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babylonsister

(171,066 posts)
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:45 AM Apr 2019

This Tax Day, Some Truckers are Unhappy with Trump


This Tax Day, Some Truckers are Unhappy with Trump
The 2017 tax overhaul is hitting long distance drivers with unexpected bills.
Hannah Levintova


Last month, Dennis Bridges, a CPA who runs an accounting firm just north of Atlanta, had to break bad news to a client. Bridges specializes in doing taxes for truck drivers around the country, and this tax season he’s had to tell dozens of truckers that after years of being able to count on receiving tax refunds that they in fact would owe thousands of dollars. This particular client from New York owed $4,000. It could have been worse: about 20 percent of Bridges’ trucking clients have owed more than $5,000.

When Bridges’ firm called the driver to deliver the news, the line first went silent. Then the driver “went into a panic,” Bridges recalls. “He was just asking, ‘Where on earth am I going to get the money to pay this thing?'” For years, he had received an annual refund in the ballpark of $1,500.

“I thought Trump was giving us a tax cut. And where the heck is it?”


“They got screwed,” says Kevin Rutherford, a small fleet owner who hosts Trucking Business and Beyond, a daily satellite radio show, and also runs an accounting service geared to drivers. After the tax bill became law in late 2017, Rutherford asked his clients and radio listeners for their 2017 and projected 2018 tax data. Using their numbers, he ran about 50 scenarios, finding that for “most company drivers, losing the per diem would mean they’re going to pay more tax.” Only a handful of scenarios came “close or about even” to the filers’ past returns. “It depends on how many kids they have and a couple other things, but for the most part, it was a pretty big loss,” he says.

Trucking is a popular vocation, employing about 3.5 million drivers nationwide, making it, by some counts, the most common job in 29 states. While all but three of those states went to Donald Trump in 2016, the tax overhaul enacted by the president and the GOP Congress in 2017 hit American truck drivers hard by stripping a key exemption for dining and living expenses while on the road. Millions of long-haul drivers employed by trucking companies are finding themselves slapped with massive and unexpected tax bills, according to accountants, professional trucking associations, and drivers.

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https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/04/trump-tax-bill-truckers-truck-drivers-deduction/
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This Tax Day, Some Truckers are Unhappy with Trump (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2019 OP
I'm in that group but I still got a refund A HERETIC I AM Apr 2019 #1
I thought of you and a few others at DU. babylonsister Apr 2019 #2
What was your tax this year vs. last year (not prying, a % would do). A refund is only.... George II Apr 2019 #20
I appreciate you typing all that out, but I'm well aware of what the refund is A HERETIC I AM Apr 2019 #25
Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #3
The House was in control of the Republicans when that tax bill was written katmondoo Apr 2019 #4
That should say January 2019 marylandblue Apr 2019 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author JayhawkSD Apr 2019 #6
I stand corrected. nt JayhawkSD Apr 2019 #10
+1,000 Delmette2.0 Apr 2019 #13
Trump supported it and signed it. yellowcanine Apr 2019 #7
A Little Research Appears In Order ProfessorGAC Apr 2019 #9
Fuckin, Truckin Trump. rgbecker Apr 2019 #8
Driving keithbvadu2 Apr 2019 #19
This applies to employees, not owner operators Cicada Apr 2019 #11
Google says about 10% of 3.5 million truckers are owner operators. rgbecker Apr 2019 #15
This change also hurts air employees Cicada Apr 2019 #29
Deal with it... Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #12
Cost them their life savings durablend Apr 2019 #16
Drives libruls crazy keithbvadu2 Apr 2019 #17
Yeah, they sure pwned us libruls! Dave Starsky Apr 2019 #18
Truckin... down to Mar a Lago... Blue Owl Apr 2019 #14
I believe one of the main reasons anyone over 40 years of age Mr. Evil Apr 2019 #21
i agree. barbtries Apr 2019 #24
Oh, no. They didn't realize they were losing the per diem exemption? Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #22
"Trucking industry support helps propel Donald Trump to victory in 2016 presidential race" Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #23
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Crunchy Frog Apr 2019 #26
I have been a trucker for 22 years littlebit Apr 2019 #27
We take truckers for granted in this country...IMHO Thomas Hurt Apr 2019 #28

A HERETIC I AM

(24,368 posts)
1. I'm in that group but I still got a refund
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:54 AM
Apr 2019

The per diem for me amounted to about $14,000 in 2017 but I had a change in filing status so even though I lost that deduction, I still got a refund.

Not sure how it will work out for me next year though.

Truckers weren’t the only ones to lose that either.

Anyone involved in the transportation industry, from pilots to railroad workers that are affected by hours of service regulations and spend nights away from home lost it.

babylonsister

(171,066 posts)
2. I thought of you and a few others at DU.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:08 AM
Apr 2019

Glad you weren't effected this year. Maybe knowing where the tax grenades are will help you avoid them.

George II

(67,782 posts)
20. What was your tax this year vs. last year (not prying, a % would do). A refund is only....
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:58 AM
Apr 2019

....based on how much already paid in vs. actual tax liability.

For example:

2017 $5000 tax liability, $4500 withheld, net payment of $500
2018 $5500 tax liability, $6000 withheld, net refund of $500

Although the 2018 refund is higher, the tax in 2018 is $500 more than 2017, and increase of 10%. All the analysts on television talk about "refund" vs. actual tax. Many Americans are paying a higher tax, regardless of their "refund".

A HERETIC I AM

(24,368 posts)
25. I appreciate you typing all that out, but I'm well aware of what the refund is
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:03 PM
Apr 2019

The answer to your question is;

I don’t know off hand and since I use TurboTax and my login info is saved on my desktop PC, I can’t access old returns on the road, which is where I am as I type this.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

katmondoo

(6,457 posts)
4. The House was in control of the Republicans when that tax bill was written
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:16 AM
Apr 2019

The Democrats just gained control in January of 2018

Response to katmondoo (Reply #4)

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
7. Trump supported it and signed it.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:25 AM
Apr 2019

So he owns it. And it was a Republican House and Senate which passed it. So the Republicans own it also.

ProfessorGAC

(65,042 posts)
9. A Little Research Appears In Order
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:26 AM
Apr 2019

The dems have run the house for less than 3 months.
Given that irrefutable fact, you sure you want to stick with that opinion?

rgbecker

(4,831 posts)
8. Fuckin, Truckin Trump.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:25 AM
Apr 2019

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Cicada

(4,533 posts)
11. This applies to employees, not owner operators
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:28 AM
Apr 2019

The itemized deduction for unreimbursed employee business expenses has been repealed for federal returns for the years 2018;through 2025. My state still permits employee costs. And those truckers who work for themselves are not employees so they continue to get this deduction.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
29. This change also hurts air employees
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:02 PM
Apr 2019

The airlines tend to reimburse for meals during travel but less than the per diem rate allowed by the IRS so pilots etc have gotten a lesser benefit. Also traveling salesmen, some construction workers. Here in California a fishing crew on a California boat fishing off Ecuador got venereal disease in a whorehouse in Ecuador. The workers compensation board ruled that was a work injury and granted them worker compensation benefits.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
18. Yeah, they sure pwned us libruls!
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:35 AM
Apr 2019

They can have a good yuk-yuk about it with their families over a bowl of thin broth with a piece of pork fat floating in it.

Mr. Evil

(2,844 posts)
21. I believe one of the main reasons anyone over 40 years of age
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:28 PM
Apr 2019

Last edited Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:19 PM - Edit history (1)

voted for this monster should've known what he was about. It seems that those that voted for him put aside whatever reasoning to do the right thing and vote for the obviously more qualified candidate aside and voted for him. I can think of only one main reason they did that. Racism and bigotry in one form or another.They obviously didn't give a diddly damn about his multiple frauds, bankruptcies, cheating, lawsuits and failures. All giant red flags, so...

barbtries

(28,795 posts)
24. i agree.
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:41 PM
Apr 2019

that's why it makes me a little crazy when my sister protests to me that she isn't a racist. of course she is.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
22. Oh, no. They didn't realize they were losing the per diem exemption?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:33 PM
Apr 2019

Did no one tell them?

NEVER go by "refund." Go by an estimated tax amount.

The deduction for federal tax can change. It's irrelevant. What matters is the AMOUNT you will probably owe for the year. THEN you can look at how much is being prepaid by you, to see if you'll have to pay or will get a refund.

I feel for them. These aren't wealthy workers. These are blue collar workers, most with families. Driving a truck is tedious, dangerous work. They've earned their money.

I wonder why the per diem exemption was taken away? Makes no sense.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
23. "Trucking industry support helps propel Donald Trump to victory in 2016 presidential race"
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:37 PM
Apr 2019
Not only did Trump garner broad support from truck drivers, he also secured more in financial campaign contributions from the trucking industry, whose political spending is largely made up of bigger carriers and fleet-backed lobbyists.

https://www.ccjdigital.com/trucking-industry-support-helps-propel-donald-trump-to-victory-in-2016-presidential-race/

littlebit

(1,728 posts)
27. I have been a trucker for 22 years
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:45 PM
Apr 2019

I got a refund this year. But it was about a 1/4 of what I have gotten in the past.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
28. We take truckers for granted in this country...IMHO
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:50 PM
Apr 2019

Cops, firefighters, docs, nurses and teachers get props, but truckers are largely anonymous.

Another blue collar crowd Trump has s*it on.

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