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tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:19 PM Apr 2019

" I'm still a trump fan"

I just saw a segment on Craig Melvin about a Trump fan disappointed with her tax return which was half of what it used to be. She acknowledged that she felt Trump misled people about tax cuts helping the middle class. She said she believes "he doesn't want to show his taxes because he doesn't pay taxes while we are paying everything" . This is a woman with kidney disease who is on dialysis awaiting a kidney transplant but still said she was a Trump fan.

I am so confused. I am confused by these type of Trump fans. As a person of color, I can only conclude. You are a racist. You like his racist ideologies. If he is not making your life better economically what are you fan of? He lacks moral leadership, so I doubt that's it. He's a joke on the international stage.

I am especially confused by this person who has kidney disease, a pre-existing condition and Trump trying to tear down the ACA. I am befuddled about what she is a fan of?

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" I'm still a trump fan" (Original Post) tulipsandroses Apr 2019 OP
'He hates the same people I hate'. Aristus Apr 2019 #1
That and durablend Apr 2019 #2
Ah, but don't forget that the libs RVN VET71 Apr 2019 #34
That is it in a nutshell. A HERETIC I AM Apr 2019 #8
We have a winner. This is exactly right. Bleacher Creature Apr 2019 #26
Let her be racist and die of renal failure, then. java108 Apr 2019 #3
I second that. 47of74 Apr 2019 #18
Other than Renal failure this person has another disease......stupidity. Left-over Apr 2019 #25
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Crunchy Frog Apr 2019 #39
Utter stupidity! She's a fucking uneducated and racist dumbass! Simple really. DontBooVote Apr 2019 #4
Yes, this kind of person confuses me too. FM123 Apr 2019 #5
She is probably a religious conservative get the red out Apr 2019 #6
Lots of Christian churches are preaching Mariana Apr 2019 #12
They're likening Trump to King Cyrus TrogL Apr 2019 #23
King Cyrus, and various other Bible heroes. Mariana Apr 2019 #40
That is truly frightening TrogL Apr 2019 #43
Yes, and it explains the fervency with which so many of his supporters Mariana Apr 2019 #45
If she was white, you have the first clue. Hassler Apr 2019 #7
Not all misogynists are men. Not all white supremacists are white . . Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #24
She hates more than she cares about herself. redstatebluegirl Apr 2019 #9
He could lose part of his cult Cold War Spook Apr 2019 #10
So there you have it. She would rather die than lose her Fuhrer. Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #11
To paraphrase Captain Kirk atreides1 Apr 2019 #22
Alternatively: Someone get this man a gun Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #28
I am befuddled about what she is a fan of? Dan Apr 2019 #13
Ignorance and stupidity. BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #16
Support of Nazism in Germany not fooled Apr 2019 #14
I lived in Germany for a good portion of my life, this is exactly what it looks like. Nazi supporter uponit7771 Apr 2019 #38
"Yes, mistakes were made. But I'm sure Der Fuhrer didn't always know what was happening!" struggle4progress Apr 2019 #47
It's not about issues. It is about imprinted personality traits. Midnight Writer Apr 2019 #15
I conclude as you do. Racism!! allgood33 Apr 2019 #17
I would give my organs to a black or a Mexican 47of74 Apr 2019 #21
That 46% of the electorate that put him in office isn't going anywhere. bullwinkle428 Apr 2019 #19
That is still, minus one tragic exception, a very beatable John Fante Apr 2019 #29
Daily cognitive dissonance srobertss Apr 2019 #20
True Story HopeAgain Apr 2019 #27
I call em pride voters; they have so much invested into being right about someone they wont ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #37
I saw her, too. What impressed me was her making excuses for the moron. "I guess he Karadeniz Apr 2019 #30
The LBJ Quote was posted prominently here at DU, somewhere. Collimator Apr 2019 #31
Democrats don't realize how much values and perceptions play into a vote. marylandblue Apr 2019 #32
Lots of people jumping to conclusions about her in this thread lostnfound Apr 2019 #33
She Outlined That... jayfish Apr 2019 #36
Regarding the ACA Red Don's fans live on another planet, they thank ACA is Muslim or some shit ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #35
They keep themselves misinformed. Mariana Apr 2019 #41
white populism ie Trump not Trumpy enough for her radius777 Apr 2019 #42
Hate is a powerful drug. sarcasmo Apr 2019 #44
Racism is the uniting thread across Trump supporters Bradical79 Apr 2019 #46

RVN VET71

(2,692 posts)
34. Ah, but don't forget that the libs
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:31 PM
Apr 2019

are blacks, jews, latinos, asians, muslims, the entire population of non-heterosexual humans . . .so, yeah, this lady with the smallest refund ever is probably a racist and trusts Trump to lead America back to the whiteness the Founders intended.

She accepts the suffering Trump lays on her because of the, in her eyes, "greater good" that he is doing.

We cannot hope to convince people like her that the damage Trump and his "best people" are doing to America will ultimately destroy everything at the heart of the Founders actual vision. All we can do is out-vote her and her people, out-vote them in such numbers that even the fascist games her political leaders play with the vote will be insufficient to quiet our voice. Once we've done that, frauds and fascists like Trump and the GOP will be reduced to sideline whispering, whispering among themselves, with no effect on the body politic or on America's genuine ideals.

2020 is our last chance. I don't care who the Dems nominate, I will vote against the monsters on the Right. A "no" vote in 2020 is a vote for fascism, racism, and ignorance. MAGA indeed!

A HERETIC I AM

(24,370 posts)
8. That is it in a nutshell.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:30 PM
Apr 2019

While a larger majority identified with Obama, the opinions and hatreds and prejudices of Trump and the others around him of a similar mindset (Miller, for instance) resonate with a significant number of the electorate.

They would rather stay with their hated than educate themselves and move forward.

FM123

(10,053 posts)
5. Yes, this kind of person confuses me too.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:22 PM
Apr 2019

The only way I can explain someone like that is if I substitute the word fan for cult member, someone so brainwashed that they can no longer think for themselves.

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
6. She is probably a religious conservative
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:22 PM
Apr 2019

as well as a racist. And is in front of Fox News all the time having their vile shit pumped into her brain.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
12. Lots of Christian churches are preaching
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:35 PM
Apr 2019

that Trump is President because God placed him there, to implement God's plan. These Christians are told that opposition to Trump is opposition to God. Many of the RW radio shows, both Christian and secular, echo this idea, as do countless websites, Facebook posts, Tweets, etc. etc. That's one reason there are so many like the person described in the OP, who act like cult members. It also explains why they think we are not just wrong, but are actively evil.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
40. King Cyrus, and various other Bible heroes.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 05:03 PM
Apr 2019

They've been doing this since he was nominated, and maybe before that. It's very shortsighted and foolish to discount the role Christianity has played, and continues to play, in the rise of Trump. The majority of Christian voters cast their ballots for Trump in 2016. It was not just the white Evangelicals, either, it was the majority of Christians of all varieties. Most of those Christians will enthusiastically vote for him again, if given the chance, because a vote against Trump is a vote against God.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
45. Yes, and it explains the fervency with which so many of his supporters
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 01:58 PM
Apr 2019

continue to stand behind him, no matter what he does or says.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
9. She hates more than she cares about herself.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:15 PM
Apr 2019

She hates brown and black people, she hates gay people, she really hates liberals. Her hate is stronger than her common sense.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
11. So there you have it. She would rather die than lose her Fuhrer.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:35 PM
Apr 2019

Most of us know too many people just like her.

BigmanPigman

(51,608 posts)
16. Ignorance and stupidity.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:18 PM
Apr 2019

I watched it and after she was bitching about how she doesn't regard a pay increase throughout the year as the same "promised tax cut" she normally received in a huge refund of $4,000 but $2,000 now instead. Duh! Wake up lady! Learn about your finances. Stop being so ignorant and bitching about it. She probably didn't even know that the ACA was the same as Obamacare until she needed it.

Then when she said she voted for the fucking moron I said out loud to my dog, "I do not feel badly at all. You deserve it.....another fucking moron".

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
14. Support of Nazism in Germany
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:12 PM
Apr 2019

during WWII has been equated to being in a death cult. Thom Hartmann has mentioned this repeatedly. I'm starting to think trump fans are doing the same thing.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
38. I lived in Germany for a good portion of my life, this is exactly what it looks like. Nazi supporter
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 04:07 PM
Apr 2019

... supporters would've been kept in the dark about "family separations" and "losing" Jewish children.

These guys in America's WH don't give a damn, they normalize historical inhumane stuff.

Midnight Writer

(21,768 posts)
15. It's not about issues. It is about imprinted personality traits.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:16 PM
Apr 2019

These traits are established in infants before they have conscious memories, run very deep in the subconscious, and are nearly impossible to overcome.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
21. I would give my organs to a black or a Mexican
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:26 PM
Apr 2019

But I’m at the point where I wouldn’t want them going to a Branch Trumpvidian.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
19. That 46% of the electorate that put him in office isn't going anywhere.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:25 PM
Apr 2019

It sucks to say it, but the truth can hurt sometimes.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
29. That is still, minus one tragic exception, a very beatable
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:06 PM
Apr 2019

number. Romney, for example, got 47% of the vote, and didn't come close to winning. McCain got just under 46% of the vote and got thrashed.

srobertss

(261 posts)
20. Daily cognitive dissonance
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:26 PM
Apr 2019

It is upsetting to get daily proof that so many people are supportive of this trash person. How can this be? But then I heard Bandy Lee, the Yale psychiatrist, saying that he might not be able to process the humiliation of losing his base and might try to take the world down with him. So I’m starting to see the positive side of this phenomenon. Maybe I shouldn’t wish for them to wake up. At least until he loses the election. The other positive is that they seem to be equally incapable of understanding us. When Trump Jr chastised Ilhan Omar for calling Stephen Miller a white supremacist, I thought, “This is good they’re so stupid they won’t be able to figure out strategies to defeat us.”

But still, it’s a daily nightmare.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
27. True Story
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:50 PM
Apr 2019

My wife knows a woman who developed liver cancer before the ACA. The doctors told her she needed a new liver, but it turned out that her terrible health plan wouldn't cover a transplant and she didn't have the deposit to get on the transplant list.
The ACA then passed and she was able to get an exchange plan and a liver transplant. The ACA literally saved her life.
Her husband, however, is a Fox News junkie and a right wing conservative. To this day, he still hates Obama, supports trump, and simply fails to acknowledge that the ACA saved his wife's life.
You can't make this shit up.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
37. I call em pride voters; they have so much invested into being right about someone they wont ...
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 04:02 PM
Apr 2019

... see they're wrong.

Reality wont matter, they'll even tell you up is down with a straight face.

Karadeniz

(22,528 posts)
30. I saw her, too. What impressed me was her making excuses for the moron. "I guess he
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:08 PM
Apr 2019

Didn't understand the effect of his tax plan on us who aren't as rich as he is. " So, he lowered taxes for the wealthy, but he didn't understand what he was doing. He doesn't have tax experts clever enough to anticipate other outcomes than what he says...or he doesn't understand he should listen to them. Diddums just doesn't understand, but now he probably does, so we're just peachy.

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
31. The LBJ Quote was posted prominently here at DU, somewhere.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:09 PM
Apr 2019

And that quote pretty much explains it. So many people desperately need someone to look down upon. Whats-his-face lifts his fans up by cramming his metaphoric foot onto other people's metaphoric necks.

Admittedly, I look down upon the Trumpers a little bit at times. At other times, however, I feel sorry for them, and I wish that their hearts and minds could be clear with the love and wisdom that they claim their deity provides. They would not only find some inner peace to quiet the rage and fear that besets them, but we could all work together to make a better life for everyone.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
32. Democrats don't realize how much values and perceptions play into a vote.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:10 PM
Apr 2019

I don't like Sanders, but would vote for Sanders in a general election even if never releases tax returns, would raise my taxes and screw up my current health care plan. I would even re-elect him if he crashed the economy and started a major war. That's because his values are still closer to mine than any Republican and I'd perceive that any screwups would have been worse under a Republican or are not his fault.

lostnfound

(16,180 posts)
33. Lots of people jumping to conclusions about her in this thread
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:27 PM
Apr 2019

I saw it too. Hard to recognize what she was about. Only thing I can figure is she lives in some rural community with red churches and red radio station. Looked like a blue collar neighborhood maybe in Florida? Small houses, cinder block. Didn’t catch what state she was in.

jayfish

(10,039 posts)
36. She Outlined That...
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 04:02 PM
Apr 2019

everything she liked about Trump was a lie.

-He's a regular guy
-He's looking out for the little guy
-He's a straight shooter
-He's going to drain the swamp

Yet she's still a fan? Fuck her!

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
35. Regarding the ACA Red Don's fans live on another planet, they thank ACA is Muslim or some shit ...
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:57 PM
Apr 2019

... they're kept misinformed

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
41. They keep themselves misinformed.
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 05:10 PM
Apr 2019

Their ignorance isn't something that's forced upon them, it's something they choose for themselves.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
42. white populism ie Trump not Trumpy enough for her
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 06:01 PM
Apr 2019

ie didn't get the wall built fast enough and isn't delivering for the 'regular' people in the 'middle class'. those were her stated concerns. IOW she disapproves of Trump from the populist right, like Anne Coulter does, which makes it less (not more) likely for Dems to attact such voters, who will likely still vote for Trump.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
46. Racism is the uniting thread across Trump supporters
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:52 AM
Apr 2019

Of course they know racism is bad, so they're very quick to back any lie tossed to them, and are deeply offended if you point it out.

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