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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe system worked for Watergate... Now? Not so much..
I do not wish to be dramatic. Far to British for that But I do think the West is at a crossroads. A very dangerous crossroads. At the start of WW2 there were only 11 democracies on the planet.... and as they say history repeats itself. We have to stop these truth and democracy stealers. From Trump, to Brexit, to Orban., to Putin etc and et al...Undermining democracy every day.
RandySF
(58,874 posts)If not for the tape, Republicans would have held firm.
Mr Tibbs
(539 posts)began and they started finding dirt
SHRED
(28,136 posts)We can say goodbye to the country.
Mr Tibbs
(539 posts)NYMinute
(3,256 posts)If it existed, Nixon may have survived.
Caliman73
(11,738 posts)While there was still a partisan divide. Republicans stayed with Nixon right up until AG Jarworski subpoenaed the 64 tapes including the "smoking gun tape", but they reached their limit when they knew and knew that the public knew it was over. These days with Fox and the right wing echo chamber, there is a significant amount of the Republican constituency that have not heard ANYTHING that was in the Mueller Report that would implicate Trump. Nixon would have killed to have an entire narrative that was pushed to the public to convince them he was "not a crook". In fact it was Nixon and Roger Ailes that worked together to envision "GOP TV" to put out the conservative viewpoint which eventually developed into Fox News.
I think that the Democrats still need to proceed with investigations and work toward impeachment when the evidence mounts, which it will. It will be an uphill battle with the Fox zombies, but it needs to happen.
kentuck
(111,098 posts)They were a lot like the Republicans today until the tape surfaced.
Caliman73
(11,738 posts)Republicans had a limit because everyone watched the same 3 news channels and read the same papers that were detailing the actual facts coming out of the investigation.
The difference today is that much of the Republican constituency has been fed lies by Fox and the Right wing media sphere as well as being conditioned to distrust any other media source so they actually believe that Trump is not guilty of anything and would likely see any Republican who actually did the correct thing as a traitor. Republicans turned on Nixon because they knew that Republicans knew Nixon was guilty and would make them pay at the polls for supporting a criminal. Today, the Republicans will pay if they don't support a criminal because to many Republicans, he is not a criminal.
Rhiannon12866
(205,428 posts)Lock him up.
(6,929 posts)I don't know which ones or if it could be done in 2020.
Rhiannon12866
(205,428 posts)I like all of out senators who are running, they all have experience and are great on the issues, but I can't help feeling that we especially need their leadership in the Senate right now. I'm just hoping that the disgust with Trump is strong enough that we can take the Senate the next time around like we took the House last fall. *fingers crossed*
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,672 posts)Repubs only jumped on board at the end when the whole party was going down if Dick didn't resign.
Also Ford and that stupid pardon is part of the reason we have Dump. Dick didn't actually pay for his crimes and he basically made a deal and got off scott free...we didn't learn from it and we didn't make enough clear rules to keep a crook like Dump from even considering running for any office.
Watergate swept problems under the rug, Reagon got away with Iran contra and Bush not only got away with two stolen elections, but also starting a war under false pretence.