Our problem is we dont realize the state we are in, we are WAY WAY past where SERIOUS ACTION IN THE STREETS by 75 MILLION of us should have taken place.

We don't know what the report is going to say. We do know Mueller did not indict anybody for conspiracy. Why? All that cooperation, all the deals and Mueller got nothing to charge Stone or anybody for conspiracy. Like I said, It does not add up.

Not sure why more reporters (and congress) aren't asking about this.

Not seeing the Mueller report he may have concluded that a sitting president can't be indicted. To prove criminal conspiracy one has to prove that Trump had criminal intent. Pretty hard to prove when Mueller never interviewed Trump. That doesn't mean that Trump and his criminal organization didn't collude with Russia, it's pretty obvious to me that they did collude and that collusion is grounds for impeachment.

Seeing how Rosenstein and Barr are both misbehaving lately, we really don't know how constrained Mueller has been.

Because the moment he was named as "Individual 1" in Michael Cohen's indictment, a)people should have taken to the streets and b) impeachment proceedings should have begun immediately. This is where things have been messed up royally. He should have been removed from office already on that criminal conspiracy charge alone.

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is just outright "bizarre." (what???)

Comey was glad to put his thumb on the scale against Hillary.

Democrats, like Obama, (who I love) have always installed Republicans in Intelligence positions, so they don't look "doveish" -something the left is/was paranoid about. Obama, like other Democrats didn't want to look soft.

So, rampant Republicanism is in our Intelligence agencies, FBI, CIA guys, already are RW. I guess it could be Mueller is giving all the conspirators and money-launderers, and shady foreign deals a gentle wrist slap. Because secrets and Federalist Society.

Let that be a lesson to the next President who is a Democrat. Don't give power to Republicans, don't underestimate how they hate us and they will not be "for" the kind of country that Democrats envision.

edited: criticism is well-taken. I changed "Democrat President" to "President who is a Democrat". and to clarify, I love Obama. Of course, he was willing to compromise with Republicans, he tried hard to work with them. I would like for our next President who is a Democrat, to not give power to Republicans.

Let that be a lesson to the next Democrat President

Obama's fault.

... those guys got deals and didn't give up bigger fish.

That makes no sense.

WTF was the point of giving Flynn almost no jail time if he didn’t deliver a bigger fish

Mueller's investigation was limited. He sent obtained info to SDNY & the New York Prosecuter. Those cases/investigations are still going on. Indictments will be coming, but not from Mueller.

He has revealed himself as a part of Trump’s reelection campaign, so he’ll interfere with the SDNY work. Then it’s all up to the NY AG and you can bet the DOJ will throw everything they can at any indictments to stymie revelations until after the 2020 election. I’m hoping they indict Trump on tax fraud, personally and Trump Organization, along with his progeny who run Trump Org.

... with the canning of Sessions IMHO.

Or ...

The millisecond dems got into office

...and they have the corresponding communication between the GRU and Wikileaks regarding Don Jr., WTF more do they need??? It doesn't make sense...

... MSM and the rest of America is looking at any Russian cooperation.

I'm wondering who narrowed Mueller's investigation like that

What about Roger Stone and wikileaks? What about Cambridge Analytica and Bannon?

Something is 'rotten in Denmark'.

... they're not doubt tight.

Bill "they spied on Trump" Barr seems a little slow, like Rudy G slow ... too stupid to know when they've been duped.

The Special Counsel investigation of 2017 to 2019, also referred to as the Mueller probe, Mueller investigation and Russia investigation, was a United States counterintelligence investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. Its results are presented in the Mueller report.

But a lot of the things we hoped for were never in the goal of the investigation.

I never expected any of the trumps to be indicted or charged simply because it was the FBI investigating. They are a very status quo organization. Doesn't make it right, it is just the way it is.

Unlike the Watergate, Iran-contra and others, the Muller investigation was instituted by the DOJ, not congress.

But this is just my opinion, which is never worth much.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_%282017–2019%29

blown away. Didn't talk about it except to say how serious it was.

There's definitely lots, LOTS that has happened and many people know about it. Are they the right people? Or are they institutionalists who would prefer a soft landing rather than the largest, messiest political and criminal scandal in American history?

Let’s not forget that this whole thing is and was run by Republicans. When have they ever put country over party? The occasions are very rare, indeed. So rare that when they show the slightest hint of empathy or even consideration for anyone other than themselves or their wealthy donors everyone reacts as if they’ve seen a unicorn!

People were given deals to get information that was then handed over to other prosecutors who can pursue those crimes without fear of their "special office" being shut down by Trump.

That's my belief & I hope I'm right.

KT McFarland for instance was never charged with lying even though she lied and she and her husband were involved in secret foreign money schemes. But she was allowed to change her story to FBI involving Flynn and Russian contacts and get off scot free.

Kushner was allowed to change his security statements multiple times about his foreign contacts and deals after getting caught withholding information with no repercussions.

Don Jr. was never interviewed by Mueller team and even after getting his false testimony from Congress, not held accountable for lying about Trump Tower Moscow and the Trump Tower NY meeting.

I've been suspicious as well, but then I realized that being against Mueller right now is siding with the GOP.

The Mueller team has apparently filed many sealed indictments. How do we know who is named in those indictments?

https://politicalwire.com/2019/02/21/what-happens-to-muellers-sealed-indictments/

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/02/21/are-sealed-indictments-muellers-backstop/

Sometimes I think we are far too quick to throw folks under the bus if they do not deliver what we think they should deliver in the time frame we prefer.

Just sayin'

I can’t prove anything of course - but last I heard, dirty dirty Elliot Broidy is being investigated by California prosecutors - I can’t find a link to that, but one of our finest DUers posted that info a couple weeks ago -

Broidy attaches to Cohen (RNC finance chairs) and to Tom Barrack (trump pal who ran inauguration), and to Rick Gates: Barrack and Broidy gave Gates tens of thousands of dollars in 2017 for some reason (?!); he attaches to George Nader, a prime mover/shaker in the ME (who’s also a convicted pedophile), and then of course there’s the Playboy gal Broidy was paying off...

Broidy was raided last summer in LA, and the Feds took all his shit, a la Cohen...and hell, I just found this link that also attaches him to Sessions, ffs!!

Raid:
https://www.propublica.org/article/federal-authorities-raided-trump-fundraisers-office-in-money-laundering-probe

Sessions:
https://www.propublica.org/article/elliott-broidy-sessions-turned-to-convicted-fundraiser-for-advice-on-attorneys

Feds are not, CANnot be done with Broidy, I tells ya!!!

Just sayin’



Hang tough/keep the faith, this shit is hard

This way using State AG's if convicted trump couldn't, but got all the info for the State AG's to use against them with.

We need to be patient. As Cohen said, Mueller knows everything.

and right after he backs out of 2020, bring the hammer down and indict the hell out of him.

Is it real or is it a ploy to make people believe that Trump really had nothing to do with Wilileaks and their connection to Russia?

It all too coincidental. The volume of videos that show Trump praising, engaging, and almost worshipping Wikileaks make it almost impossible to believe that there was not connection between Trump-Wiki-Stone-Russia. Now all of a sudden, Trump feigns indifference to Assange and Wikileaks??? It is all to strange and convenient. Something really bad must have been revealed about Assange and Wikileaks and now Trump and his gang need to distance themselves from Assange.

I don't really know. It's just a hunch...call me the new Corsi.

By Mueller. I hope that’s not true.

He doesn't care that grand jury testimony comes out, he cares that anything that would lead to or help an investigation into fraud, tax evasion, money laundering etc on the part of Trump doesn't come out.

He's taking all that out saying it is irrelevant so neither Congress or any other prosecutor can go after Trump.

If he was nearly as "independent" as the media makes him out to be. Trump et al. would be indicted by now. And that would destroy the GOP for decades.

Mueller will never do that.

I don't think Mueller (unlike the stooge Barr) is a Trumper, but at the end of the day they are all loyal Repubs, with an establishment worldview that favors the good old boys club.

Remember, things are also different now than when the probe first began, when Repubs were still divided over Trump, having endured a bitter primary season.

But things have settled and most Repubs accept and support him now.

None of them are willing to even damage the party-line let alone the party itself.

It's all theater. It's performed to make us think that they care and will do something about it but, they are only protecting themselves and the money. All we get are circle jerk panel discussions from the MSM and the opportunity to wallow in their shit. We do not have anything resembling a functioning government or a decent, livable society.

was derailed by Barr - Mueller was told to stop the investigation and get a report onto Barr's desk within 30 days - or something like that.

1) I think he was planning on indicting Kushner, Don Jr and others (Prince, Corsi, Credico, etc) and hoped they would flip on Donny Dollhands.

2) Mueller was counting on the evidence being so overwhelming against Don Sr that the Congress would vote to impeach and convict. He naively thought Congressional Republicans had some honor like they did under Nixon, not that they were an arm of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

3) Barr is going to try to gag Mueller if Mueller testifies to the House.

If Mueller is told to shut up and say nothing, i'm thinking he will follow their orders. I REALLY hope i'm wrong!

This just seems like a 2 year long Fitzmas. Was dirt thrown in the umpires eyes again? Republicans are not generally held to the same standards as regular people, especially by Republican prosecutors. We've seen the return of many of W's worst. I wish they had been prosecuted for torture and the like. It's a different system of justice for politicians and the rich.

WE had leaders who didn't want to do anything about them, remember.

Barr and Trump are feeding cynicism because what is in the Report has to be extremely damaging. They will delay and deny and lie, confident that the public will get weary of the whole thing. It's hard to stay outraged about blank pages. This is why we must continually push for the entire Mueller Report be made available to congress and the summaries that Mueller prepared be made public.

We are disappointed by the unmasking of a myth (that of Mueller as some non-partisan white knight) that we ourselves created.

There was no reason to believe this would turn it otherwise besides our own Mueller memes.