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Senator Vicki Marble (R-CO) votes against equal pay resolution
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/female-us-senator-votes-against-equal-pay-resolution-because-white-men-have-done-a-lot?fbclid=IwAR1rz1yQNc4seqfXEDWU5KJ9DoTO9nQb7vDfHWuHas3CrWrymYSVfyvGsoM
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"I just can't take part in something that is so focused against a white man because frankly I feel white men have done a lot for this country and this legislature."
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guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Racism.
Misogyny.
Capitalism.
Yes, they have done so much.
Triloon
(506 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But white men used all of these things in pursuit of power.
Triloon
(506 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)So women and people of color oppressed themselves?
You might want to re-think that one.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Yeah, they do. Just for example:
The nastiest enforcers of female Islamic dress codes in Iran are women.
There are more Africans enslaved now that at any time in history -- and they are enslaved by Africans. Indeed, the people who captured and traded slaves -- when white men showed up and bought them -- were Africans.
No sex or race is particularly worse in this regard. Heck, the word "slave" is from "Slav" -- as in Slavic -- because of their history of being enslaved.
Strong people oppress weak people. Period.
It doesn't matter what race, creed, color, or sex.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)the fact that their overlords brought in a few to assist in the overlord's tasks doesn't change that situation.
Even the Nazi death camps used Jewish overseers or "kapos" to supervise the labor of other Jews in the camp. That said, I doubt this would cause you to label them collaborators in the Holocaust.
P.S. The idea that "Slav" and "Slavic" drive from the word "slave" as a descriptors of their historic status is a myth.
https://www.rbth.com/arts/history/2017/07/17/myths-of-russian-history-does-the-word-slavs-derive-from-the-word-slave_804967
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)That's not remotely the true in the case of enslavement of Africans.
Powerful Africans were enslaving other Africans long before the Western slave trade started (as is still happening).
"All" (as if that was not enough) that happened is white inter-continental sailors showed up at existing markets and participated.
And it is still going on today.
Aristus
(66,380 posts)Triloon
(506 posts)as stereotyping any other peoples. This is elementary stuff, why is it so hard.
Aristus
(66,380 posts)with racists, bigots, and malcontents shooting up schools, movie theaters, parks, concerts, and churches, it's nice to know someone is sticking up for the white guys.
Who knew they were so oppressed by minorities?
Triloon
(506 posts)I am as opposed to the things you mention as anyone, and I also know that bigotry is self-destructive. Why tear a page from the oppressors handbook and indulge in stereotyping an entire people? Because it is easy? that's not good enough. If we want to eradicate bigotry then it *all* has to be eradicated. All of it. Let's continue moving towards that instead of perpetuating racial myths.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I understand your defensive posture in witnessing the white male losing even more power than he already had, exploited and abused to his own advantage over that of everyone else.
Bless your heart. It's tough creating, manufacturing and finally, hanging from a cross of one's own imaginings.
Triloon
(506 posts)Do you call that "counter-punching", or "payback", or is it some perversion of Karma? Do you also believe that 'white men' are the people responsible for slavery, bigotry, misogyny, and capitalism in this world, as stated earlier?
It is possible that you do think so. Well I don't, and I'll try to name and uproot bigotry wherever it shows up. And that is part of this white man taking responsibility for bigotry in his world.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Romans had slaves. The Spaniards in New Spain had slaves. NOBODY took it to the level of the white, Anglo Saxons who moved here. What they praticed was beyond.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)Unfuckingbelievable.
ExciteBike66
(2,358 posts)even if white men have done some good stuff, why is that an argument against equal pay?
LuvNewcastle
(16,846 posts)It's like saying 'I love my dog, so I'm going to have tacos for lunch today.'
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Kind of a "price of tea in China" thing.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)Nothing like sounding like a Stepford wife who puts her fate in control of men. These women have been brainwashed into thinking that they should be appreciative of the scraps they are given from the men at the table after all the pickings have been allotted.
LonePirate
(13,424 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)for most of our history, only white men have had the opportunity to do it?
She's an idiot.
happybird
(4,608 posts)unblock
(52,243 posts)"and if anyone who isn't pink has done something great, i'm not aware of it."
dameatball
(7,398 posts)reward for equal effort.
skypilot
(8,854 posts)...to these people and this is just a bit of the proof of that.
DBoon
(22,366 posts)So why aren't women worth at least the same pay as men?
ismnotwasm
(41,986 posts)There are far too many people like this. Not only lacking in logic, but immersed in racism and sexism. I mean, like, they take a racist sexist bath and use racist sexist soap every morning. Sure doesn't get them clean.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)If she pauses even a second before doing this, she's a hypocrite.
Repukes are antisocial assholes who need to evolve and catch up with the rest of humanity.
Laffy Kat
(16,382 posts)I hope this comes back to bite her in the ass big time.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)That's what. They've raised them from infancy. None of those white men would even exist without a woman.
And that's why some men are so negative toward women. They owe women their very lives, and it's a debt they don't want to pay.
walkingman
(7,620 posts)superpatriotman
(6,249 posts)nt
CrispyQ
(36,470 posts)As our species stands on an ecological brink, rich (mostly) white men still think they are superior & should be in charge. And so do the brainwashed.
hunter
(38,315 posts)Shouldn't she be at home doing her husband's laundry or something?
RestoreAmerica2020
(3,435 posts)....earned by white males! I wish someone would ask her ...so we'd have your permission to cut ypur congressional pay by approx 30% which will impact your pension, retirement, 401k, ss# other benefits; health care options, purchasing/investment power;mobility options.
How embarrasing that she devalued herself in that manner, forum. Women, more sifnificantly women of color, live this justice everyday in every aspect of our society.
Excerpt... Apr 2, 2019 · As it stands, black women earn $0.61 for every dollar earned by their white male counterparts. ... that in order for the pay gap to close for women of color, ...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/04/10/today-isnt-equal-pay-day-for-black-latina-or-native-american-women.html&ved=2ahUKEwi7-q6kncbhAhVG_J4KHVplBS0QFjAFegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw14dCvbyEClZ3FWw7VOGus3&cf=1