Fat Donnie colluded with a hostile foreign government to help him win the presidency. Sorry his action are WAY more treasonous than lying about a bj. Repukes know this and are using the narrative it will get fat Donnie re elected in 2020. Nothing could be farther from the truth. When everything comes out from the release of his tax returns, using his office to enrich his business and of course the truth coming out the election was fixed in his direction. Impeachment might not be the only remedy the American people will want!

They are gas lighting again!

Dems need to get aggressive. When Chuck Todd or some other hack leads with, "are you risking overplaying your hand?" The immediate response should be, we have a report that shows tRump and his campaign working along with a hostile foreign power to influence his election, then they denied the involvement and obstructed justice.

When the hack says it is not proven or that the report stated that they may not have known they are breaking the law, then fucking unload, and I mean unload. "So Chuck, you can't be arguing that Don Jr. or Jared are too ignorant of the law but the latter is in charge of our MidEast policy." Chuck you really can't be saying that.

they impeached clinton on the flimsiest possible grounds. trump is a clear and present danger.

And it's not like she is easily frightened. She would do it if she thought it would help.

You know, Trump still doesn't have a nickname for her...

With public hearings and all the dirt coming out, the country will be clamoring for impeachment. So it looks like Pelosi is carrying out a sensible strategy.

This is what got Nixon on the way to impeachment. At some point, people were bombarding their congresspeople with demands for impeachment.

Trump doesn't have a nickname for Pelosi, probably because he is scared of her.

... reasoning relative to what the Mueller report already spells out.

In 6 months what are they going to find out that's new?

You are missing the political needle that must be threaded. If we are going to do it, we need to build the popular support to actually take him out completely. People keep comparing him to Clinton or Nixon, but he isn't them, he is Trump and this isn't the same country it was in 1974 or 1998.

My reasoning is grounded solely in political calculations, which don't always have to be "well grounded," they simple need to be expedient. My view is that we'd be worse off if the Senate doesn't convict than if we never impeached at all.

Arguments based in some sort of moral or legal imperative are themselves not well grounded. You are asking 435 politicians to ignore politics? On what planet could that ever happen?

... didn't give them control of either house or senate and then another L in 2000 even though I thought we were cheated.

... gets impeached.

Its usually not good politically.

It's not a big sample set. We've never had an authoritarian populist in power. By all the old political rules his many scandals and deficiencies should have stopped him long before the first primary. That right there tells you we are not dealing with a normal President and the normal rules don't apply.

That's how the Hitlers and Mussolinis of the world take power. They break all the rules, their followers reward them for it, and their opponents vainly try to use the old rules to reign him in. Their ability to break gives them power, so impeachment without conviction while just prove he really can break rules and get away with it.

... the impeached hasn't been positive.

3 times of impeachment related activity, 3 negative effects to the party of the impeached ...

There are a couple of people arguing that republicans keeping control of the senate and the house by a little less is loss ... or that's like saying patriots winning by 10 vs 14 is a loss... that doesn't make sense.

The "normal rules don't apply" because people aren't applying them, I've seen this before ... usually someone has to hit the bully in the mouth, bust his lip and show everyone else the bully bleeds like all other humans and people start applying rules to the .... human.

... Impeaching Trump won't have a desired effect UNLESS there are some Republicans aligned. I expect that getting a 2/3 vote to convict from the Senate (Art. I, sec. 3, cl. 6) is virtually impossible, but in failure it backfires if it is seen as breaking strictly along party lines.

I would suggest waiting until one or two more investigations can be added to the Mueller Report, to demonstrate that the crimes are of multiple kinds and the evidence comes through more than one filter.

Keep in mind, that winning means Pence becomes President. Evidently the Trump people made a point of a whispering campaign last year that Pence would be even less palatable than Trump, as a sort of impeachment insurance.

Pence is the least of our worries and should not even figure into the impeachment debate.

and this isn't just about shitler. It's about crushing the Rethuglicans in 2020. Dig in and build the case. It will take months, but keeps the story alive, hearing after hearing, eating up the 24/7 news cycle week after week. Do you seriously think Mueller's report is the
end of this story? There is so much dirt to dig up and Mueller only scratched the surface. He provided a road map. Dig it up. Implicate the Rethuglicans in Congress...Burr, Nunes, Graham... the whole lot of them. Burn them all....just in time for the 2020 elections.

So there is no impeachment in the house because some republicans in the senate won’t vote for it?
Pence is not the kind of person that can get elected, his wooden and strange persona has none of the charisma of Trump!

... dems netted 4 seats in the house Whoopdy do ... and it didn't help the democratic party after Johnson was impeach and didn't help republicans in 74.

I don't know where people are getting their historical facts from on impeachment

We want Trump and others removed from power. Impeachment is just the very first formal step, not the final outcome.

Democrats must have the full redacted report, the full evidence, and Mueller's narrative to complete an airtight case for removal. Either by resignation or impeachment. But when Democrats start up the no-Trump train, it will have enough fuel to carry it all the way to Removaltown.

And subpoenas are the first sign Democrats are fueling up the no-Trump train 🚂. But they should immediately start fueling the train with hearings, indictments, and PR campaigns. Now.

It's obvious delay is the only tactic Republicans have, and zero strategy at all.

They don't want us to keep building up our case. They want us to act before we have the strength to win built up.

attack The MFer-#45.

Barr will never release grand jury testimony unless we impeach. All of the dirt on Trump is in the grand jury evidence.

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by the house, but the Senate did not convict. And the Republicans remained in control the following election cycle. That is what they are afraid of.




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Make them defend the indefensible.

They want to sit on their collective asses and collect money for doing absolutely nothing.

they wouldn't hesitate for a second, they would know that the evidence would be overwhelming.

They are going to have to say it is OK for weeks and weeks of public hearings about tRump during impeachment. I don't think they want to have to defend tRump in public, especially just before an election.

Muellers report and Barr attempting to bury it.
Now though I think the time is right because while he might not be convicted in the Senate we can use every Repugnant that votes not to convict against them and every other Repugnant in the next election.
How? By taking it and painting them as the party of corruption and we hammer them over and over on it and we force them to go on the defense for a change which is what they are weak on as we saw in a number of states where they had to spend millions to hold onto seats that they would have won easily 10 years ago.

I see them all the time saying: we can't WAIT for impeachment! We want complete transparency because turnip is completely innocent and has nothing to hide. That it will in FACT help increase his poll numbers and prove how articulate and popular he is! MAGA!! This will be GREAT for us!

McConnell won't let it proceed.

Lets see how this plays out and trust our party to do what is right.

...forcing republicans and Trump to stay on defense instead of campaigning.