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I'm really liking Maher's take on the Mueller report. (Original Post) triron Apr 2019 OP
I'm thinking I'm on the same page too, but... Girard442 Apr 2019 #1
Doing what Maher suggests seems like it would be "legally squeaky clean". triron Apr 2019 #5
You wonder? MFM008 Apr 2019 #30
Is there a reason Nuggets Apr 2019 #33
Good point. Welcome to DU, Nuggets. It's mighty convenient that now our Dems have to be tied up with JudyM Apr 2019 #36
Thanks Nuggets Apr 2019 #42
Who is this Lynch that you say trump fired? George II Apr 2019 #37
Loretta Lynch Nuggets Apr 2019 #41
Yeah sounds like the fix was in. ananda May 2019 #45
Barr neutered bdamomma Apr 2019 #39
What evidence is there Nuggets Apr 2019 #43
The un-redacted report is below: bdamomma May 2019 #44
It was excellent and accurate. We can quit referring to Fitzmas. Hoyt Apr 2019 #2
My guess is that Mueller will be Mueller. Take the very defensible high ground and strongly hold it. empedocles Apr 2019 #6
Good ole company man or soldier. That ain't high ground. Hoyt Apr 2019 #7
Could be. My big question is : Did Barr (or even Rosenstein) interfere? triron Apr 2019 #8
If they did, why didn't Mueller speak out. I'm sorry, Mueller was in a position to do something, Hoyt Apr 2019 #9
Sadly, I think you're right. There's a reason that weasel Rosenstein hired him. nt SunSeeker Apr 2019 #26
"Collected his money"? He obviously wasn't motivated by money. pnwmom Apr 2019 #13
Maybe he wasn't bringing in any new clients, or maybe he couldn't Hoyt Apr 2019 #15
In other words, you don't have a scintilla of evidence for your opinion pnwmom Apr 2019 #19
And neither do you. Mueller failed America. Why do you think he did it? Hoyt Apr 2019 #23
"Failed America "?!? A HERETIC I AM Apr 2019 #24
Yeah she has MFM008 Apr 2019 #31
Keep hoping. Hope I have to eat crow dung, but I bet not. Hoyt Apr 2019 #34
It's republicans who have done fuck all for two years EleanorR Apr 2019 #3
I'm really not liking it manor321 Apr 2019 #4
Giving Millions To Defeat Rs Is Sitting On The Sidelines? ProfessorGAC Apr 2019 #11
Maher Got it Right - Mueller Punted & Let the Entire Country Down dlk Apr 2019 #10
+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #18
Apparently MFM008 Apr 2019 #32
He didn't punt. Barr took the report and FALSELY said Mueller punted. Mueller himself pnwmom Apr 2019 #20
You are describing a punt. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #28
Mueller did not do the counterintelligence investigation. Qutzupalotl Apr 2019 #12
So true! StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #14
Right, I think this is going to continue long after Mueller retires FakeNoose Apr 2019 #17
God, I hope you're right. Seems Mueller could've reached conclusions on obstruction... brush Apr 2019 #22
That was brilliant. Thanks for posting. Mueller didn't go far enough. brush Apr 2019 #16
My thoughts as well. triron Apr 2019 #21
Totally agree. Mueller letting Trump and Don Jr. refuse to testify has set a terrible precedent. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #25
Recommended Ponietz Apr 2019 #27
Maher is right. And his rant may inspire others (NY state) to take their shot MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #29
Maher's totally right. SCREAM IT! lindysalsagal Apr 2019 #35
+1000 triron Apr 2019 #38
Not everyone agrees with you and me. Stinky The Clown Apr 2019 #40

Girard442

(6,083 posts)
1. I'm thinking I'm on the same page too, but...
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 11:10 AM
Apr 2019

..."restricted by technicalities" sounds a bit like a conservative dogwhistle. I do think Mueller could have been way more aggressive while remaining legally squeaky clean.

triron

(22,019 posts)
5. Doing what Maher suggests seems like it would be "legally squeaky clean".
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 11:16 AM
Apr 2019

I'm wondering if Mueller was somehow interfered with by Barr.

 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
33. Is there a reason
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 02:40 PM
Apr 2019

to believe Mueller isn’t the straight arrow so many people claim he is?

I think so.

I find it particularly interesting that there was always the “Is Trump going to fire Mueller?”
Followed by “Trump is too concerned about how it would look.”

Just like an Apprentice episode.

But Trump had no problem firing Lynch and no problem firing Yates at all. No problem “firing” all his WH staff and the news papers and networks all fed the public the drama.

JudyM

(29,270 posts)
36. Good point. Welcome to DU, Nuggets. It's mighty convenient that now our Dems have to be tied up with
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 08:30 PM
Apr 2019

doing so much of the legwork, and the “attempted coup” and “partisan investigation” narratives will continue to fester, demeaning the Truth of it all.

 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
42. Thanks
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:27 PM
Apr 2019

Right! And the news networks will help steer the narrative until the election.

One of the things both the left and right agree on is the failure of news networks to put out the truth as objectively as possible.

It’s sad watching everyone be pitted against one another in order to provide money and power to a few people who lack compassion and integrity.

I still remember Michelle Wolf at last years WHCD making great points which they deflected to Ms Wolf “attacking” Sarah Sanders looks, which was a total lie because we shant talk about the networks, journalists, producers and execs lack of journalistic integrity!

 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
41. Loretta Lynch
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:01 PM
Apr 2019

Then he nominated Sessions to replace her. Today
McCabe whines about Yates and Lynch in his
book. According to him it’s totally Lynch’s fault Comey came out with his “extremely careless” line.

Imo, anyone who still believes the top ppl in the FBI aren’t a part of this attempted coup isn’t being honest with themselves.

 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
43. What evidence is there
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:46 PM
Apr 2019

that Barr stopped the investigation and that Mueller didn’t just end it where he wanted?

Mueller’s report is full of minimizations of the criminal actions of Trump and his campaign. They did this BUT...
He didn’t interview Trump nor his kids and he had plenty of time before Barr was anywhere near the AG office.

Why is there such a concerted effort to make Mueller a “straight arrow” or a “stand up guy” when the evidence laid before us says otherwise?

bdamomma

(63,919 posts)
44. The un-redacted report is below:
Wed May 1, 2019, 06:56 PM
May 2019
https://viewfromll2.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/mueller-report.pdf

There is also an audio report if people prefer than reading the 400 pages.

Also the "crooked arrow" here is AG Barr.

Welcome to DU



 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. It was excellent and accurate. We can quit referring to Fitzmas.
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 11:10 AM
Apr 2019

I would hope that Mueller is man enough to appear in Congressional hearings or interviews and speak out. But, I'm afraid he collected his money, slapped everyone on the back, and walked out.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
6. My guess is that Mueller will be Mueller. Take the very defensible high ground and strongly hold it.
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 11:17 AM
Apr 2019
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. If they did, why didn't Mueller speak out. I'm sorry, Mueller was in a position to do something,
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 11:28 AM
Apr 2019

but didn't. I suppose he has a short-window where he could still speak up, but I don't think he has it in him.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
13. "Collected his money"? He obviously wasn't motivated by money.
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 12:29 PM
Apr 2019

He had to leave a job in a legal partnership that paid millions a year in order to take this government job.

IOW, he took a huge pay cut when he accepted the job.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
15. Maybe he wasn't bringing in any new clients, or maybe he couldn't
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 01:08 PM
Apr 2019

adjust to the outside world.

He’s not the hero some made him out to be. Not quite as bad as Avenatti, but no hero either, unless he speaks out soon.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
19. In other words, you don't have a scintilla of evidence for your opinion
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 01:21 PM
Apr 2019

that he took the job for money.

And you're condemning him without hearing a word of testimony from him at the House, and without having any knowledge of the 12 investigations he referred out to other prosecutors because they weren't part of his authorization.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,376 posts)
24. "Failed America "?!?
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 01:47 PM
Apr 2019

We have no idea what he handed off to the SDNY and others

If his mandate was restricted then he did what he could.

I agree with Maher, but the Fat Lady hasn’t even begun to warm up yet.

MFM008

(19,818 posts)
31. Yeah she has
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 02:32 PM
Apr 2019

The objective is to run out the clock.
Give maggot plenty of time to scream
EXONERATION .
Have the Russians steal 2020.
.....
Lather rinse repeat...

EleanorR

(2,394 posts)
3. It's republicans who have done fuck all for two years
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 11:11 AM
Apr 2019

They know he's a lunatic and have done nothing but cower. Democrats have had the House for under four months.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
4. I'm really not liking it
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 11:15 AM
Apr 2019

Once again Maher sits on the sidelines and takes a dump in the punch bowl.

Maher is a moron.

ProfessorGAC

(65,159 posts)
11. Giving Millions To Defeat Rs Is Sitting On The Sidelines?
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 11:41 AM
Apr 2019

That's an interesting interpretation of activism.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
18. +1000
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 01:20 PM
Apr 2019

Exactly. I am frankly disgusted with the guy. Where I once had respect for him, I now see him as a snivelling coward and a wimp. He had an opportunity to do something monumental here and he fucking wussed out. He will go down in history as a nobody and a traitor to his nation.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
20. He didn't punt. Barr took the report and FALSELY said Mueller punted. Mueller himself
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 01:23 PM
Apr 2019

mentioned Congress's power to impeach at least 20 times in the report. He all but begged Congress to impeach, and laid out all the necessary elements for multiple charges of impeachment.

SunSeeker

(51,664 posts)
28. You are describing a punt.
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 02:12 PM
Apr 2019

He was hired to determine whether a crime occurred. It was ridiculous of him not to do that out of "fairness" to Trump, because of the "approbrium" it would bring to Trump (Mueller's words).

Mueller did not have to determine whether a sitting President could be indicted. All he had to do was do his job and determine if Trimp committed a crime. And once he saw what crimes Trump committed, why did he still think that DOJ policy is a good idea?

Honestly, after reading the report, I was furious at Mueller. How could he could walk away from these horrific facts in favor of a DOJ "policy" that is not even a law, let alone in the Constitution?

Qutzupalotl

(14,322 posts)
12. Mueller did not do the counterintelligence investigation.
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 12:22 PM
Apr 2019

He handed it off to the NSD at DoJ. It is ongoing. Meaning it’s not done yet.

Mueller had to stay within DoJ guidelines and policies. It’s right there in the special counsel statutes. Changing the rules in the middle of an investigation based on what they found would be a good way to invalidate the whole thing. As it stands, Mueller may have prevented Barr from strangling the whole investigation by handing off cases to some twenty different entities, some at the state level. Maher does not have the whole picture.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
14. So true!
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 12:31 PM
Apr 2019

The ends don't justify the means just because they're the ends that we want. That's exactly what the Republicans believe and act on.

FakeNoose

(32,734 posts)
17. Right, I think this is going to continue long after Mueller retires
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 01:17 PM
Apr 2019

I want to believe that Mueller saw that it's way more than he or any one person could handle. I still want to trust the guy, but I also want to hear him tell us this when he appears for the House hearings.

brush

(53,840 posts)
22. God, I hope you're right. Seems Mueller could've reached conclusions on obstruction...
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 01:24 PM
Apr 2019

though since he absolutely punted on blatant, in-our-face collusion by Jr. at the trump Tower meeting and trump himself with the nationally televised "Russia, if you're listening..." collusion that we all saw.

Let's hope more develops because I'm tired of trump's victory laps which will only intensify come election time unless more is in the works as you suggest.

brush

(53,840 posts)
16. That was brilliant. Thanks for posting. Mueller didn't go far enough.
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 01:17 PM
Apr 2019

The repugs in the Senate will never convict if it get's to that point. It's been out a week now and it's becoming more and more apparent that it's a letdown in many ways. Crimes are outlined but nothing done about it, colluders and obstructers not called to testified.

Benefit of the doubt? Did Barr put a stop to it before Mueller was finished? Barr was in for a month and suddenly the probe was over.

SunSeeker

(51,664 posts)
25. Totally agree. Mueller letting Trump and Don Jr. refuse to testify has set a terrible precedent.
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 01:56 PM
Apr 2019

It is really inexplicable. I am hoping Mueller spills his guts to Congress and explains why he dropped the ball. But if that explanation is anything other than Barr shutting him down, then Mueller will go down in history as putting DOJ "policy" over keeping America safe from Trump's criminality.

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