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flamin lib

(14,559 posts) Fri Apr 12, 2019, 10:44 AM Apr 2019

Well, so much for all men being created equal . . .

In the last Senate election Texas cast a total of just over 8,000,000 votes .

Wyoming cast a total of just under 200,000.

A senate vote in Wyoming carries 40 times the weight of one in Texas.

So the senate representation for Wyoming is 80 times that of Texas.

Yeah, it's time . . .

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Well, so much for all men being created equal . . . (Original Post) flamin lib Apr 2019 OP

Impeach the Senate! dumbcat Apr 2019 #1

Wut? nt Codeine Apr 2019 #2

I'm sorry dumbcat Apr 2019 #3

Ah. Codeine Apr 2019 #5

You're joking, but you know the Senate is bullshit. maxsolomon Apr 2019 #8

So, it wasn't designed that way by the Founding Fathers? dumbcat Apr 2019 #11

It was "designed" that way, but it is now an anachronism - like the 2nd Amendment. maxsolomon Apr 2019 #12

What we really need to address first Bettie Apr 2019 #4

We can't do that, or anything else, unless we can win MineralMan Apr 2019 #6

Even when we have control of both houses Bettie Apr 2019 #7

If enough people turn out and vote for Democrats MineralMan Apr 2019 #9

The Democrats respected the Filibuster until McConnell's obstruction forced Harry Reid's hand. maxsolomon Apr 2019 #10

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)

1. Impeach the Senate!

Reply to flamin lib (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 11:17 AM

Apr 2019

It's unconstitutional.

Codeine

(25,586 posts)

2. Wut? nt

Reply to dumbcat (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 11:20 AM

Apr 2019

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)

3. I'm sorry

Reply to Codeine (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 12:28 PM

Apr 2019

I was just continuing in the vein of the OP.

So the senate representation for Wyoming is 80 times that of Texas.

Uh, no. The Senate representation for Wyoming is exactly the same as Texas. Two senators each. Exactly as designed.

Codeine

(25,586 posts)

5. Ah.

Reply to dumbcat (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 12:32 PM

Apr 2019

The line between satire and insanity is a blurred one these days.

maxsolomon

(33,400 posts)

8. You're joking, but you know the Senate is bullshit.

Reply to dumbcat (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 12:41 PM

Apr 2019

"Exactly as designed" just like the 2nd Amendment, right?

The disproportionate representation of the Senate has established a rural tyranny over an urban nation.

The fiction of our "States" being separate countries united by choice is the actual joke at this point.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)

11. So, it wasn't designed that way by the Founding Fathers?

Reply to maxsolomon (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 12:47 PM

Apr 2019

Are you telling me all my school year's civics and history classes were lying? It wasn't designed that way?

Oh, the humanity!

maxsolomon

(33,400 posts)

12. It was "designed" that way, but it is now an anachronism - like the 2nd Amendment.

Reply to dumbcat (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 01:10 PM

Apr 2019

It wasn't "designed" to fuck over California and disproportionately empower Wyoming. They didn't exist.

California might want to consider splitting into 100 states to "design" a fix: the 5 States of LA County, the State of SF, the State of Marin, etc.

Bettie

(16,124 posts)

4. What we really need to address first

Reply to flamin lib (Original post)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 12:32 PM

Apr 2019

is the house. We need the number of representatives increased significantly so that there is more equal representation there.

I think (but am not certain) that can be changed without a constitutional amendment.

Set a number (probably the population of the state with the least population and use that (rounded) as the base number for determining the size of congressional districts.

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)

6. We can't do that, or anything else, unless we can win

Reply to Bettie (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 12:36 PM

Apr 2019

majority control of both houses of Congress and put a Democrat in the White House. That's the immediate issue, and the thing we should be looking at. How do we do that? The rest will have to wait, quite frankly, until we do. And if we don't, the Republicans might be the ones to make changes. That is a very real and present danger.

2020!

Bettie

(16,124 posts)

7. Even when we have control of both houses

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 12:40 PM

Apr 2019

republicans find a way to stop all progress of any kind in the Senate.

I don't get how one (R) senator can bring everything to an utter standstill and Democrats can't even slow things down.

Yeah, I'm very frustrated these days. Seeing no hope, no light at the end of the tunnel.

I'll work and vote, but I don't believe that we'll have a fair election.

ETA: and in context of the Senate and congress, the house number is an easier nut to crack!

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)

9. If enough people turn out and vote for Democrats

Reply to Bettie (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 12:42 PM

Apr 2019

we can overwhelm any attempts to screw with elections. We need every non-voter who is on our side to get out and vote. If we do that, we cannot lose. Turnout matters. Help make it matter in 2020!

That's all I can say. If you want to see light at the end of the tunnel, keep driving. Don't stop.

maxsolomon

(33,400 posts)

10. The Democrats respected the Filibuster until McConnell's obstruction forced Harry Reid's hand.