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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDid Barr specifically say that he thought the FBI or Hillary campaign was "spying" on Trump campaign
???
Or did everyone assume that was what he meant?
"Spying" is the appropriate word to use when someone is referencing a foreign adversary.
Is it possible Barr was referring to Russian spies?
A lot of stuff is not adding up.
Rosenstein wants us to believe that Barr can be trusted. Why is he still helping Barr with the redactions? Why is Mueller still helping Barr?
It doesn't make sense...
Are we assuming more into Barr's words than what he actually said??
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)kentuck
(111,098 posts)We know that Trump jumped all over his words as "total exoneration" and called the Democrats "treasonous".
But that just seems too obvious, for some odd reason?
I cannot reconcile Rosenstein's sudden change of heart?
Or Mueller's silence?
lame54
(35,292 posts)That Obama bugged him
Now Barr wants to look into it
Even though Barr had zip to back it up and it did get looked into when Trump made that obvious lie
elleng
(130,948 posts)Lots of stuff not adding up.
FBI/CIA might be thought of as 'spying, and don't all campaigns do stuff like that?
DUgosh
(3,056 posts)There was a Russian presence in the campaign - manipulating the unwitting
kentuck
(111,098 posts)The Russians were "spying" on the Trump campaign. The Trump campaign were "mostly" unwitting agents, except for a few now in prison or ready to go to prison.
RDANGELO
(3,433 posts)I could be wrong.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)dawg day
(7,947 posts)I certainly hope that the FBI director would finally stand up for his agents.
CIA too-- we know Barr's a lickspittle, but the agency heads-- don't they care that Trump is accusing their agents of a "coup?"
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)Now let me interpret for those who don't speak Assholese.
Russians under Fisa warrents were talking to the tRump campaign. So when Jr. and Jared were being traitorous assholes they would have been caught talking to the Russians.
So rather than being honest and saying "these fucking assholes were working with Russians who were under survellience, the spin is, "the tRump campaign was being spied on.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)And Russians, and we dont have ANY charges?
SHRED
(28,136 posts)I trust none of them.
Including Mueller.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)If the Obama administration didn't do anything about them, then the fix really is in.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)He starts with the meeting Trump had with IC briefers on August 17 in the campaign.
1/ Did he tell his briefers about all the ways he knew his campaign had already been infiltrated and solicited?
2/ Did he reveal that he had a self-described Kremlin intermediary (George Papadopoulos) on his national security team?
3/ Did he reveal that his top national security adviser, Michael Flynn, had met with the Russian ambassadorand even Putin himselfin December 2015?
4/ Did he reveal that his national security adviser Carter Page had met with a Kremlin official in Moscow?
5/ Did he reveal that his campaign manager Paul Manafort had negotiated a key plank in the Republican platform with a Kremlin spy (Konstantin Kilimnik)?
6/ Did he reveal to his briefers that the Kremlin was trying to set up a secret summit with him?
7/ Did he tell his briefersin facteven the *smallest* piece of the veritable *mountain* of information he had about Russias covert activities, including outreach to him by Kremlin agents via Rick Dearborn, Paul Erickson, and others?
8/ Did he tell them about the deal he was secretly negotiating with the Kremlin and its agents for a multibillion-dollar tower in Moscow?
9/ When his briefers told him the Kremlin was trying to ingratiate itself with him, did he tell them about a Kremlin-connected Russian oligarch suspiciously overpaying him by *$54 million* for a house earlier this decade?
10/ Did he tell his briefers that a Russian oligarch tried to send hookers to his hotel room (a room he said he knew was wired for sound and audio) *after* he'd decided to run for office but *before* he'd announced?
11/ Did he tell his briefers that he'd secured land, funding, and permits for a tower in Moscow with Putin's favorite real estate guy as his partner in the deal?
12/ Did he reveal all the secret meetings his team had already had with Sergey Kislyak? Did he reveal all the business he'd done in Russia in the 2000s? Did he reveal Putin's invitation to the Olympics, or the invitation by Putin's builder's son to meet Putin at a birthday party?
13/ Did Flynn reveal to the briefers his secret plan to drop sanctions on Russia so that Russian companies could build nuclear reactors in the Middle East (once Trump had given U.S. nuclear tech to the Saudis and Emiratis)?
14/ The briefers had just told Trump that America was under attackthat his campaign was under attack. They wanted intel that could assist in their work. And we already know what Trump told them: no deals, no business, no nothing. He *lied to law enforcement* to cover for Russia.
15/ Why did Trump withhold *everything* he knew about the Russian plotduring the presidential campaignto protect the Kremlin, even as he was being told that its crimes were ongoing? Why did he lie to U.S. law enforcement? Why did Michael Flynn? We *need* an answernow. /end
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Mueller couldn't come up with conspiracy or obstruction?
Smells real funny.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)uponit7771
(90,346 posts)kentuck
(111,098 posts)He thinks spying "did occur" but he is not ready to open an investigation on the Intelligence agencies at this time. The Inspector General is investigating at present time. Mueller likely concluded that Russia "spied" on the Trump campaign.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/us/politics/barr-trump-campaign-spying.html
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Carries about as much weight as saying "I read it on the internets."