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Let's say that Trump is impeached. And let's say, miracle of miracles, we can get to 67 votes in the Senate for conviction.
There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits Trump from running in 2020 even after removal. Trump has a 90% approval rating among Republicans. Pence is a poodle and would probably consent to running again on the Trump ticket. There is no way he is not nominated.
All we need to do is concentrate on 2020 and vote him out. Empower the voters to be the final word. Put our faith in the General Election.
Let's keep our eye on the ball. Nancy Pelosi only wants one thing, a 2020 Democratic victory at every level. She's not trying to position herself in a primary lane to get the Presidential nomination, like Warren is. Listen to wisdom, not emotion.
manor321
(3,344 posts)Impeachment is required.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)Chin music
(23,002 posts)And pretty much everyday ever since. Personally.
manor321
(3,344 posts)https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-2/section-4/impeachment
louis c
(8,652 posts)...now explain to me who becomes president if Trump's impeached, is it Clinton?
Oh, it's Pence. What a fucking gain that is for us.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)louis c
(8,652 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)If you don't even know the basic facts about impeachment, perhaps you should refrain from posting about it.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... don't get snippy, just state facts
Irishxs
(622 posts)I stand by Nancys view-This is better served at the ballot box.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)But I don't see her stopping her committee chairs from pursuing investigations that could lead to Impeachment.
Do you? Her tamping-down-of-expectations is TACTICAL.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)msongs
(67,420 posts)"I don't like him so impeach". there have to be specific charges (though not necessarily criminal)
because the senate will conduct a trial on those charges only
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)an investigation into that assistance. Elizabeth Warren laid it out best. It's much worse than Watergate.
louis c
(8,652 posts)PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)their own ears, good luck with your republic.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Its in the Mueller Report. Knee-jerk my eye.
lame54
(35,294 posts)That is basically a roadmap to impeachment
Nothing knee-jerk about this
rainin
(3,011 posts)He does not deserve to be a "Former President" with all that entails. He is a fraud and a cheat. He should be in jail. Impeachment says the Democrats believe in rule of law. If we do nothing, we deserve to be called spineless. And I'm tired of the accusation that dems are weak.
flor-de-jasmim
(2,125 posts)somehow guarantee that Trump would not win, perhaps an argument could be made to just let the election run its course. But even so, it would send a message that if a system is corrupt enough, it is tolerated because "elections are coming, after all". It is up to the House to make the point that the situation is intolerable. The rest are just various remedies post-facto.
louis c
(8,652 posts)rufus dog
(8,419 posts)google that
louis c
(8,652 posts)...and not tilt at windmills. I'm funny like that.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)rufus dog
(8,419 posts)Dems get the wimp label because of things like this. Repukes including tRump will taunt them for not impeaching. Joe six pack likes the tough guy, you want to win Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania? Impeach the asshole.
Knock the bully down, stomp on his chest and don't apologize.
louis c
(8,652 posts)the only talk of impeachment was from the Republicans. they want to know if the Dems are stupid enough to take the bait.
lame54
(35,294 posts)For seeing an opening(which we did not have at the midterms) that the MR has given us
louis c
(8,652 posts)...then try to prove a point.
Let's play this out. I'm for hearings. We don't have to call them impeachment hearings. That get's all the information out to the public. We are already in election season. We completely discredit Republicans, but we don't have to rely on a single Repuke vote to carry out our plan.
The other way is we impeach with a bare majority in the House. There is a Senate trial, well into election season. We need 20 Repuke Senators to remove Trump from office. It's like saying, "we know better. We can't leave this up to the people's vote". We maybe get 5 Republicans and fall 15 votes short of conviction in the Senate. Trump heads into the General Election with a major victory and we have made Trump a sympathetic figure.
Plan 1 has no risk. The info comes out, we continue to talk about kitchen table issues. We don't put our candidates in a problem position.
Naturally, we are all anonymous here, so I don't know anything about you. However, I'm going to guess that Nancy Pelosi is far more politically savvy than you are. So, please don't be offended if I take her advice over yours.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)That would more than likely be part of the deal were he removed.
JuJuYoshida
(2,215 posts)J_William_Ryan
(1,755 posts)Removing Trump through the impeachment process in no manner benefits the Nation Pence is as bad as Trump, if not worse.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)I'll take a mortally-wounded Pence over Raging Asshole any day of the week.
Solomon
(12,311 posts)Raven123
(4,849 posts)I simply dont think it deserves a lot of space in any presidential candidates campaign. I hope the MSM stops asking every bleeping candidate whether they think Trump should be impeached. I agree with Pelosi. Talk about that which will improve American lives. Take the Mueller investigation, and I do agree with pushing for the unredacted version, and use it to propose changes to minimize foreign campaign interference, tighten up those laws that Mueller felt limited his ability to conduct a proper investigation of the President, and by all means speak out in favor of abolishing the Electoral College. There are many positive moves Dems can make for 2020 and beyond.
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)They knew what they were doing. They made sure they couldn't be traced when it got heavy.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)As for conviction, blame it on the Republican Senate for REFUSING to hold accountable a Criminal So-Called President. Run on that for the 2020 election and win.
Hiding in the corner makes us look like cowards. Afraid to hold a Criminal President, accountable for actions against our Democracy and Nation.
IMPEACH HIM!!!
It's the houses duty to impeach and we will lose voters if they don't.
louis c
(8,652 posts)...because the House doesn't impeach, we deserve the government we get for being that stupid.
Everyone hears it every election. If this candidate or that candidate wins, I'm leaving this country.
Well, I really do have a house (on 25 acres) that my wife and I built in another country (Philippines. I know, Dutarte's not much better. However, their president serves a single, 6 year term and can't succeed himself, and he'll be out in 2020). We have no children or grandchildren, so leaving is real easy.
If Democrats don't give a fuck who's president, I surely care less. I will vote for the Democrat, but I have an escape plan.
Fullduplexxx
(7,865 posts)louis c
(8,652 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,865 posts)Lose to trump in 2020 . And what if trump wins because he wasn't impeached and therefore feels emboldened
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Yes, I don't think of anything off the top of my head that disqualifies an impeached POTUS. So long as he did not have two terms. Now you'd think re-election of such a person would be impossible. But everything seems to work for the Dotard.
On reading: it does disqualify him! Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
sarabelle
(453 posts)What can it hurt? Trump already has a solid 90% GOP in his corner. Impeach him and let it be part of his legacy. "So let it be done. So let it be written."
qdouble
(891 posts)Stop worrying about 2020, there is nothing saying that if we don't impeach trump we will be more likely to win. Do what is right and impeach him for his crimes.
ecstatic
(32,712 posts)meadowlander
(4,399 posts)is because he is in office. The second he is out of office, he can be prosecuted.
And he's not going to win a campaign (even if he ran), while he is in the middle of standing trial for campaign finance violations, bribery and bank fraud.
Liberal In Texas
(13,556 posts)putting out more crazy executive orders and other things the repubs do to turn us into another pre-war Germany, a theocracy or an oligraphy.
At least start with investigations. Bring out the crimes to the light of day.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)And suck all other oxygen from the room.
You know, the things like healthcare that won us the house last year.
Keep investigating and bringing out new shit.
But that just cant be what we do from now to the election. We have to make this election about policy. If we do, we win.
If it is about Trump, I am not sure. Nancy clamped down in Impeachment talk last fall, focused like a laser on policy, and we won the house.
This, in my opinion is the ticket to getting rid of Trump.
watoos
(7,142 posts)Next question.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Next question.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Ahpook
(2,750 posts)Can we trust our elections to not select this blight, again?
Every angle is sewed up!
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)ooky
(8,924 posts)I've been on the side of being careful not to be seen as reacting in a partisan way that mobilizes the right at the ballot box. But I'm guessing that when Pelosi has seen enough of the less redacted report and ensuing investigations that she'll reach the conclusion that this president has behaved so badly that she has no choice but to impeach him.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Sure he deserves it, but we have to think practically. If the country hates him that bad they will also hate the Republicans and we have a chance to win a landslide election. If we impeach, and we will not get conviction, it just continues Partisan back-and-forth.
Thats just my opinion, sincere people may disagree.
ooky
(8,924 posts)Continue our investigations and use that time to try to test which way the political winds will start blowing. At this point its not exactly obvious how impeachment would impact the election. Maybe it will become more clear in time. Not doing what he absolutely deserves could also cost us in the election. The pressure to do our constitutional duty regardless of election implications just may be too great to ignore in the end.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)if we don't impeach, Barr is not going to turn over the grand jury testimony, take that prediction to the bank. The grand jury testimony is where all of the juicy information is. The only way we see the grand jury testimony is to impeach. Barr already said that Nadler's subpoena was premature. Barr is stalling until it gets close to the election.
Secondly, Barr and trump are not going to sit back and play defense. Barr said it, he is going to investigate the FBI and "Democrats" who led a witch hunt against Donald Trump. Want to know what he means by "Democrats?" He is going to investigate Hillary Clinton again and put her on the ballot in 2020.
Doing nothing is risking that Democrats look weak and suppresses our turnout.
Drastic times call for drastic measures.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
Thekaspervote
(32,778 posts)pecosbob
(7,541 posts)to bring non-voters to the polls. A public spectacle on the floor with Michael Cohen would do much to wedge loose many borderline Trump voters IMO. We've sat here and taken it in the kiester from Republicans' criminal behavior from Reagan to Bush to Bush Jr. and now from Trump. Let the candidates hold fast to their PR strategies and refuse to let the MSM dictate the topic and keep the campaigns focused on Dems plans for the future.