more of an international embarrassment than he already was but, once again he has proven me wrong.

The Idiot's Association of America....IAA...is offended by anyone including Donald Trump as a member of our Association............
...We, in the Association, have very high standards for ..."Idiots"...and Mr. Trump does not meet those standards....There is another association which Trump belongs in...."Stupid, Selfish, Idiots of America.


Please refer him to that one. We will not take him under any circumstances...@@

Why would it be any more destructive than water shooting from fire hoses? It was what I thought of when I saw the fire. It seemed logical to me that it could be effective. How more damaging could it be than an uncontrollable fire raging through a more than thousand years old structure. Regardless of your religious beliefs, it is a terrible loss. My condolences to the French. I wonder if it can be rebuilt and at what cost? Is it feasible?

Coming down from a tanker. Also, the aim would be less precise. Notre Dame is in the middle of Paris. Too much danger for the surrounding areas.

I briefly considered a big water dump as an option. But then an American firefighter on ABC News explained that the weight of a large amount of water delivered in that way would damage the building even before it extinguished the flames. It's easy to forget that water has weight when you think of it simply as a liquid that can put out a fire.

1- The weight of the water would crush the structure
2- If you miss, you'll hit pedestrians with the same weight

...of water that would cause it to be much more damaging. Water is between 8-10 lbs per gallon depending on what system is used. 500/1000 gallons dropped (a minimum amount) would be equivalent to 4000-10000 lbs.

Coupled with the force of the water being used by the hoses on the ground, the structural pressures of an old building - even one of massive stone like ND - would undergo tremendous structural strain. All anyone need do is look at a photo of the Grand Canyon and be able to appreciate what the force of water (among other things) does to things over time, let alone in one frantic dump onto an architectural historical wonder from the 12th Century.

As others said it's the weight of the volume of that water but also notice that even when they are dropping for forest firest they aren't dropping right on top of the flames. Helicopters will come in and make pink point drops but for the most part tankers are used to stop the spread. They drop from a higher altitude and let the water and/order retardent disburse to create a fire line. The point isn't always to put the trees that are buring out, it's to stop it from spreading.

State of the art in CA firefighting involves landing tanker planes on reservoirs or the sea, using the motion of the plane to force water into the cargo hold to be dropped onto the fire. The plane never stops moving.

There are likely reservoirs around Paris, but the sea is some distance away, and this whole premise assumes they have comparable aircraft.

Seems to me that a helicopter could drop the water or some type of chemical on the fire from a altitude and with the proper dispersal system to help put out the fire totally mitigating concern for any possible damage. This is like telling me that we could not simulate rain fall which everyone is hoping for in the case of forest fires since we are addressing a small area. It would appear to me that that would greatly lower the temperature and also help protect areas that have not ignited. I searched the internet and believe that some other methods should be explored outside of the box.

It's one thing using something like that on a wild fire. Quite another using something that uncontrollable on a fire in the middle of a major city.

Once the ancient wood, in that structure, started to burn, I seriously doubt there was any hope of extinguishing it.

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Including fighting Cathedral fires?

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A smug asshole who is an expert on everything. There is nothing he can't or won't mansplain.

He quit mansplaining to me after one rather contentious Thanksgiving.

Think about it...Trump, no expert on fires, tells the Paris Fire Department, that is there right now, on how to fight a fire in an historic building..

.............total embarrassment to the United States, as well as the world........
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You can't make this shit up. He really thinks he's smarter than everybody else. In reality, he's a nincompoop.

As I know he will.

Trump is an international embarrassment. Or as he likes to bellow, "a disgrace!"

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but giant fans make a lot of noise, and that causes cancer!

"they could have saved it"

yeah, because this ass knows more than anyone about anything.

like he was at the fire though he was just watching his propaganda channel. The guy is sickening & his disgusting behavior hurts the entire country. There isn't a lot of options when it comes to saving a historic building like this, fighting the fire in a way that doesn't do further damage may be a lost cause at this point.

"…and then when they built the Notre Dame it became known as the second-tallest, and now it’s the tallest."

That he's not the top story in the news right now. But what about meeeeeeeee!

Pushed off the front page by a stupid old building that doesn't even have gold toilets or anything.

"My father always wanted to be the corpse at every funeral, the bride at every wedding, and the baby at every christening."

Alice Roosevelt Longworth quotes

Very good description.

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Why they aren’t taking advantage of Trump’s big brain is beyond me. It’s a disgrace.

Trump once again demonstrates his profound ignorance. Even a 5th grader knows that water has mass and weight, specifically 8.3 pounds per gallon. So dropping 1000 gallons of water on a building is equivalent to dropping a 4 ton bomb on a building. Stupid is as stupid does. And this man is dangerously stupid.

Trump probably thought they should detonate an explosive device inside the church to create a vacuum, and starve the fire of oxygen. He probably saw a movie clip where they did that, or maybe even remembered some news footage from the first Gulf War where this was done to extinguish the fires set to the oil wells.

But quick-thinking Trump thought only of everyone's safety, and realized an explosion might...just maybe, almost possibly, so you're saying there's a chance...cause unintended consequences. His large brain, capable of processing the best ideas, decided that dropping a few tons of water from above was definitely a better course of action.

What would the world do without this amazing sage?

would have been that they should have done a better job of raking it.

Now I will.

What about using rakes?

Trump pointed out that CA didn't maintain and clean the forest floor, leading to the massive forest fires recently. Maybe he'll point this out to France, as well. He's helpful that way.

You have that right!

...a very sad truth.

Should be doozy...

Just such an utter complete embarrassment.

tRump proves the world right!

Fires in the upper stories and roofs were spreading. Seem ironic in a flood, but it was a huge problem and great concern that people were trapped with no way for firefighters to reach them.

I'm not sure if they were practical in that situation either, but I recall it was discussed.

if Trump tries to build a hotel there.

Except, of course, our inbread gop base.

for dump to 'recommend' rakes at some point...

minus his deplorable despicable fanatics.