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Normalised right wing racist nasty called out.... (Original Post) Soph0571 Apr 2019 OP
Truer words .... marble falls Apr 2019 #1
America and racism are so intertwined... MrScorpio Apr 2019 #2
Many conservatives openly speak out against affirmative consent IronLionZion Apr 2019 #3
Yes. That is a big difference between the UK and the US Soph0571 Apr 2019 #7
Yes ananda Apr 2019 #4
Strange days be these. safeinOhio Apr 2019 #5
Trump, Kavanaugh, Cosby, and Weinstein are pro-rape--according to their actions. CaptYossarian Apr 2019 #6
The media has allowed racism to be normalized. Lonestarblue Apr 2019 #8
In fairness, I think we as a society have also allowed it to be normalized, even if unknowingly. better Apr 2019 #10
Sensational tv shows like Jerry Springer used to have racists like George Lincoln Rockwell on, world wide wally Apr 2019 #9
mainstreaming racism 0rganism Apr 2019 #11
Thanks for introducing me to that term! robbob Apr 2019 #14
And much the same regarding Iraq The Mouth Apr 2019 #16
here's a video essay with a direct look at how mainstreaming bigotry works 0rganism Apr 2019 #25
Thanks for that! robbob Apr 2019 #26
THANK YOU! Yes!!! n/t TygrBright Apr 2019 #12
K&R, uponit7771 Apr 2019 #13
I wear a baseball cap that says "Make Racism Wrong Again" TeamPooka Apr 2019 #15
Beautiful! robbob Apr 2019 #17
Yes it does. I have a tee shirt that says it too. TeamPooka Apr 2019 #19
soph, Brexit is the brainchild of saidsimplesimon Apr 2019 #18
All of that....n/t Soph0571 Apr 2019 #21
I saw something somewhere that said it is because jobs are no longer connected to work, rwsanders Apr 2019 #23
What was it JFK said: saidsimplesimon Apr 2019 #27
K and R with all my heart Ferrets are Cool Apr 2019 #20
K&R athena Apr 2019 #22
and to that I say garybeck Apr 2019 #24

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
2. America and racism are so intertwined...
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:12 AM
Apr 2019

That when a black person protests against racism, a lot of people will come along and accuse that person of being against America.

Hence, where the phrase, “Go back to Africa,” comes from.

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
3. Many conservatives openly speak out against affirmative consent
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:22 AM
Apr 2019

so they might put you on with a pro-rape activist claiming feminists have castrated masculine men

Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
7. Yes. That is a big difference between the UK and the US
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:56 AM
Apr 2019

Normalising rape is not a thing in the UK in the same way. Some may try it from time to time but get shot down really quickly

ananda

(28,860 posts)
4. Yes
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:27 AM
Apr 2019

I agree that racism has been completely normalized here in America. Racist people and racist language are given a voice nearly everywhere in the media, politics, and life. Many harmful actions that are driven by racism are considered extra-legal. One example is murder by police.

Another big concern is the way rape and sexual assault are considered extra-legal for certain people who are rich, powerful, and mostly Republican -- Brett Kavanaugh and MF45 are primary examples, though certainly not the only ones. This is a very bad state of affairs and describes a big part of our post-democratic fascist world now!

safeinOhio

(32,683 posts)
5. Strange days be these.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:48 AM
Apr 2019

Racism, ignorance and uneducated is not only accepted, they are now touted by large groups. Strange days.

Lonestarblue

(9,994 posts)
8. The media has allowed racism to be normalized.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:05 AM
Apr 2019

Trump’s blatant claim from the White House after the Charlottesville murder by white nationalists that both sides have good people excused racism as a legitimate position. The media claimed outrage for a couple of days and then it became more of that attitude that it’s just Trump and he’s a different kind of president. He is an abnormal president and far too much of his outrageous behavior has just been excused as being different.

When Trump attacked political correctness, what he was attacking were the standards of civility and decency in the way we treat other people. What his supporters saw was that he approved of open racism and nasty treatment of anyone who dared to be different. The media never even challenged his claims about political correctness—it’s was just about saying Merry Christmas. Yet, when Hillary Clinton talked about the racism and nastiness of Trump and his supporters and called them deplorables (a stupid comment and unforced error), the media played that clip over and over and over. We need a fairness doctrine and we need to go back to limiting ownership of media outlets to get better news.

better

(884 posts)
10. In fairness, I think we as a society have also allowed it to be normalized, even if unknowingly.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:25 AM
Apr 2019

I often discuss the concept that one need not actually be racist in order to perpetuate racism. They need only be unaware that the beliefs upon which they base their support for policy are themselves rooted in racism, whether they share it or not. We can very easily fall victim to perpetuating racism even simply by not realizing that, how, and why we are.

And you raise an incredibly important and timely point about the intersection of the disdain for political correctness and the decline of civility and decency, along which lines I make the following observation of actual definitions:

po·lit·i·cal cor·rect·ness
/pəˈlidəkəl kəˈrek(t)nəs/
noun

the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.

tact
/takt/
noun

adroitness and sensitivity in dealing with others or with difficult issues.

The observant need not consider those definitions very long to realize that they are in very closely related, if not pretty much the same thing.

world wide wally

(21,743 posts)
9. Sensational tv shows like Jerry Springer used to have racists like George Lincoln Rockwell on,
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:08 AM
Apr 2019

but even they decided it was an unhealthy thing and have stopped giving them a microphone.

robbob

(3,530 posts)
14. Thanks for introducing me to that term!
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:02 PM
Apr 2019

Sounds very similar to what Noam Chomsky spoke about in Manufacturing Consent (late 80’s), which he referred to as the range of acceptable dissent, or something like that. One example that he illustrated very exhaustively was media discussion of the Vietnam war. The range of opinion allowed on network tv ranged from the view that the war could have been won if public support and military resources had allowed them to “finish the job” (shudder), to the view that the war was a mistake, a bad strategic move that cost America many lives and dollars. The view that was NOT ever allowed to be discussed was that the war was fundamentally, morally wrong. The wholesale slaughter of 6-10 million Vietnamese (and Cambodians, and others), many of whom were children, elderly and civilians, could not be framed as morally wrong, even evil. That view was outside the acceptable bounds of discussion, and still is to this day, in mainstream media.

The Mouth

(3,150 posts)
16. And much the same regarding Iraq
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:22 PM
Apr 2019

It is acceptable on most media to opine that it was a strategic mistake to go to war in Iraq, but if one compares the morality of killing hundreds of thousands of innocent citizens of a sovereign nation that did not attack us to similar actions taken by the Third Reich or communist China you are beyond the pale.

0rganism

(23,954 posts)
25. here's a video essay with a direct look at how mainstreaming bigotry works
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:36 AM
Apr 2019

important to note that mainstreaming is a morally neutral cultural process, and it works "both ways". the examples the narrator starts with to illustrate the concept are drawn from normalization of minority genders within society, through both alliances and movement politics, how a previously marginalized segment can become considered "normal", at least for a time.

Innuendo Studios -- The Alt-Right Playbook: Mainstreaming



so it's a bit different than what Chomsky was talking about, but definitely related. more like, how would you make the discussion of morality with respect to the Vietnam War as normal as a discussion of its economics. what's the process? how does it happen? how are online racists making use of it for their own ends?

TeamPooka

(24,226 posts)
19. Yes it does. I have a tee shirt that says it too.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:03 PM
Apr 2019

got them on amazon when I saw someone wearing the hat at the Parkland kids gun march last year.
Ordered them online while still marching in San Luis Obisbo.
Gotta love smart phones.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
18. soph, Brexit is the brainchild of
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:47 PM
Apr 2019

that dirty (needs a bath, sleeps in his clothes, reminds me of Assange) rumpian monster Steve Bannon.

All this because right wingers blame immigrants for the lack of job opportunities? Where is the movement to train and create opportunities for those who need work and do not support mob rebellion?

IMHO

rwsanders

(2,603 posts)
23. I saw something somewhere that said it is because jobs are no longer connected to work,
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:08 PM
Apr 2019

there are roads that need to be fixed, classes are too large in schools, etc., etc. But those jobs are not connected to profit.

So like most everything else, it comes down to the fact that we have a worldwide billionaire problem.
What was it JFK said: "those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable".

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
27. What was it JFK said:
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 01:37 PM
Apr 2019

"those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable".

It is in the best interests of all economic classes to promote world peace. That does not include bowing down and kissing the fat ass of the monster currently barking orders. I will resist.

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