My husband loves the major golf championships and he was rooting for Tiger. Said he'd "been through a lot" and he deserved this comeback. (meaning medical problems, back surgeries, and personal problems).

All I could think about was all the people, especially women, he'd hurt throughout his life. So I guess everyone sees a different side of him. My feeling was, let one of the new guys win it, Tiger you have already won it 4 times. I don't wish him bad luck or anything, but can't get excited about him winning at ALL. Plus he seemed to suck up to the Asshole on the golf course a short while ago.

Even had he come up short and failed to win, he still would have claimed more air time than the winner. Never been a fan. I enjoy watching golf at times but a dedicated follower of no individual golfers.

Deserve has nothing to do with it. He was the best the last four days. I rarely watch golf, but, like his first Master's win, I watched the last two holes when I saw the leaderboard flash up on my news screen.

There are some seriously dedicated, talented young golfers coming up. When the announcer said "Tiger has been through so much" I said to my son, "Yes, mostly brought on by himself" I wanted one of the other golfers to win. One I can respect, not one who has slept with other golfer's wives. I can not stand seeing Woods pout when he has a bad shot. I can understand why he gravitates to tRump. Two of a kind.

It was another prominent golfer involved with another golfer's wife.

Jason Dufner's wife. The marriage broke up.

As for sucking up to the asshole, if the President demands a game, I guess you have no choice if you want to stay in the game. Remember who wields the power in America.

In the past and forgotten.

Not much has been overcome. I wonder how many watchers of MJ today felt as I do...that a living past to this man has been completely brushed aside and we are now expected to gush over Woods' comeback.

Maybe I am expecting too much of Morning Joe. Just look at the past behavior of its co-hosts...

Joe S. is a suck-up at best. His show gave Dump the push he needed to get elected with millions of bucks worth of free air time, and I will never forgive them for that. All in the cause of "entertainment."

And btw, just like you said in the OP, the first thing that crossed my mind when I heard he had won (not a golf fan) was "I wonder how is ex and his ex-girlfriends feel about that."

The only thing that matters is making today and tomorrow better.

While their abusers are celebrated, the abused are told to “get over it.”

This poster will never get it. See his post below. Women are just supposed to suck it up an move on.

CBS morning show was about Woods victory. And it went on and on and on. I muted it quickly because of the very reason you mentioned. Sports heroes are given a behavioral pass too many instances.
Idol worship at its worst in my opinion.

You're not married to him. Why is it really any of your business?

Mine was a comment about news coverage, or lack of coverage, in a time of great proclamations on the progress of women. I was commenting on that.

It always makes me LOL here when people say they are "forced" to watch somethingon TV. Go to your local coffee shop and read a book.

I'm finding myself having to walk away from the news more and more these days. It's just gotten completely absurd and infuriating. I'm finding that taking a break for a couple of hours listening to good music and working on a hobby does wonders for one's outlook and mental health.

married and consented to the affairs. What does anyone know what he's doing now? He paid for what he did and rehabilitated himself. Why all the anger about it?

Jason Dufner another golfer. His marriage broke up because of Woods, and Mrs. Dufner. Woods KNEW she was married, too. My father cheated on my mother. I know firsthand how much grief it causes.

did. The Dufners had no children, since their marriage was short term.

She is much at fault as the man she is cheating with. Yet we only want to focus on the male cheater.

A woman who cheats is called every nasty name in the book. Men are slapped on the back, called "good ol' boys" What is the male equivalent of "slut"? "whore"? "tramp"? "prostitute"?

That is the term I use. That is what I think of Trump and his ilk.

It is rarely shared among each other. Especially with other married men who do not cheat.

Many men simply do not confront other men on the subject. It’s not what we do.

We tell our wives, though.

So maybe not so much.

He's still hanging with tRump. I don't really pay any attention to him. I'm not going to defend him though.

The fact is Woods played a great Master's tournament and no one ever expect him to win. I tire of those who think you must always be punished forever

he's lived his mistakes out in the public. We don't, luckily, have to.

but jeez, too bad about the women and men he hurt getting to where he is today. They truly just don't count...

From what I have read over the years, his ex is living a happy (and wealthy) life.

He lost a beautiful lady. Did you see any of those he cheated with like the waitress from Waffle House? I've been dumped and it hurts, then a few years later I always feel lucky to be free of that person.

Number 2: No I do not give a rat's ass who rump sleeps with or whom he cheats on. I do not care about the size or shape of his penis, information that seems to get everyone so excited here. I only care if he broke campaign laws in trying to extricate himself from the slimy mess he made.

Tiger is a celebrity, but owes the citizens of this country nothing about his personal life. The president does.

So your comment really is not relevant to the situation in my opinion.

Millions of people relished his downfall ... something I found quite disturbing. Let him build himself up again. It inspires the rest of us “sinners.”

About just about everything. It makes us a dull insufferable people, if you ask me.

Nothing against #metoo by the way.

But that too has gone a little too far overboard, when it leads to people becoming wary of making even the smallest humanizing gestures to each other.

Plus women too weak to firmly stand up for themselves in the moment need to reclaim a little of their own agency.

I find it hard to applauded as heroines of some sort woman who lacked the strength and agency to speak out in the moment and only manage to do so many many years later, especially when they could have dealt with it there and then to greater effect, if they had just been willing to put their big girl pants on and stand up for themselves.

We would call a guy who behaved that way an emasculated coward.

"so puritanical" that they voted a con man, serial cheater, tax cheat, congenital liar into the highest office in the land. Maybe Tiger would like to run next time, once tRump decides he really is not qualified for the job?? Unlike tRump, at least Woods does not cheat at golf.

Most Republicans did too in the primaries.

Republicans are mostly deluded or hypocrites when it comes to Trump because the hate dark skinned people and so-called “baby killers” more than they hate philanderers and thieves and pussy grabbers.

I vote into a black hole with no paper trail, not that a paper trail matters.

No voting machines are pulled out and independently audited.

Duh!

Getting used to it now.

He’s not owed forgiveness by anyone.

His wife is doing just fine, and I doubt she needs any pity from anyone here.

You're entirely overlooking a wide variety of circumstances that may have prevented victims of sexual assault and/or harassment from coming forward at the time. Accusers weren't as commonly believed even a decade ago, let alone in the 1970s, 80s or 90s. Some of the victims were in workplaces where such behavior was rampant and condoned by management. Some may have been supporting their families and didn't have the luxury of changing jobs, at least until a good alternative came along, which can take months, maybe years.

You condemn Americans for being judgmental and then proceed to write a post which is rife with judgment and generalizations.

The bottom line is: are the allegations true or not? It's not a question of whether the crimes committed were two days ago or 20 years ago, if the accused is guilty then an appropriate price should be paid. That's what matters.

Put you big girl/boy pants on and take control of your life.

is taking control. Doesn't matter if it's years after the fact.

Sometimes golf is just golf. Nt

until I found out he wasn't a nice person.

So why do I have to wear a collared shirt at my course but he gets to wear a turtle neck at the Masters?

When we learned golf, it was made clear that collared shirts were expected.

I do not think that I ever learned that he was a person who forced himself on women. He was just your average cheater.

He has clearly worked hard to take advantage of some athletic skill and recover from injury.

In our house we were neutral about his win. Did not bring joy or dismay. We watched some skill

But of course, we rarely watch pro golf anymore....those people who have played with Trump. There is no way to respect that.

the shirts were a throw back to his early days on the tour when he wore them of most of his major victories.

Perhaps you can't because your local course has stricter local rules. We can wear them at our course.

This change was made when Nike started supplying David Duval with the wicking T-shirt’s.

I hope this does not come as too much of a surprise, but celebrity does have its advantages.

The ladder is for men to jockey for position on the ladder. Once Tiger Woods was at the top, then he fell off, got back on the ladder, and WOW now is at the top rung again.

So the story is The Comeback Kid. How fell down the ladder or off the ladder doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if he is a better person in any other way.

All that matters is the ladder, your place on it, and that you show proper respect for the guys (its a male thing and it tend to be awkward when women climb the ladder) above you on the ladder, especially the one on the top rung. The guys above you can dump on you but you can't really dump upward because of the law of gravity.

Did you forgive them?

qualified for the position, and really DID win the vote.

However both were intelligent, surrounded themselves with QUALIFIED people and took the job seriously. They had GOOD qualities. Name one good quality tRump has? Just one? Both were respected worldwide. tRump is a laughingstock. A clown.

Someone else changed the subject. I was defending the previous Presidents against a person who obviously thinks tRump is a "good guy"

I voted for both of them (my being old and all). I didn't know about JFK's philadering when I voted for him. I did know about Clinton's and I loaded most of the blame on him as he was the most powerful man in the world and could have easily had Monica stopped before she got to his office. That said, I did not feel he should have been impeached. Impeachment is not a remedy for that purpose, IMO.

All three had a hard time keeping their pants zipped. Yet we name institutions after JFK and hold him up as one of our best Presidents. And Clinton is equally lionized in the party and the world.
So it seems only fair that we treat Woods the same as Clinton and JFK; acknowledge his achievements while ignoring his extracurricular activities. OR, we can treat Clinton and JFK like the philanderer Woods is.

He had his twitter feed full of Tiger yesterday...

but from the comments it looks like he had an affair? That’s not a big deal, honestly, and nobody’s business outside the limits of his marriage. Honestly, extra-marital affairs are sufficiently ubiquitous that getting worked up over them is more than I can muster.

Now if he harassed somebody or something similar, that’s another issue. As I said, I don’t really follow most athletes outside of a very limited real of sporting interests, so Woods could be more of an asshole than I realize.

He was (and may still be) a serial philanderer, and there were accusations of abuse from his wife. I didn't follow the story that closely--maybe someone here can fill in the blanks better than I--but it was definitely more than just "an affair".

but being a “serial philanderer” is not my business and I genuinely don’t care.

Abuse, obviously, is a different issue.

His wife was the abusive one. Chasing him with a golf club and smashing windows. For Christ sakes. He slept with waitresses who knew he was married.

abuse allegations against him. He just basically screwed everything that moved behind his wife's back.

And I apologize. No facetiousness here, just mea culpa. You're right. The stories of physical abuse I was remembering were never verified, nor even pursued.

That said, his relationships were pretty fucked up back in the day. As the child of a serial philanderer I will admit to having my own biases toward emotional and mental "issues" when marriages go so badly off the rails.

I will give him his golf game. That's all.

when she found out about the affairs.

and I don't like tiger woods.

No! Don't join in the celebration.

I have experience with betrayal and it was not a good feeling to see everyone celebrating him, and his remarks seemed a bit like
self pity. I haven't read this thread yet, so please excuse if my remarks seem irrelevant.

Maybe I'm not as familiar w/his failings as others. So he ran around on his wife, who had little ones at home? So do many men. The behavior hurts people deeply, ruins lives, and is abhorrent. But separate from his skill/talent.

You don't have to pass a character test to play golf, or box, or play tennis. Ali certainly ran around on his wives. Schwarzenegger was a player, who 2-timed gfs, while winning bodybuilding contests.

You don't have to throw dirt at him every day of the year. Just because you are not trashing his winning bubble doesn't mean that all is forgiven. It is not an either/or situation. Isn't it possible just to enjoy him coming back in his golf game?
What does his golf game talent have to do with his private life? In all his earlier wins, we didn't have to check in with his wife and kids. Why now? People may have greatness in one area of their lives. It doesn't mean they are great in EVERY area of their lives. Be inspired with the good. It doesn't mean you have lost your discriminative faculties.

really care. If the coverage I saw had limited it to that I wouldn't have written this post.

1. Who gives a shit what the "other women" were thinking? They had their fun, they were well compensated for their time and they got their 15 minutes of fame, which is probably a damn sight better that what they deserved to get...

2. The wifey got a $500 million parting gift in the divorce which means that Tiger Woods had the *most* expensive side chicks in recorded history.

3. Tiger already got asked those same questions damn near every day for 18 months after the incident...

4. It was over a decade ago... Leave it alone and move on?

I never paid any attention to those questions you reference.

But I do watch Morning Joe and learned things I never knew about this guy who I couldn't care less about. Yes, I wondered after hearing reference to the other women what they might have felt. So sue me, as the old "guys and dolls" song goes.

As you say, it was old news (for me, non news).

"A tradition unlike any other"

The dude had major issues that nearly killed him...he destroyed his life, and his image...and came back from that with a renewed focus on family and being a better person and proved that he's still an amazing athlete.

The guy seems to have made an the effort to change, and it's been years. So if you think you might be being unfair to him in the process, you might be if you aren't letting him feel happy because he made a huge mistake in the past.

Tiger Woods is a despicable human being. I knew this long before his affairs became public knowledge. I knew this because of how he treated the little people around him on a daily basis.

Tiger knew where his bread was buttered and was ALWAYS nice to the press, so they painted a positive picture of him. But the real measure of character is how you act when you think no one is watching. I worked at a convenience store near the hotel that golfers were put up for a tournament. I was told by many waitresses how Tiger would belittle them, yell at them, and stiff them with no tip on huge bills (including a $1200 meal with NO TIP). She was my friend and that messed up her tip ratio and taxes for an entire month. The same for bell hops, valets, and all the other service industry folks who did not write glowing articles about him.

He was an awful person who did awful things to a lot of “invisible” folks on the way up. To see the press ignore that still pains me.

My dad taught me to be careful who you step on as you go up, because they might step on you on the way down. Tiger’s dad apparently taught him, be nice to reporters so that they can minimize the impact of your behavior as they tell people to like you and to treat the people who do not have a microphone or sports column like dirt, because they will never matter to you or your sponsors anyway.

I can't stand people like that. I know too many people like that in real life who are all too charming and pleasant around the "right" people but treat everyone else (who can do nothing for them) like shit. It is a character trait I despise more than almost any other. People like that are complete phonies. It would explain why he worships someone like Donald Trump.

Do you have a single shred of evidence that what you just wrote is true?

Especially if it suits their purposes.

trashed just recently for stiffing his Mexican caddy after a win in Mexico. Caddy's normally get ten percent of a golfer's winnings. Kucher paid his caddy 5k after winning over a million.

It got out immediatedly and he was so shamed that he paid the caddy decently.

I'm a big golf fan and I never heard any thing of the sort you describe about Tiger. That stuff gets out if it's true.

Tiger Woods has made a lot of bad decisions in his life. It has cost him, and the people around him quite a bit. He has also had serious health problems that he has fought his way through.
I'm not interested in judging his personal life. That's up to him.
He gets to work out his problems, or not, with the ones he has hurt.
On the other hand, he has always been a charismatic player. Some people are...I can't explain that.
But I can enjoy seeing an old pro come back from injury and win the big one.
It's a Hollywood script if ever I saw one.
Way to go Tiger!

Patrick Phillips

Not your priest, spiritual guide, your godfather or your dad or some other moral guide in your life? Tiger Woods? The professional golfer who cheated on his wife with multiple consenting adults some number of years ago has got some people in a liberal discussion site gnashing their teeth and wringing their hands because his golf game is back and . . . ah f*ck it. Let’s just stone the guy and let our collective healing begin.

for god's sake, get hold of yourself...

Tiger Woods is one of the five greatest golfers ever. It's amazing to see him play and win a major tournament at age 43.

I do not look to athletes or celebrities for my moral guidance. Equally important, I'm not the least bit interested in their personal lives.

Yesterday's accomplishment shows his resilience in many ways. He rebuilt his life after hitting rock bottom. What kind of person he is deep down inside now - I don't know him to make that call.

But, winning that title the way he did was impressive. That does not mean all is forgiven for those he hurt along the way in the past and it is up to them to handle that part. That doesn't mean others can't have an opinion but forgiveness is not mine to give.

I can't remember all the details but I thought Elin attacked him and then he went out got in his car and crashed into a tree.

If she had killed him, would you still be crying for her?

I don't care if he cheated with a 100 women, she shouldn't have abused him. And none of these women were victims. They were adults and the relationships were consensual.

But maybe he is both a hero and a punk at the same time. It happens.

This thread has lost touch with what I wrote...

Heat, kitchens, etc.

His father also has a measure of blame here (maybe his mother to).

I'm not a golf fan (other than my car) so I really don't know...but seems I have not seen any humbleness and contrition...but maybe I just haven't paying attention.

Every darned station is playing this like he's some sort of hero. He's no hero in my mind.

I am a little shocked at how casually some folks are acting like Tiger did something awful and unforgivable. This has nothing to do with the metoo movement. Tiger cheated ran around on his wife. He did not sexually assault someone nor sexually harass anyone. He was a cad. An adulterer. Something that millions in this country male and female are guilty of.

Something that has always troubled me was how overwhelming the downfall and fall from grace was for a very common thing with rich beautiful male and female celebrities. And it was a 100 percent race related due to golf being still a white man’s sport. The pre MAGA crowd back in the day were all over it and the reaction was over the top from fans and the media. You think Tiger was only sports star with kids who has got divorced the last 10 years due to infidelity? Of course not.

Yet here we are discussing if he should be forgiven because of “all the women” he mis treated like he was a monster.

I totally agree. Couldn't have said it better myself.

There is always a woman involved who willingly did so with the cheater. The numerous women who cheated with Woods knew he was married and still engaged in a relationship with him. So they are just as much at fault as Woods.

Woods hurt his family. That was on him. If man cheats with another man's wife that is as much on her as with the cheater.

The point is, women are as much to blame as men. They are not innocent. If a women is stupid enough to cheat with a married man, she is a fool. Yet the focus seems to be only on the man. That smacks of women still being a man's "property".

It is not up to us to forgive him. It is up to the immediate people he hurt to do so. His personal life has nothing to do with his golf skills.

Obviously he needs to be ostracized for the remainder of his life.

Celebrate the skill at golf, if that means anything. I don't think the word "hero" applies.

I was rooting for Molinari.

I give Jon Rahm the "sounds like the golf game of JustABozoOnThisBus" award, for using the word "motherfucker" on a live mic after an errant tee shot.

That is what I call it.

that is all I am interested in. Richard Wagner's music was banned in Israel but now it is being played sometimes. When I talk about Tiger and golf and I say that he has many problems that might keep another player sidelined, I am talking about medical problems. There have been many sports figures who outside of sports were no better than Tiger, but I hear less of their misdeeds. I don't want to be banned so I won't say why.

While he romanced and bedded his model wife, his then actress girlfriend was impregnated and carrying his child...yet I don't recall this kind of hate being freely tossed at him in February when the Patriots won again.

Hmmm...isn't it odd that the white guy cheater gets a pass and the black / mixed race guy cheater has to be in sackcloth and ashes forever? Funny how that seems to work in the USA...

The fact that he treated the mother of his first child like dirt was only one of them. I can't stand the guy. I actually like Tiger better than Tom Brady. Something about Brady's smug attitude and complete lack of humor just rubs me the wrong way.