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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 08:07 AM Apr 2019

Ohio men can now legally rape their wives & force them to give birth. Seriously.

On a couple of days ago, both houses of the Ohio state legislature--the House and Senate alike--voted to ban abortion outright six weeks after conception. There's no exception for rape. There's no exception for incest. There is an exception for the life of the mother (not her health, mind you...just her actual ability to keep breathing)...but that's it. Yesterday this bill was signed into law by GOP Governor Mike DeWine.
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As horrific as this is already, it gets worse...far worse. You see...

During House session yesterday, @RepGalonski had an amendment to make it illegal to rape your wife. (It's legal in Ohio if she's drunk or incapacitated. Seriously.)

These are the 58 Republicans who rejected making spousal rape illegal: pic.twitter.com/GWM0h9Rdkq

— Gabriel Mann (@OhioGabe) April 12, 2019


[link:https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/4/12/1849808/-Ohio-men-can-now-legally-rape-their-wives-force-them-to-give-birth-Seriously?utm_campaign=trending|



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Ohio men can now legally rape their wives & force them to give birth. Seriously. (Original Post) Soph0571 Apr 2019 OP
Kasich vetoed True Blue American Apr 2019 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author CurtEastPoint Apr 2019 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #10
I understood it to be a birthing scene mercuryblues Apr 2019 #12
Didn't think. Done. Thank you and apologies. CurtEastPoint Apr 2019 #16
Thank you for listening and being so responsive! I really appreciate it. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #20
Ohio is a lost cause. Why do the people of Ohio enable this outrage of injustice? democratisphere Apr 2019 #3
I have said this many times now here on DU Ohiogal Apr 2019 #8
How does gerrymandering affect the statewide vote for governor? Martin Eden Apr 2019 #14
Does the states legislature have a say in where polling places are to be placed? cstanleytech Apr 2019 #21
Thanks, I forgot about voter suppression Martin Eden Apr 2019 #25
No. Those are County decisions. brooklynite Apr 2019 #26
So they get no money for it from the state and the state has zero input on placement? cstanleytech Apr 2019 #29
I'm sorry - I didn't mean to say it affects a governor's race Ohiogal Apr 2019 #23
anti-Abortion & pro-Guns Martin Eden Apr 2019 #28
True, but.... infinite_wisdom Apr 2019 #40
Insane evil masquerading as religious morality. Mc Mike Apr 2019 #4
Ahh, DeWine mercuryblues Apr 2019 #5
Unfortunately many women go willingly. democratisphere Apr 2019 #7
What the ever loving fuck? smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #6
Unfortunately Ohiogal Apr 2019 #9
I feel for you, Ohiogal. smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #11
We're supposed to get new district maps Ohiogal Apr 2019 #18
Sadly many of my extremely pro-choice friends were agnostic after menopause MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #24
I am going through that stage now and I am as adamantly pro-choice as I ever was. smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #43
Yes, Democrats vote for others! MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #45
They did it to themselves JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #13
Have to give them credit RandiFan1290 Apr 2019 #15
Have a very right wing snowybirdie Apr 2019 #17
So will this one be the one the supreme court will take up? Buckeyeblue Apr 2019 #19
The Ohio General Assembly Mendocino Apr 2019 #22
This is racial politics at its extreme MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #27
White women aren't valued or don't you get that?? No women are valued. 58Sunliner Apr 2019 #35
Racial politics not profiling MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #38
The STFU part is what is the key. What you are talking about, is fascism. 58Sunliner Apr 2019 #41
A majority of white women vote for these clowns. MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #42
This is not America Ferrets are Cool Apr 2019 #30
Republicans are Determined to Return to "the Gool Old Days" of Women as Chattel dlk Apr 2019 #31
And the war on women never stops. 58Sunliner Apr 2019 #32
A, o, oh way to go Ohio paleotn Apr 2019 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author paleotn Apr 2019 #34
Republic of Gilead wanna be scumbags UniteTheLeft Apr 2019 #36
Sounds like a republican paradise. Turbineguy Apr 2019 #37
Maybe the women of Ohio would vote Dem next time? IronLionZion Apr 2019 #39
Can Ohio women conceal-carry and shoot their rapists? Ilsa Apr 2019 #44

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mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
12. I understood it to be a birthing scene
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 09:00 AM
Apr 2019

from HMT. None the less, disturbing in its own way. This depicts, very accurately what women are heading for. Mostpeopletook the book as a warning. Republicans used it as an How To manual.

Ohiogal

(32,049 posts)
8. I have said this many times now here on DU
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 08:42 AM
Apr 2019

Ohio is ridiculously gerrymandered. The outcome of our elections is not representative of the people in our state.

And I'm getting more and more upset at comments here on DU insinuating that all Ohioans are knuckle dragging neanderthals that enable misogynistic policies.

The comment "Kasich vetoed this several times but DeWine was chomping at the bit to sign it" is most accurate. Shows you exactly what Ohio's GOP and De Wine is all about.

Martin Eden

(12,875 posts)
14. How does gerrymandering affect the statewide vote for governor?
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 09:13 AM
Apr 2019

I understand it affects districts within a state, turning a minority into a legislative majority.

cstanleytech

(26,318 posts)
21. Does the states legislature have a say in where polling places are to be placed?
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 09:42 AM
Apr 2019

Or if not do they have a say on the funding for them atleast?

Ohiogal

(32,049 posts)
23. I'm sorry - I didn't mean to say it affects a governor's race
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 09:44 AM
Apr 2019

But when your governor's race is extremely close, yet two thirds of all the districts in Ohio get Republican leaders, you can tell right there that our representatives do not represent everyone accurately.

De Wine had big name recognition -- he has held state offices here for many years. And, sadly, just enough "one issue" abortion voters made it to the polls last time.

Martin Eden

(12,875 posts)
28. anti-Abortion & pro-Guns
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 09:52 AM
Apr 2019

The "pro-Life" movement has saddled us with Republican rule that is antithetical to life and justice.

 

infinite_wisdom

(73 posts)
40. True, but....
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 11:24 AM
Apr 2019

R's won every state wide election in 2018 despite the rest of the nation enjoying a big beautiful blue wave.

I have lived in Ohio my entire life of 52 years (Dayton, Columbus). The problems in Ohio are many and complicated. First, the Democratic Party leadership (not the politicians but the people running the party) in Ohio is awful. It seems to me they don't even want to win sometimes. I listened to one of these guys a few weeks ago and he was basically just throwing up the surrender flag saying that rural Ohioans will just never believe that the D's "have their backs". It was just so pathetic and defeatist. New blood is very badly needed here.

Ohio is also not as diverse as the rest of the country. It is changing at a snails pace. The Hispanic population has not migrated here in large numbers. It is whiter than most states and getting older. It is old and white. We all know what happens when a population gets old and white and I say that as a person who is getting old and is white. I think Ohio may be going the way of West Virginia politically, which will likely result in it becoming just another impoverished, regressive, ignorant and backward red state where kids grow up dreaming of one thing - getting the Hell out of Ohio.

I live in Columbus and it is fine here. It is diverse, plenty to do, good paying jobs are around. I don't know how many generations it is going to take for small town Ohioans to realize that the factories are not coming back, we ain't going to dig up any more coal, and the only way the price of their pills is going to ever come down is by voting for Democrats. But instead they hold on to the past with the determination of a mother protecting her child. But I still don't think bringing some of them into the light is an impossibility.

Mc Mike

(9,115 posts)
4. Insane evil masquerading as religious morality.
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 08:27 AM
Apr 2019

As a catholic, I think Pope F should excommunicate DeWine, and Paul Ryan.

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
5. Ahh, DeWine
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 08:32 AM
Apr 2019

Who allowed for the most lenient charges possible for all those involved in the Steubenville rape case. republicans never fail to take an opportunity to bring women back to the dark ages.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
6. What the ever loving fuck?
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 08:41 AM
Apr 2019

I know that Ohio is heavily burdened by republican gerrymandering, but they need to vote these bastards out of office. What woman in her right mind would put up with this shit? It's' completely insane!

Ohiogal

(32,049 posts)
9. Unfortunately
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 08:45 AM
Apr 2019

there are brainwashed, uber religious women here who enable this shit. But not as many as you would think. Our voting system is not representative of the people's wishes. It's evil and I hate it, but the Republicans gleefully take advantage of any way they can cheat to install themselves into power.

I can't understand why Republicans hate women so much. I just can't.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
11. I feel for you, Ohiogal.
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 08:59 AM
Apr 2019

It must be so frustrating to live in a state with such partisan gerrymandering that allows the right-wing knuckledraggers to control the entire population. Is there any hope? Surely this must arouse the anger of many who haven't before paid much attention to politics who could now be swayed into voting Democratic.

Ohiogal

(32,049 posts)
18. We're supposed to get new district maps
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 09:37 AM
Apr 2019

after the 2020 census. But it's been talked about for years by Democrats here about how unfair the current boundaries are.

Since the maps are drawn by the state legislature .... it's extremely important that the committee be bipartisan. I'm not exactly sure how the committee is selected. I'm going to look into it.

This is sort of depressing, though:

https://ballotpedia.org/Redistricting_in_Ohio_after_the_2020_census

On May 8, 2018, voters in Ohio approved a constitutional amendment establishing new procedures for congressional redistricting. Beginning with the 2020 redistricting cycle, the following provisions were set to take effect:[3][4]

Following completion of the United States Census, state legislators can adopt a new congressional district map if three-fifths of the legislature's total membership vote to approve, including one-half of the minority party members. This map would apply for 10 years.
If the legislature proves unable to adopt a new map, a commission will be formed to adopt a map. That commission will include the governor, state auditor, secretary of state, and four legislators, two of whom must come from the legislature's minority party. A majority of the commission's members, including two members belonging to the minority party, must agree on a map. The map would apply for 10 years.
If the commission proves unable to adopt a map, state legislators will be given a second chance to adopt a map. The map would have to be approved by three-fifths of the legislature's total membership, including one-third of the minority party's members. The map would apply for 10 years.
If the legislature fails a second time, the majority party of the legislature, without support from the minority party, can adopt a map that would apply for four years.

The last point above ... the majority can adapt a map without the minority party's approval.... you can be sure they'll have that as their ultimate goal.

MaryMagdaline

(6,856 posts)
24. Sadly many of my extremely pro-choice friends were agnostic after menopause
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 09:48 AM
Apr 2019

Pro-choice for me; no abortion for thee.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
43. I am going through that stage now and I am as adamantly pro-choice as I ever was.
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 01:42 PM
Apr 2019

That is a republican trait. "If it doesn't affect me, then to hell with everyone else." We democrats care about everyone, not just ourselves. We must keep fighting for the rights of all women!

I am sorry about your friends Mary, it must be very disappointing for you.

JustAnotherGen

(31,874 posts)
13. They did it to themselves
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 09:08 AM
Apr 2019

White women in Ohio did this. It's on them - NOT just the Governor they elected. They have to change it via state legislative means if they don't like it.

What they cannot do is take it to SCOTUS and put women in NJ at risk with the opinions of an oppressive court which does not reflect our values. States rights goes both ways.

RandiFan1290

(6,242 posts)
15. Have to give them credit
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 09:16 AM
Apr 2019

They don't stop fighting for their voters and what they want. They never have to worry about being 'bipartisan' and just steamroll ahead with their agenda.

snowybirdie

(5,233 posts)
17. Have a very right wing
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 09:32 AM
Apr 2019

relative in Ohio, who claimed she also supported choice and women's rights. She said they would NEVER outlaw abortion. To her, I say HA!

Buckeyeblue

(5,500 posts)
19. So will this one be the one the supreme court will take up?
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 09:38 AM
Apr 2019

So we can see if the concerned Susan Collins was right...

Mendocino

(7,504 posts)
22. The Ohio General Assembly
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 09:43 AM
Apr 2019

has 133 members. The state senate has 24 republicans, 9 Democrats. The state house 61 and 38 Democrats. It's an uphill battle.

MaryMagdaline

(6,856 posts)
27. This is racial politics at its extreme
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 09:52 AM
Apr 2019

White women are valued for birthing white children. That is all. If they get out of line and refuse to give birth, they will be punished. But, as the poster above has stated, they brought this upon themselves. So afraid of the brown and black people that they will enslave themselves.

58Sunliner

(4,394 posts)
35. White women aren't valued or don't you get that?? No women are valued.
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 10:28 AM
Apr 2019

Why is this racial profiling? With gerrymandering we are seeing a minority rule.

MaryMagdaline

(6,856 posts)
38. Racial politics not profiling
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 10:49 AM
Apr 2019

Anti-abortion is key platform for white supremacy movement, i.e., white women STFU and keep having babies. Not saying that religious people are not involved in the anti-abortion politics, but they have allies in the white supremacy movement.

Funny, most of my strongly religious friends are African American who are strongly pro-life. We do not agree on abortion, but they seem to be pro-life all the way down the line ... anti-death penalty, pro-early childhood education, Medicare, Medicaid, social security, rights for handicapped, etc. When you’re pro-life because of religion, there’s a consistency there. When you’re anti-choice for racial reasons, it shows up in a different pattern of voting ... anti-immigrant, anti-female, anti-minority.

58Sunliner

(4,394 posts)
41. The STFU part is what is the key. What you are talking about, is fascism.
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 11:53 AM
Apr 2019

I don't care if there are women who drink the Kool-Aid, it does not change the reality that women are less than second class citizens. The white supremacy movement is extremely, violently, misogynistic, according to their rhetoric. The republican Taliban. Per capita, who will this law effect most? Don't bother telling me the lie that it is all about race. It isn't. And for you to intimate that white women get what they deserve when a minority votes for these clowns is racial politics at it's worst.

MaryMagdaline

(6,856 posts)
42. A majority of white women vote for these clowns.
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 12:48 PM
Apr 2019

I’m sorry if that sounds like blaming the victim. A majority of white woken vote the way they vote for a reason. Discerning that reason is tough. It is not because they are stupid. They know full well their rights will be lowered by voting republican. They are making a trade. Something in exchange for lowering their own status ... what in the world can bring you to lower your own status if not to raise (or preserve) your status (white) in some other way?

I do think there’s a chance they do NOT fully understand just how despised women are. Again, not stupid, but they are just not seeing the full-on hatred that is obvious to the rest of us.

As a white woman I know full well that I am not at fault for the minority of the electorate who vote against me. However, the majority of white women are complicit. There’s no way, after 2016, that I will see it otherwise. Sorry.

dlk

(11,575 posts)
31. Republicans are Determined to Return to "the Gool Old Days" of Women as Chattel
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 10:21 AM
Apr 2019

The backlash is in full swing.

paleotn

(17,946 posts)
33. A, o, oh way to go Ohio
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 10:25 AM
Apr 2019

What the hell?! Are they angling to join the old confederacy aka Jebusland? What the fuck is wrong with those people? While NY, Rhode Island, Maine, Maryland have or will pass state laws codifying abortion rights (VT is set to add those rights to our constitution), Ohio passes this affront to women everywhere? What the hell is next, Ohio? Marital chattel slavery?

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Turbineguy

(37,364 posts)
37. Sounds like a republican paradise.
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 10:35 AM
Apr 2019

Now if they can just get rid of healthcare, have the bridges over the Ohio river collapse, and a few other improvements, the day will be complete!

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
44. Can Ohio women conceal-carry and shoot their rapists?
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 02:00 PM
Apr 2019

It would be the perfect response to DeWine's perversions.

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