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impeachment Apr. 19, 2019
If Impeaching Trump Is Pointless, Then Bipartisanship Is Worthless
By Eric Levitz
@EricLevitz
The president of the United States routinely orders his subordinates to subvert the law. He believes that the Justice Department should comport itself as his personal detective agency and that the attorney generals first responsibility is to protect the White House from legal accountability. And he has used one of his offices most extraordinary powers the authority to pardon convicted criminals to undermine a federal investigation.
These realities were already apparent before Robert Muellers report was released Thursday. But they have now been formally confirmed by federal law enforcement. The branch of government responsible for enforcing the rule of law is led by a man with contempt for that very concept. Congresss constitutional obligation in this circumstance is unambiguous. The president swore to faithfully execute the duties of his office. He has not. Thus, Congress should evict him from that office.
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All of this said, if House Democrats are taking the position that the Republican Party is so corrupt and our system of checks and balances so obsolete it isnt even worth trying to uphold their constitutional responsibility to impeach a lawless president, then they need to acknowledge the radical implications of that stance.
If there is no bipartisan consensus on upholding the rule of law, then bipartisan consensus is not an end worth pursuing. If the Republican Party cant be trusted to even consider putting its allegiance to lawfulness above its fealty to Donald Trump, then the GOP is a cancer on the body politic. And if our Constitution has brought us to the point where a non-democratically elected president can promise Get Out of Jail Free cards to anyone who violates laws he does not like without facing any serious threat of removal from office then our Constitution is obsolete and there is no cause for treating that document, or the established norms of our institutions, with reflexive reverence.
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bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)You said what I was having trouble saying.
Without impeachment we won't ever see the grand jury information, where all the dirt is.
scrutineer
(1,156 posts)It is naive to do otherwise.
dottie66
(59 posts)scrutineer
(1,156 posts)for Republican Archangel Grover Norquist and former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey (who took a buyout worth $8,000,000 to leave the totally-grassroots-and-not-funded-by-the-Koch-brothers-so-stop-saying-that Tea Party).
Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)is exposed, any gop member who votes AGAINST removal or impeachment, can kiss chances of re-election goodbye. It will be obvious to everyone that they value party over country, if they allow this cretin to stay in office. He is devoid of any decency, has not a single good quality. Waste of space.
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)It's been entirely non-existent since Obama was elected, if not before.
One important point that many people are missing, including the author: the Republicans don't think Trump has done anything wrong. They don't agree that he's done anything illegal. They don't agree that anything he's done is worth withdrawing their support of him, much less convicting him in an impeachment trial. 90% of them still support him.
They're not going to remove him from office for something they don't think is a problem.
babylonsister
(171,070 posts)is a dangerous moron, but he's their moron.
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)Plus, they're as immoral and unethical as he is. They condone his underlying message and actions; they just (occasionally) don't condone his methods. He's too overt about it. They prefer to be a bit more circumspect as they screw everyone over.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)Ponietz
(2,977 posts)colorado_ufo
(5,734 posts)KPN
(15,646 posts)There is no meaningful bipartisanship today. There's been very little for a decade now. We need to acknowledge this and move on as a party.
malaise
(269,033 posts)Rec
Codeine
(25,586 posts)How is that even a question?
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Response to babylonsister (Original post)
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babylonsister
(171,070 posts)Karadeniz
(22,528 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)He convinced enough of the chickens that he was their only hope to be kept safe. He'd build a wall around the coup to replace the flimsy chicken wire, too many weasels getting through. And they actually bought it!
He has the majority of roosters, who make all the rules, voted in along with him in the same party. The Chicken Little Party, where the sky is always about to fall especially if they let those LOSER hens have any say.
This Fox that was always running from from the farmer, Uncle Sam, now had free reign in the coup, as per an agreement with Uncle Sam to respect the vote for four years. Instead of him always in trouble, looking over his shoulder, he now can do anything he wants, threaten anyone, and even if one of his Kapos is caught stealing extra grain, for him, he will play his President of the coup card to Uncle Sam, and nothing will happen to the thief.
Meanwhile every day he is secretly stealing a bit more of their grain, and water, and stealing their eggs for his supper. Every few days another hen is missing and the Fat Fuck Fox looks a little fatter. But as conditions get worst the President Fox tells them its those outsider chickens from the farm over that get into their coup and sneak in at night, through the flimsy wire fence he will replace! And don't worry, the cost won't come out of their feed budget, the 'other' chickens will pay for it.
But wait....Uncle Sam has a clause in the rule book that the minority chickens can set up hearings to prove the Fox's misdeeds to the entire coup so that they will know everything and side with them. Too bad they are swawking amongst themselves with the senior hens too "chicken" to try it in case they lose, and are content to keep things as they are so as not ruffle too many feathers.
PatrickforO
(14,576 posts)move forward.
D23MIURG23
(2,850 posts)Obama proved that much.
The republicans aren't interested in co-governing with Democrats. They've been trying to destroy us for almost 30 years at this point. This means that Democrats need to escalate and play the same game or gradually be made irrelevant by republican scorched earth tactics. Trying to "reach across the aisle" only gives them openings to ratfuck us.
Permanent marginalization is the only end worth seeking with the republicans, unless the democrats want to be permanently disabled and shut out of power.
PatrickforO
(14,576 posts)But that in no way excuses the Democrats from doing the right thing, from pursuing justice, from trying to get the word out to Americans that don't know how badly Trump has been fucking up this country.
We will never have the votes in the Senate because the Trumpies are strictly party first, but we still are obligated to do what is right.
Jopin Klobe
(779 posts)"... if House Democrats are taking the position that the Republican Party is so corrupt and our system of checks and balances so obsolete it isnt even worth trying to uphold their constitutional responsibility to impeach a lawless president, then they need to acknowledge the radical implications of that stance." ...
.. thank you very much ...
... it appears that the Demos constantly need to be reminded for whom they work ...
yaesu
(8,020 posts)as far as impeachment I would like to go the route that would do most damage to the fascists, with or without the Senates help. Its up to the House to decide. If they do nothing then we might as well scrap the entire justice system, law enforcement & just have a chaos republic.
shadowefohex
(1 post)Impeach that clown.