be in charge. And so do the brainwashed.

RestoreAmerica2020

(3,435 posts)
35. Ok then cut her pay by what black/hispanic/native women get paid +/- 61 cents for every 1.00
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:32 PM
Apr 2019

....earned by white males! I wish someone would ask her ...so we'd have your permission to cut ypur congressional pay by approx 30% which will impact your pension, retirement, 401k, ss# other benefits; health care options, purchasing/investment power;mobility options.

How embarrasing that she devalued herself in that manner, forum. Women, more sifnificantly women of color, live this justice everyday in every aspect of our society.

Excerpt... Apr 2, 2019 · As it stands, black women earn $0.61 for every dollar earned by their white male counterparts. ... that in order for the pay gap to close for women of color, ...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/04/10/today-isnt-equal-pay-day-for-black-latina-or-native-american-women.html&ved=2ahUKEwi7-q6kncbhAhVG_J4KHVplBS0QFjAFegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw14dCvbyEClZ3FWw7VOGus3&ampcf=1

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