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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am a liberal Democrat, so I am used to not getting my way. But, I am old enough to
know that that's OK. When you actually stop to think about it, (What a concept!) none of us can say that we agree with everything our party does or says. But, we do say that the Democratic Party does much more "our way" than the other guys. So, while we "don't always get what we want, we just might find--- we get what we need" when we support Democrats.
My liberal views may not win the day---here or elsewhere---but by advocating for liberal policies, I just may move the needle a notch or two in my preferred direction; maybe make "centrists" lean a little more leftward.
Support and fight for the candidate you think best, but then resolve to work your ass off for the Democratic nominee, whoever that may be.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)I wholeheartedly concur. We lost in 2016 because not all liberals voted for the Democratic nominee in the general election against trump. We cannot make that mistake again if we're going to beat him next year.
#VoteBLUENoMatterWHO
onit2day
(1,201 posts)many refuse to label themselves that since 'liberal' has been demonized. More unites us than divides us when it comes to the issues. Keep in mind Trump stole most of Bernie's talking points and ran a lot like a democrat except he knew he was lying, promising everything to everybody without any plan to follow through.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)crud
(623 posts)I think the rough idea is to vote for the candidate that is closest to your positions (who can win). Even in the primary we might like a third tier candidate the best, but if there is no chance he/she will win or gain momentum then your vote won't matter. The operative being (who can win)
denvine
(802 posts)PatSeg
(47,567 posts)I am still very liberal, but I am also pragmatic. I agree that we won't always get everything we want, but the more Democrats in government, the more likely we'll get some of what we want.
It is important that we work to get Democrats elected on a local and state level as well. Just focusing on the top of the ticket won't get us very far.
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)"the more Democrats in government, the more likely we'll get some of what we want"
If we can't get as many liberal Dems in the legislative seats of our states and country, then we might have to settle for centrists and blue-dogs in those seats. But the point is: We (Democrats) cannot control the policy priorities and legislative agenda unless there are enough (D)s in the state and national Congresses. And it doesn't matter if it's a liberal (D) or a centrist (D) or a corporatist (D) or even a DINO (D) -- because what we DO know is that if there's only a minority of (D)s in any legislative body, then the *(R)*s get to run the show, and that is directly antithetical to any liberal agenda.
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PatSeg
(47,567 posts)He had the ability to be an extraordinary president, but republicans blocked him every chance they got. As a result, he often had to resort to executive orders and Trump loves undoing those.
Yes, I agree, ANY Democrat is better than a republican. We have to vote in any and every election there is. There is so much damage to undo.
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)We need Dems as mayors, Dems on city councils, Dems on school boards, Dems as judges, Dems in state legislstures, Dems as Governors and Lt. Govs, Dems as House Reps and Senators in Washington, D.C., and Dems in the White House and the Executive branch and the Supreme Court, to demonstrate liberal governance, change the public discourse, and fight the tide of corrupt, anti-science, do-nothing Russian pawns of the GOP.
Vote.
Every time.
Every race.
Every year.
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Beartracks
(12,821 posts)If every Democrat voted in EACH election for the candidate(s) that MOST CLOSELY represent his/her views, then the cumulative pull of our votes will at least prevent a backslide to conservatism and, most hopefully, will move us all forward by putting more Democrats -- that is, more left-leaning leaders -- into office to shape the social conversation and steer legislative agendas at the local,state, and national levels.
To sit out on election days or do protest votes (i.e. throwing away one's vote on a candidate that cannot mathematically win) because one's PREFERRED candidate didn't get the nomination is to, in essence, let go of the rope in this massive game of tug-of-war we find ourselves in with the forces of corporate greed and Republican corruption. But the more of us that keep pulling, the more we can shift everything to the liberal side,
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friend of m and j
(220 posts)When I grew up enough to be interested in politics there were probably not more than a couple of dozen Republicans in Texas. But the Democratic party was split between "conservative" and "Liberal" to more that make up for not having 2 parties. One day I asked the leader of the liberal wing of the party why she fought so hard for issues or candidates that we all knew was going to lose She gave me an answer that I have always remembered. We, the liberals are the conscience of the Democratic Party. Just wait and see, in 5 to 10 years you will see the fight we lost today will be the main stream issue passed in the legislature.
She was about 3/4 Native American and she would stand up to the conservative leaders. I was with her one day when the county judge who was a conservative leader called and asked her to do something or support him in the upcoming election. I only heard her side of the conversation but she said "Howard, I am already wearing a crown of thorns and I don't need another prick. She was quite a woman.
JudyM
(29,265 posts)with lgbt marriage, cannabis adoption by states, Medicare for all taking a front seat, etc.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Im pretty content when Democrats are making PROGRESS. As long as I see things are progressing in the right direction I know things are improving across the board.
If you want instant gratification dont get into politics.