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"A great General, whether you like it or not. A great General." (Original Post) Miles Archer Apr 2019 OP
Fuck him. smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #1
I second your comment, smirkymonkey. Ohiogal Apr 2019 #2
The Myth of the Kindly General Lee Me. Apr 2019 #3
In Addition Me. Apr 2019 #4
Hideous person. klook Apr 2019 #6
Me, either. Aristus Apr 2019 #9
Derives pleasure from being cruel. No wonder the Con likes him. CrispyQ Apr 2019 #5
So was V Nguyn Gip... RHMerriman Apr 2019 #7
I thought he didnt like military people who get captured or was it only pilots Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #8
umm he lost. white flag waving surrender monkey and all that. nt msongs Apr 2019 #10
Lee got his ass kicked in his first campaign in Western Virginia (Cheat Mtn) Yeehah Apr 2019 #11
I hate to be a wet blanket, Deranged Donald, but the man was a loser and a traitor. Arkansas Granny Apr 2019 #12

Me.

(35,454 posts)
3. The Myth of the Kindly General Lee
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 02:12 PM
Apr 2019

The legend of the Confederate leader’s heroism and decency is based in the fiction of a person who never existed.

(Writing By Lee)
“I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild & melting influence of Christianity, than the storms & tempests of fiery Controversy."

The argument here is that slavery is bad for white people, good for black people, and most importantly, it is better than abolitionism; emancipation must wait for divine intervention. That black people might not want to be slaves does not enter into the equation; their opinion on the subject of their own bondage is not even an afterthought to Lee.

Lee’s cruelty as a slavemaster was not confined to physical punishment. In Reading the Man, the historian Elizabeth Brown Pryor’s portrait of Lee through his writings, Pryor writes that “Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis tradition of respecting slave families,” by hiring them off to other plantations, and that “by 1860 he had broken up every family but one on the estate, some of whom had been together since Mount Vernon days.” The separation of slave families was one of the most unfathomably devastating aspects of slavery, and Pryor wrote that Lee’s slaves regarded him as “the worst man I ever see.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/

Me.

(35,454 posts)
4. In Addition
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 02:13 PM
Apr 2019

"Lee’s heavy hand on the Arlington plantation, Pryor writes, nearly led to a slave revolt, in part because the enslaved had been expected to be freed upon their previous master’s death, and Lee had engaged in a dubious legal interpretation of his will in order to keep them as his property, one that lasted until a Virginia court forced him to free them.

When two of his slaves escaped and were recaptured, Lee either beat them himself or ordered the overseer to "lay it on well." Wesley Norris, one of the slaves who was whipped, recalled that “not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.”

Aristus

(66,452 posts)
9. Me, either.
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 03:22 PM
Apr 2019

I grew up in Texas. The now-recognized myth of the kindly, slavery-hating Virginia patriot was all I knew until I began reading independently about the Civil War when i was a teenager.

CrispyQ

(36,509 posts)
5. Derives pleasure from being cruel. No wonder the Con likes him.
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 02:29 PM
Apr 2019

Pieces of shit, both of them. And their supporters, too.

Thanks for posting that.

RHMerriman

(1,376 posts)
7. So was V Nguyn Gip...
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 02:43 PM
Apr 2019

So was Võ Nguyên Giáp...

Does Donnie the Draft Dodger think the memory of Gen. Giap should be commemorated in the United States?

Yeehah

(4,591 posts)
11. Lee got his ass kicked in his first campaign in Western Virginia (Cheat Mtn)
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 04:00 PM
Apr 2019

His friend Jefferson Davis saved his career. Lee turned out to be a capable general for an army that fought against the United States. He was a traitor and should be reviled by anyone who loves the USA. It's unfortunate the traitorous South has remained the bane of this nation.

Arkansas Granny

(31,528 posts)
12. I hate to be a wet blanket, Deranged Donald, but the man was a loser and a traitor.
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 04:31 PM
Apr 2019

Maybe he didn't get "captured", but he surrendered himself and his entire army.

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