By definition criminals do not obey laws.

What is your point? You think you will defend yourself with an AR 15?

Ha!

I would melt all guns and build Bridges with them. Yes guns make it easier to kill. No argument!

What I am bringing up for discussion is how do we get law breakers to obey laws.

One solution would be 10 times more punishment than what current laws proscribe. But even that may not work, because criminals ignore laws regardless of punishment. Murders have not stopped because there are laws against it and punishment usually is life in prison.

... set up a victim's fund.with the revenue, ban assault rifles, and impose.strict.liability in tort.

they will continue doing what they have always been doing, rob other people using guns,
and those other people will not be able to defend themselves due to high cost of insurance & ammo.

You get no sympathy from me.

so they never end up paying anything to society.

It is a weapon of.war designed to kill a lot of people in a short period of time with nasty rounds and minimal recoil. If you need to defend against Mongol hoards, an AR 15 works well. If you are under attack from someone with an AR15 forget about it.

Many years of carrying one and continual training makes it second nature to use it effectively.

It is what I choose to use as a HD weapon for those reasons. For numerous reasons it is a far better tool to use to defend my home and family from intruders, my guineas and goats from coyotes and wild dogs and my garden and fields from feral hogs. I live mils from any concentrated law enforcement, so my homes security is my responsibility, and there is a history of isolated homes being broken into while people are at home by multiple criminals at one time. I think I am more qualified to judge what tool best serves the job at hand.

Pistols, shotguns and bolt action rifles are also used in war, very few semi-auto rifles are, and those in heavier calibers. The current lingo is silly, and out of touch with reality.

From another post by you."Your odds of using it in actual self defense are almost zero. I am sick and tired of the excuses. There is no good reason for people to have these weapons."

You mean there is no reason for the common folk of course, the LEO, and Govt. will of course be allowed? The LEO I can not count on to be minutes away? The Government currently lead by a monstrous racist? My family has already been down that particular road.

I do not think I will let you tell me what I can and can not own, you do not seem to have my best interest in mind.

I find the need to reduce gun deaths to far exceed my need to see you satisfy your gun fetish. My finding is final. You lose and since you feel my opinion is so crucial you have a problem.

OK, look forward to seeing you enforce your will.

You sure showed me who is boss. Hey, have a cookie, you've earned it.

Because an anonymous poster on the internet has real power.

Self defense situation where a long arm is the better choice. If I’m “under attack” by someone with an AR, I’d much rather have an equivalent to respond with.

Your odds of using it in actual self defense are almost zero. I am sick and tired of the excuses. There is no good reason for people to have these weapons.

There are few assertions about, well, anything, that are less compelling than that one. It's simplistic nonsense.

What I said is criminals by definition do not obey laws. That must be true because we have tons of murders, scores of rapes, countless robberies and houses broken in every 2 minutes, while there are strict laws in place against all of that.

“Will gangs get rid of their weapons? No. Because of who we are, we can't guarantee our own safety," he told the news site Stuff.

https://www.newsweek.com/gang-refuses-bow-new-zealands-gun-reforms-we-cant-guarantee-our-own-safety-1381665

Guns are illegal in the UK, and they have far fewer gun deaths than we do. Do you think it's because one criminal says to another: "Oy! Nigel! You can't use that gun! It's illegal."

Make them illegal, and there's no longer a legitimate market for them. No more gun stores on every street corner.

This is when the die-hards start talking about the black market, like with drugs. And that's a valid argument. But there are limitations. You can't stuff 50 AK-47s into condoms, swallow them, and then stroll through customs. You can't flush fifty AR-15s down the toilet when the cops show up at your door. When possession is the crime, it becomes that much easier to put away the criminals.

UK does not have the 2nd Amendment equivalent.
UK does not allow civilians to buy guns on the internet, gun shows & gun stores.

US has more guns floating around in civilian hands than there are civilians.
I wish there never was the 2nd Amendment.
I wish open market gun buying stopped when Lincoln was president.
In my honest opinion, we are stuck with guns for at least 100 years.

"This is when the die-hards start talking about the black market, like with drugs. And that's a valid argument."

All these weapons below are illegal to own by private citizens (except by Gov. license), by either country. That's what makes them so desirable for the black market to start selling. Ban all guns, and see what the criminals do. Prohibition, anyone? Except with firearms.

1996, 2,000 AK's smuggled into Long Beach, headed to Mex.
[link:https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1997-03-15-mn-38557-story.html|

2016, attempted smuggling of 33 automatic weapons into Britain.
][link:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3482755/Dramatic-footage-shows-moment-armed-police-swooped-gang-smuggling-huge-cache-AK-47s-Skorpion-sub-machine-guns-Britain.html|

2016, attempted sale of smuggled weapons into US by SEAL's/military personnel.
][link:https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/11/navy-seal-accused-of-selling-ak-47-machineguns-smuggled-from-iraq-and-afghanistan.html|

Nor do they have crazy citizens who equate gun ownership with "patriotism"

Life before gun profits - it's not that hard.

While pistols kill 7,000+

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls

Plus the 400 murdered with rifles could be done with pistols also.

And less then 400 people out of 320 million is a tiny fraction....especially in a country where over 34,000 people die a year accidentally falling and over 58,000 people die every year in accidental poisonings. I'd start there if saving peoples lives was actually your priority.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm

including the entire phone threat to Swalwell

Around most of the western world gun are viewed as a hobby like golf. It's something that you go to a club to do and maybe you hunt a few times a year. The guns are usually secured and are purchased for enjoyment.

The core of gun owners in this country view firearms as a God given right and are willing to use them on other people. Look at how many people buy guns for self defense and keep a loaded gun handy in the house or carry on concealed on their person. What do you think self defense with a firearm entails? I'm not saying all gun owners are like this but a sizable amount are, enough that they are the ones driving the conversation. The gun culture in the US has no parallels anywhere else in the western world.

That's why we will likely not see anything even remotely close to what has happened in other countries for several generations, if ever. Not saying we shouldn't try but rather saying don't hold your breath.

what you call legislation and protecting the people, not protecting the NRA.

To do anything in this country to stop mass shootings.

It's much harder to manage a country as diverse and far-flung as ours.