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louis c

(8,652 posts)
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:31 PM Apr 2019

Has Everyone Thought This Imeachment Call Through?

Let's say that Trump is impeached. And let's say, miracle of miracles, we can get to 67 votes in the Senate for conviction.

There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits Trump from running in 2020 even after removal. Trump has a 90% approval rating among Republicans. Pence is a poodle and would probably consent to running again on the Trump ticket. There is no way he is not nominated.

All we need to do is concentrate on 2020 and vote him out. Empower the voters to be the final word. Put our faith in the General Election.

Let's keep our eye on the ball. Nancy Pelosi only wants one thing, a 2020 Democratic victory at every level. She's not trying to position herself in a primary lane to get the Presidential nomination, like Warren is. Listen to wisdom, not emotion.

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Has Everyone Thought This Imeachment Call Through? (Original Post) louis c Apr 2019 OP
Impeachment can be done so that holding future office is impossible. manor321 Apr 2019 #1
How, exactly? n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #47
Google Elizabeth Warren eom PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #2
I thought it through about Feb. 2016. Chin music Apr 2019 #3
Please learn the facts manor321 Apr 2019 #4
I stand corrected... louis c Apr 2019 #13
Pence is better than Putin's whore currently in office. uponit7771 Apr 2019 #21
67 Senators. louis c Apr 2019 #27
already debunked uponit7771 Apr 2019 #28
No, 67 Senators is reality. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #58
Effects of 67 senators on votes have been debunked ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #61
Fix it at the ballot box. Irishxs Apr 2019 #5
That's what she says her view is, RIGHT NOW maxsolomon Apr 2019 #14
Nancy isn't standing by that any longer, Nancy is now saying one step at a time uponit7771 Apr 2019 #22
lots of knee-jerk calls for it, even before the latest evidence is digested. impeachment is not msongs Apr 2019 #6
He willingly accepted assistance from a foreign adversary and did not report it. He then obstructed PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #12
67 Senators. louis c Apr 2019 #15
If they don't agree he did this with the proof in the Mueller report and hearing testimony with PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #20
Which means nothing at best uponit7771 Apr 2019 #24
12 attempts to obstruct and 140 contacts with Russia and WikiLeaks BeyondGeography Apr 2019 #19
We waited 2 years for the report... lame54 Apr 2019 #52
Winning through fraud should not be upheld. rainin Apr 2019 #7
If there were a way to safeguard the elections, stop gerrymandering, keep the Russians out, and flor-de-jasmim Apr 2019 #8
67 Senators. louis c Apr 2019 #16
Why does Rice play Texas? rufus dog Apr 2019 #23
I like to win elections... louis c Apr 2019 #25
and so do the Russians, you think they're just going to sit this one out? uponit7771 Apr 2019 #30
and this is how you win rufus dog Apr 2019 #32
did you watch the mid-terms? louis c Apr 2019 #40
Now we're stupid... lame54 Apr 2019 #55
I'd rather win an election... louis c Apr 2019 #66
+1, there's no logical sense in doing the same thing and expecting different results uponit7771 Apr 2019 #26
He could be prevented from holding future office in the judgment. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #9
Isn't he going to jail after his term is over/becomes a civilian? JuJuYoshida Apr 2019 #10
Agreed. J_William_Ryan Apr 2019 #11
Again with this lame rationale maxsolomon Apr 2019 #18
I'm so sick of this hearing this stupid excuse... Solomon Apr 2019 #34
While I don't disagree with those who believe Trump's criminal, behavior warrants impeachment Raven123 Apr 2019 #17
What limited Mueller was destruction of evidence. Burner phones, whatsapp. Things like that... PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #29
IMPEACH HIM!!!! LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #31
Yes larwdem Apr 2019 #33
If Democratic voters don't vote in 2020 or vote for Trump... louis c Apr 2019 #37
Why must removal from office be the deciding factor on whether to impeach or not Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #35
Because I don't want to lose the 2020 election to Trump louis c Apr 2019 #36
That shouldnt be a deterrent either besides there's nothing saying we will Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #38
Niether does Russia uponit7771 Apr 2019 #62
Another hole in the system! treestar Apr 2019 #39
Impeach him and let the chips fall where they may. Mueller gave us the road map. sarabelle Apr 2019 #41
You're basically saying that the president is above the law qdouble Apr 2019 #42
Ridiculous! nt ecstatic Apr 2019 #43
The only reason he isn't currently indicted for half a dozen felonies meadowlander Apr 2019 #44
Impeach! It'll keep them busy for a good long time on defense. It might keep you know who from Liberal In Texas Apr 2019 #45
It will also keep Democrats tied up. GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #49
None of our candidates talks more about policy than Elizabeth Warren, watoos Apr 2019 #51
I disagree. They all talk policy. GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #56
Dems can walk and chew gum at the same time uponit7771 Apr 2019 #63
We are in a catch Ahpook Apr 2019 #46
+1, what are the chances Russia wont back thier guy again? uponit7771 Apr 2019 #64
The report is so damning I'm not sure that impeachment will be avoidable. ooky Apr 2019 #48
If it gets that bad I still say don't impeach. GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #50
Right now we don't have to do anything except what we are doing. ooky Apr 2019 #54
I don't trust Red Don nor Russia enough to take that chance uponit7771 Apr 2019 #65
First of all, watoos Apr 2019 #53
This is incorrect. Removal from office through Impeachment prohibits ever running for office again. OliverQ Apr 2019 #57
agree completely! stop with the armchair thing..trust Pelosi and crew that they have this one Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #59
I think messy public hearings is what we need pecosbob Apr 2019 #60
 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
13. I stand corrected...
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:43 PM
Apr 2019

...now explain to me who becomes president if Trump's impeached, is it Clinton?

Oh, it's Pence. What a fucking gain that is for us.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
58. No, 67 Senators is reality.
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:29 AM
Apr 2019

If you don't even know the basic facts about impeachment, perhaps you should refrain from posting about it.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
14. That's what she says her view is, RIGHT NOW
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:43 PM
Apr 2019

But I don't see her stopping her committee chairs from pursuing investigations that could lead to Impeachment.

Do you? Her tamping-down-of-expectations is TACTICAL.

msongs

(67,420 posts)
6. lots of knee-jerk calls for it, even before the latest evidence is digested. impeachment is not
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:36 PM
Apr 2019

"I don't like him so impeach". there have to be specific charges (though not necessarily criminal)
because the senate will conduct a trial on those charges only

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
12. He willingly accepted assistance from a foreign adversary and did not report it. He then obstructed
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:42 PM
Apr 2019

an investigation into that assistance. Elizabeth Warren laid it out best. It's much worse than Watergate.

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
20. If they don't agree he did this with the proof in the Mueller report and hearing testimony with
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:46 PM
Apr 2019

their own ears, good luck with your republic.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
19. 12 attempts to obstruct and 140 contacts with Russia and WikiLeaks
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:46 PM
Apr 2019

It’s in the Mueller Report. Knee-jerk my eye.

lame54

(35,294 posts)
52. We waited 2 years for the report...
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:13 AM
Apr 2019

That is basically a roadmap to impeachment

Nothing knee-jerk about this

rainin

(3,011 posts)
7. Winning through fraud should not be upheld.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:36 PM
Apr 2019

He does not deserve to be a "Former President" with all that entails. He is a fraud and a cheat. He should be in jail. Impeachment says the Democrats believe in rule of law. If we do nothing, we deserve to be called spineless. And I'm tired of the accusation that dems are weak.

flor-de-jasmim

(2,125 posts)
8. If there were a way to safeguard the elections, stop gerrymandering, keep the Russians out, and
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:36 PM
Apr 2019

somehow guarantee that Trump would not win, perhaps an argument could be made to just let the election run its course. But even so, it would send a message that if a system is corrupt enough, it is tolerated because "elections are coming, after all". It is up to the House to make the point that the situation is intolerable. The rest are just various remedies post-facto.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
32. and this is how you win
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:54 PM
Apr 2019

Dems get the wimp label because of things like this. Repukes including tRump will taunt them for not impeaching. Joe six pack likes the tough guy, you want to win Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania? Impeach the asshole.

Knock the bully down, stomp on his chest and don't apologize.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
40. did you watch the mid-terms?
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:55 PM
Apr 2019

the only talk of impeachment was from the Republicans. they want to know if the Dems are stupid enough to take the bait.

lame54

(35,294 posts)
55. Now we're stupid...
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:16 AM
Apr 2019

For seeing an opening(which we did not have at the midterms) that the MR has given us

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
66. I'd rather win an election...
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 07:48 AM
Apr 2019

...then try to prove a point.

Let's play this out. I'm for hearings. We don't have to call them impeachment hearings. That get's all the information out to the public. We are already in election season. We completely discredit Republicans, but we don't have to rely on a single Repuke vote to carry out our plan.

The other way is we impeach with a bare majority in the House. There is a Senate trial, well into election season. We need 20 Repuke Senators to remove Trump from office. It's like saying, "we know better. We can't leave this up to the people's vote". We maybe get 5 Republicans and fall 15 votes short of conviction in the Senate. Trump heads into the General Election with a major victory and we have made Trump a sympathetic figure.

Plan 1 has no risk. The info comes out, we continue to talk about kitchen table issues. We don't put our candidates in a problem position.

Naturally, we are all anonymous here, so I don't know anything about you. However, I'm going to guess that Nancy Pelosi is far more politically savvy than you are. So, please don't be offended if I take her advice over yours.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
9. He could be prevented from holding future office in the judgment.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:38 PM
Apr 2019

That would more than likely be part of the deal were he removed.

J_William_Ryan

(1,755 posts)
11. Agreed.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:40 PM
Apr 2019

Removing Trump through the impeachment process in no manner benefits the Nation – Pence is as bad as Trump, if not worse.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
18. Again with this lame rationale
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:45 PM
Apr 2019

I'll take a mortally-wounded Pence over Raging Asshole any day of the week.

Raven123

(4,849 posts)
17. While I don't disagree with those who believe Trump's criminal, behavior warrants impeachment
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:44 PM
Apr 2019

I simply don’t think it deserves a lot of space in any presidential candidate’s campaign. I hope the MSM stops asking every bleeping candidate whether they think Trump should be impeached. I agree with Pelosi. Talk about that which will improve American lives. Take the Mueller investigation, and I do agree with pushing for the unredacted version, and use it to propose changes to minimize foreign campaign interference, tighten up those laws that Mueller felt limited his ability to conduct a proper investigation of the President, and by all means speak out in favor of abolishing the Electoral College. There are many positive moves Dems can make for 2020 and beyond.

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
29. What limited Mueller was destruction of evidence. Burner phones, whatsapp. Things like that...
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:52 PM
Apr 2019

They knew what they were doing. They made sure they couldn't be traced when it got heavy.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
31. IMPEACH HIM!!!!
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:52 PM
Apr 2019

As for conviction, blame it on the Republican Senate for REFUSING to hold accountable a Criminal So-Called President. Run on that for the 2020 election and win.

Hiding in the corner makes us look like cowards. Afraid to hold a Criminal President, accountable for actions against our Democracy and Nation.

IMPEACH HIM!!!

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
37. If Democratic voters don't vote in 2020 or vote for Trump...
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 06:34 PM
Apr 2019

...because the House doesn't impeach, we deserve the government we get for being that stupid.

Everyone hears it every election. If this candidate or that candidate wins, I'm leaving this country.

Well, I really do have a house (on 25 acres) that my wife and I built in another country (Philippines. I know, Dutarte's not much better. However, their president serves a single, 6 year term and can't succeed himself, and he'll be out in 2020). We have no children or grandchildren, so leaving is real easy.

If Democrats don't give a fuck who's president, I surely care less. I will vote for the Democrat, but I have an escape plan.

Fullduplexxx

(7,865 posts)
38. That shouldnt be a deterrent either besides there's nothing saying we will
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 06:42 PM
Apr 2019

Lose to trump in 2020 . And what if trump wins because he wasn't impeached and therefore feels emboldened

treestar

(82,383 posts)
39. Another hole in the system!
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 06:48 PM
Apr 2019

Yes, I don't think of anything off the top of my head that disqualifies an impeached POTUS. So long as he did not have two terms. Now you'd think re-election of such a person would be impossible. But everything seems to work for the Dotard.

On reading: it does disqualify him! Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

 

sarabelle

(453 posts)
41. Impeach him and let the chips fall where they may. Mueller gave us the road map.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:02 PM
Apr 2019

What can it hurt? Trump already has a solid 90% GOP in his corner. Impeach him and let it be part of his legacy. "So let it be done. So let it be written."

qdouble

(891 posts)
42. You're basically saying that the president is above the law
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:54 PM
Apr 2019

Stop worrying about 2020, there is nothing saying that if we don't impeach trump we will be more likely to win. Do what is right and impeach him for his crimes.

meadowlander

(4,399 posts)
44. The only reason he isn't currently indicted for half a dozen felonies
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:58 PM
Apr 2019

is because he is in office. The second he is out of office, he can be prosecuted.

And he's not going to win a campaign (even if he ran), while he is in the middle of standing trial for campaign finance violations, bribery and bank fraud.

Liberal In Texas

(13,556 posts)
45. Impeach! It'll keep them busy for a good long time on defense. It might keep you know who from
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:09 PM
Apr 2019

putting out more crazy executive orders and other things the repubs do to turn us into another pre-war Germany, a theocracy or an oligraphy.

At least start with investigations. Bring out the crimes to the light of day.



GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
49. It will also keep Democrats tied up.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:34 PM
Apr 2019

And suck all other oxygen from the room.

You know, the things like healthcare that won us the house last year.

Keep investigating and bringing out new shit.

But that just can’t be what we do from now to the election. We have to make this election about policy. If we do, we win.

If it is about Trump, I am not sure. Nancy clamped down in Impeachment talk last fall, focused like a laser on policy, and we won the house.

This, in my opinion is the ticket to getting rid of Trump.

Ahpook

(2,750 posts)
46. We are in a catch
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:11 PM
Apr 2019

Can we trust our elections to not select this blight, again?

Every angle is sewed up!

ooky

(8,924 posts)
48. The report is so damning I'm not sure that impeachment will be avoidable.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:26 PM
Apr 2019

I've been on the side of being careful not to be seen as reacting in a partisan way that mobilizes the right at the ballot box. But I'm guessing that when Pelosi has seen enough of the less redacted report and ensuing investigations that she'll reach the conclusion that this president has behaved so badly that she has no choice but to impeach him.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
50. If it gets that bad I still say don't impeach.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:38 PM
Apr 2019

Sure he deserves it, but we have to think practically. If the country hates him that bad they will also hate the Republicans and we have a chance to win a landslide election. If we impeach, and we will not get conviction, it just continues Partisan back-and-forth.

That’s just my opinion, sincere people may disagree.

ooky

(8,924 posts)
54. Right now we don't have to do anything except what we are doing.
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:16 AM
Apr 2019

Continue our investigations and use that time to try to test which way the political winds will start blowing. At this point its not exactly obvious how impeachment would impact the election. Maybe it will become more clear in time. Not doing what he absolutely deserves could also cost us in the election. The pressure to do our constitutional duty regardless of election implications just may be too great to ignore in the end.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
53. First of all,
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:15 AM
Apr 2019

if we don't impeach, Barr is not going to turn over the grand jury testimony, take that prediction to the bank. The grand jury testimony is where all of the juicy information is. The only way we see the grand jury testimony is to impeach. Barr already said that Nadler's subpoena was premature. Barr is stalling until it gets close to the election.

Secondly, Barr and trump are not going to sit back and play defense. Barr said it, he is going to investigate the FBI and "Democrats" who led a witch hunt against Donald Trump. Want to know what he means by "Democrats?" He is going to investigate Hillary Clinton again and put her on the ballot in 2020.

Doing nothing is risking that Democrats look weak and suppresses our turnout.

Drastic times call for drastic measures.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
57. This is incorrect. Removal from office through Impeachment prohibits ever running for office again.
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:27 AM
Apr 2019
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

pecosbob

(7,541 posts)
60. I think messy public hearings is what we need
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 03:15 AM
Apr 2019

to bring non-voters to the polls. A public spectacle on the floor with Michael Cohen would do much to wedge loose many borderline Trump voters IMO. We've sat here and taken it in the kiester from Republicans' criminal behavior from Reagan to Bush to Bush Jr. and now from Trump. Let the candidates hold fast to their PR strategies and refuse to let the MSM dictate the topic and keep the campaigns focused on Dems plans for the future.

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