Fairness Doctrine back will we be able to do something about it

Why do we assume that the economic power of 60, 70 , or in the case of some cities 90% of the population can do NOTHING?

This is not a free speech issue. It's an issue of the 30 or 40% controlling the airways and using them to destroy the majority.

Could hate radio survive without the economic power of blue states and cities?

If they can survive with just the economics of Dumbfuckistan 'Murika... let them try

Including just retiring from 30 years in the Navy.

What have you done?

...and learned not to worry about things not worth worrying about.

RW Talk Radio doesn't convert people to conservative; they were already there.

and meet people in most of the state, not just in the urban coastal areas. Our state is not nearly as progressive or liberal as advertised, or fantasized.

since Trump I've even found a few people I grew up with here in Oakland to be as virlent bigoted racists as their Maximum leader. Didn't Rush get his big talk radio shot at at Sacremento station?

With only Dumbfuckistan 'Murika if they can.

"I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It"

Evelyn Beatrice Hall (not Voltaire)

If there was no audience, there would be no advertisers, no advertisers = no revenue.

I firmly believe that debate is far more effective than demonizing and dehumanizing.
Being called names and insulted isn't going to bring anyone around to our side.

Without this unchallenged propaganda, the bullshit conservative movement would wither and die.

Ignoring it and throwing up our hands and saying nothing can be done is what they rely on.

From Nazi Germany to Rwanda, we have evidence of where this unchallenged propaganda leads to.

and disallow ads that challenge their wing-nut ideology.

I've heard that the public owns the airwaves, but I don't understand what that means, given the dire situation of hate radio dominating both AM & FM channels.

That you feel we should just escort the fox into the henhouse

But I also support boycotting and protesting hatemongers, racists, thieves and liars.

I'm sure you'd do nothing if someone setup shop outside your house with a bullhorn and screamed 24/7 that you were an anti-american terrorist who should be destroyed because of your political beliefs.

Hate-radio does that in my neighborhood and every neighborhood in America.

so there’s very little economic incentive to cater to our preferences. You can march up and down the sidewalk outside of KFI all you want, but odious fucks like John and Ken pay the bills in a way that a more liberal set of hosts would not.

California is a liberal state with plenty of conservative citizens living here. If their listening habits support these stations sufficient to generate advertising income then that’s just the way it is. I don’t want to live in a nation where one side - even if it’s my own side - determines what can or cannot be broadcast.

And seriously, for all their ranting blue state hate radio doesn’t seem to accomplish much; how often do Republicans win state-wide elections in California? Pro-tip: they don’t.

Factoid: Rush Limbaugh went national the same month and year the Fairness Doctrine was repealed.

Rush Limbaugh honed his skills in hate radio at KFBK in Sacramento, Calif, before going national, and wants to make 05 August a national holiday.

The FCC adopted its order repealing the Fairness Doctrine on August 5, 1987. Limbaugh did not go national until August 1988.

What's a measly year in the bigger scheme of things?

Thanks for the correction, and truth be told, I wasn't aware when his show actually went into syndication because we were already being bombarded by his daily screeds. Hell, there was scarcely a blue collar business in the Sacramento Valley that didn't have their radios dialed into his show; people who never gave politics a second thought were suddenly authorities. Scary, how much influence he wielded, and how he did it.

When my mom was working in radio there was a big radio station with a prominent sign out front, nice lobby, etc. Out back there was a big antenna, stand-by generator, various sheds, cars, trucks, the works. Inside the station there were local sales people and news people with actual offices, and disk jockeys in the studios. It was a lot like WKRP.

Now it's likely a local radio station operates out of a "business suite" post office box. If there's a physical address, it's out in some forgotten industrial park behind a roll-up metal door. Any local sales people come to you, and any local talent operates out of home studios. The actual broadcast antenna is out in a field or up on a mountain somewhere, shared by multiple broadcasters, and maintained by contractors.

If I was emperor I'd restrict traditional broadcast radio and television to 51% local content or more, 100% local advertising, and send all the corporate crap, national hate and religious radio included, to satellite and the internet.

just like Christian Broadcasters, Sinclair with TV stations, etc.

Seattle has THREE hate-radio stations, and the serious "all news" station features a toxic malcontent who spends 4 hours mid-day bashing government in general and Seattle government in specific.

that's right when most retirees, tradespeople, and delivery drivers are listening to the radio.

Liberals listen in the morning and night on their way home, to the soothing centrist tones of NPR, where Republicans are just as reasonable as Democrats.

Was progressive 24/7 had high ratings got a lot of local advertisers. Then in 2010 the station was replaced by right wing shit glen blecch, rump and hatity. When we called to complain the person on the line said too bad clear channel made us change the format.

This was in liberal San Francisco. At that point I stopped listening to radio but then in late 2011 I got Sirius in my car and got my progressive talk radio back but for a price.

It's a perfect example of the power of free speech.

Let them spew their racist shit in Dumbfuckistan 'Murika. Blue city residents don't have to be docile and silent while a fucking radio station smears and dehumanizes them.

Your comment:

" Excize Them!!!"

And you are free to protest in front of your nearest so-called hate radio station but I doubt you will. You also could engage in peaceful civil disobedience by handcuffing yourself to the front door of such a radio station or go on a hunger strike to draw attention to your cause but again, I doubt you will because this isn't that important of an issue to you for you to risk arrest, starving or taking time away from weekend leisure activities.

They could provide something other than hate filled crap and may provide some ballance and maybe the boycotts and protests would stop.

Hell, they may even go back to serving and reflecting the values of the communities they are supposed to serve.

Imagine that.

If it was, you'd be engaging in peaceful civil disobedience or at the very least, actually protesting and making the news that way to draw attention to your cause.

Rhetoric and actions taken should match. There's a big disconnect between what you say and what you do.

Can you imagine MLK just writing letters to the editor?

by listening to talk radio. They listen to talk radio BECAUSE they’re racist assholes. Taking away Limbaugh won’t change them one bit.

it's that propaganda doesn't work

...with any of the groups who track such things. It's been a number of years since I checked their online maps, but my state of California has always had a robust segment of nuts and hate groups, even along the coast.

It's the reason I will never support the partition of California into multiple states. Unlike the fantasies of outsiders who think we'll get 6 Democratic Senators out if the deal, I know full well that we will get 4 Republicans and 2 Democrats, because once you leave the coast, California is pretty "red."

Let them operate on the economies of Dumbfuckistan, California... not San Francisco and Los Angeles

Sinclair and I think one other. It's pretty bad nationally. Check your local broadcasting area and see how much independence is actually left.

Violence is never the proper recourse to hate...in this case, neither is legislation. The stations' sources of revenue must be attacked, economically. Their sponsors need to be boycotted and shamed publicly for associating with racism and hatred. It works.