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UTUSN

(70,695 posts)
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 12:39 PM Apr 2019

Bill MAHER tore MUELLER a new one.

Last edited Sun Apr 28, 2019, 05:57 PM - Edit history (1)




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* Just because you have a stone face it doesn't mean you belong on Mount Rushmore.

* For over two years the Democrats have been sitting around waiting for MUELLER's report. And he came back with, 'Ask someone else.'

* As if DOSTOYEVSKY wrote Crime and No Punishment.

* We needed Superman and got Clark KENT.

* MUELLER's report is full of 'buts' - Don Junior met with the Russians, BUT. MANAFORT gave polling data to the Russians, BUT. (SHITLER) obstructed justice every day BUT.

* He's a straight arrow, he played it by the book. But in case you haven't noticed, we've been OFF book for the past three years.

* All he had to do was what people in the justice system do every day: Use the law to come to justice not to be so restricted by technicalities that the bad guys win.

* What good is leaving a road map to impeachment. Your trail of bread crumbs isn't good enough. That turned out well for Hansel and Gretl.

* 'Junior wouldn't testify.' So MAKE HIM. (SHITLER) couldn't testify because he would perjure himself?!1 And that's OUR problem?! It's one feckless punt after another.

* You can't indict a sitting president? It's not in the Constitution, it's not even a law. It's a GUIDELINE, like drinking white wine with fish or not fucking your cousin. It's a fucking memo. The headline the next day would be 'MUELLER breaks precedent,' and that would have been our new reality, and it would have been a better reality.

* Now (SHITLER) can go into the election like he's innocent and Hell hath no fury like a whiny little bitch scorned.

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Bill MAHER tore MUELLER a new one. (Original Post) UTUSN Apr 2019 OP
Oh, come on, Mueller is a hero, just like Fitzgerald and Avenatti. Hoyt Apr 2019 #1
And Comey and McCabe. Nuggets Apr 2019 #14
And Rosenstein UpInArms Apr 2019 #33
Oh yeah, that traitor! nt Nuggets Apr 2019 #34
Nice summary. So true. Chin music Apr 2019 #2
We needed a hero and didn't get it. We got a straight arrow, by the book guy,,. brush Apr 2019 #26
So Maher has seen the full report? nini Apr 2019 #3
Yeah but he still didn't recommend he be charged Polybius Apr 2019 #4
Was Mueller done, or did Barr MAKE him done? OneBro Apr 2019 #5
Then Mueller should have stood in front of White House and said he was told to protect trump. Hoyt Apr 2019 #20
I agree with Bill Liberalhammer Apr 2019 #6
There's room for the partisan angle, but the brunt appears to be MUELLER's failure of nerve, UTUSN Apr 2019 #9
But WAIT! maddiemom Apr 2019 #31
I think he said: Clark Can't. California_Republic Apr 2019 #7
Fine with me if he did, but the whole bit sat on the duality of the character and UTUSN Apr 2019 #11
New Rules was a thing of beauty. Boomerproud Apr 2019 #8
More shit from Maher manor321 Apr 2019 #10
There may be more in the Mueller Report Mz Pip Apr 2019 #12
Nicely put, what I was struggling to say, thanks!1 UTUSN Apr 2019 #15
Amen!! Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #19
Maher focused on the punting of overt shit not the quantity of substance. On the other hand I think uponit7771 Apr 2019 #36
Maher has eaten crow before Pluvious Apr 2019 #46
I was hoping for the same heroism he showed in Vietnam. Stick your neck out! Karadeniz Apr 2019 #13
Exactly. Mueller had his opportunity here to be a national hero and he failed. smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #38
Mueller is a member of the ''boys club''. He doesn't want to be kicked out. YOHABLO Apr 2019 #16
Maher nailed this. I'm in total agreement. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #17
Same here. Owl Apr 2019 #27
He's really premature loves_da_dems Apr 2019 #18
When? stopdiggin Apr 2019 #21
It took about 4 months for congress to get Nixon's tapes loves_da_dems Apr 2019 #22
Not gonna happen. blueinredohio Apr 2019 #25
+1, I think Maher will be eating his words too. Mueller will explain how he was hen pecked throught uponit7771 Apr 2019 #37
Mueller did well to play it straight, much as I usually agree with Bill Maher gulliver Apr 2019 #23
I think Mueller knows, as does the House, that going by the book, dotting all the i's yaesu Apr 2019 #29
The DoJ opinion needs testing in courts. It skews the balance of powers... Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #44
The time to change it might have been when Obama was President. gulliver Apr 2019 #48
Since 1963 we have been waiting. SCVDem Apr 2019 #24
yes he did, and it was awesome. Don't always watch because he has too many fascists on yaesu Apr 2019 #28
I hope you caught the opening interview with Adam :) Pluvious Apr 2019 #47
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow Apr 2019 #30
Sometimes I think DU suffers from DID. Seriously nt tymorial Apr 2019 #32
Please let me know what "DID" is in case I need to get treated or a vaccine or something. Tia UTUSN Apr 2019 #39
Dissociative Identity Disorder tymorial Apr 2019 #41
Let's see, now: My licensed clinician (Google) informs me Ye Olde "multiple personality" is more UTUSN Apr 2019 #42
K&R, "It's one feckless punt after another. " I do think Maher will be eating his words after Muelle uponit7771 Apr 2019 #35
Well, since the whole morass is about how careful, by the book, & deferential MUELLER is, I doubt UTUSN Apr 2019 #40
What makes you think Nuggets Apr 2019 #45
No, Mueller will say his investigation was prevented from doing a, b or c. Rosenstein being a hack uponit7771 Apr 2019 #50
I see what you are saying Nuggets Apr 2019 #51
I know ...man, and Mueller is friends with Barr. After this there's no need to trust one ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #52
Mueller deserves all that criticism, and more. Paladin Apr 2019 #43
They are all... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #49
I agree with Bill, he was spot on SummerSnow Apr 2019 #53
 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
14. And Comey and McCabe.
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 02:19 PM
Apr 2019

Personally I’m tired of hearing what straight arrows these people are. Their actions tell a different story.

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
2. Nice summary. So true.
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 12:51 PM
Apr 2019

Two years wasted. We need an American Spring of protests. It's the only way to show we're serious.

brush

(53,778 posts)
26. We needed a hero and didn't get it. We got a straight arrow, by the book guy,,.
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 03:28 PM
Apr 2019

which is fine most of the time but this isn't most of the time. trump has put up roadblocks to justice left and right and appointing Barr is just his latest gambit.

Barr is continuing the obstruction which has the potential of letting trump get away with everything and appear exonerated, which can lead to a win in 2020 and his establishment of autocracy and chief executive who can be touched by Congress, who is above the law.

Where is the John Dean we need. Maybe it'll be McGahn, or even Mueller himself if the goes before Congress and tells everything he knows.

Polybius

(15,421 posts)
4. Yeah but he still didn't recommend he be charged
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 12:58 PM
Apr 2019

Redacted or not, he didn't indict Trump or his family.

OneBro

(1,159 posts)
5. Was Mueller done, or did Barr MAKE him done?
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 12:59 PM
Apr 2019

If Barr forced Mueller to prematurely shut the investigation down for purely political reasons, such that Mueller wanted to continue but was instructed to shut it down to protect Whothefuckever, then the question becomes whether Barr's conduct meets the legal definition of obstruction of justice.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
20. Then Mueller should have stood in front of White House and said he was told to protect trump.
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 02:53 PM
Apr 2019

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Every news reporter in country would have been there.

 

Liberalhammer

(576 posts)
6. I agree with Bill
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 01:44 PM
Apr 2019

Mueller is a Republican.

At this point all Republicans should be treated at arms length and never trusted to do the right thing.

UTUSN

(70,695 posts)
9. There's room for the partisan angle, but the brunt appears to be MUELLER's failure of nerve,
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 02:05 PM
Apr 2019

or minimally failing to see the crux of the matter (crux being prosecuting). MAHER listed historical figures now called "great" based on their having made horrendously difficult choices and decisions, contrasting MUELLER's as not being anywhere so difficult as theirs, which he didn't carry out anyway. If MUELLER's motivation was partisan, he looks that much smaller.

That said, throughout all the national discussions, the critical issues are the integrity of public service, trust that there *CAN* be impartial investigations, while SHITLER is beating the drum that all investigations and judgments are rigged/coup/nefarious unless the results are in his favor.






UTUSN

(70,695 posts)
11. Fine with me if he did, but the whole bit sat on the duality of the character and
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 02:10 PM
Apr 2019

ended with Clark KENT's eyeglasses photoshopped(?) on MUELLER's face, no? I'll strain my ears when I see the YouTube again!1








Boomerproud

(7,952 posts)
8. New Rules was a thing of beauty.
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 02:01 PM
Apr 2019

It also proved that , especially with a packed judiciary, the nightmare will continue.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
10. More shit from Maher
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 02:09 PM
Apr 2019

This ignorant whining from Maher makes it sound like there is nothing in the Mueller report, so it is doubly stupid.

Mz Pip

(27,445 posts)
12. There may be more in the Mueller Report
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 02:17 PM
Apr 2019

But do you see anyone doing anything about it?

It doesn’t look like Impeachment or even further investigation is going to be happening.

We can sit around and wait for SDNY to do something. More false hopes IMHO.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
36. Maher focused on the punting of overt shit not the quantity of substance. On the other hand I think
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 04:39 PM
Apr 2019

... Maher will be eating his words in less than 2 months when Mueller explains how Rosenstein hen pecked his investigation.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
38. Exactly. Mueller had his opportunity here to be a national hero and he failed.
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 04:41 PM
Apr 2019

Whether is was because he was going by the book, stymied by Barr, or just being your average partisan republican, it doesn't matter. He could have done much better and he chose not to. He is a coward and a gutless wretch.

 

loves_da_dems

(67 posts)
18. He's really premature
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 02:37 PM
Apr 2019

Unless he's seen the unredacted Mueller report, not the Barr report, he shouldn't be saying anything. I predict when the full Mueller report comes out MF45 will be impeached and forced to resign.

Tell Bill to hold his guns.

stopdiggin

(11,308 posts)
21. When?
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 02:58 PM
Apr 2019

Not intended as sarcasm. Is there a time frame for the unredacted report? To anybody? Last I heard Barr was offering a slightly less redacted version to select individuals in congress. Grand jury stuff still off limits. I'd like to be optimistic here, but ... DOJ? Barr? When does this happen?

I kinda agree with Maher on this point. Mueller ducked. (might have FELT that was the correct course. don't think history will agree.)

But he's still more entertainer than journalist. Enjoy him but .. grain of salt.

 

loves_da_dems

(67 posts)
22. It took about 4 months for congress to get Nixon's tapes
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 03:07 PM
Apr 2019

So I guess about that long, Supreme Court will hear this one pretty quickly. Mueller had to duck, DOJ policy precludes indicting a sitting president. In the unredacted report I believed he laid out the case for impeachment. I have confidence that Nadler will move as soon as he gets the real Mueller report.

Hold on for a little bit, gone by Labor Day.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
37. +1, I think Maher will be eating his words too. Mueller will explain how he was hen pecked throught
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 04:40 PM
Apr 2019

... out the investigation by Rosenstein who's shown himself to he a hack.

gulliver

(13,181 posts)
23. Mueller did well to play it straight, much as I usually agree with Bill Maher
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 03:12 PM
Apr 2019

Play out the scenario where Mueller indicts Trump. The Republicans would then immediately have begun screaming that Mueller had broken with DOJ policy. It would be the "deep state" effecting a "coup" in violation of "norms" of the criminal justice system. The good guys need to uphold norms, at least government norms, now more than ever.

Mueller also could not recommend impeachment directly. That would have usurped the role of the House.

Mueller gave us "just the facts." That's perfect, imo. It let's the Dems in the House take charge of the investigation and run the hearings necessary to get the facts out to the people. We'll get Mueller as a witness, not a prosecutor. That's going to be very damning to Trump.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
29. I think Mueller knows, as does the House, that going by the book, dotting all the i's
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 03:37 PM
Apr 2019

crossing all the t's is the best way this investigation survives when it ends up in the Supreme court, which it will eventually. Whether charges brought by prosecutors or an impeachment.

Grasswire2

(13,570 posts)
44. The DoJ opinion needs testing in courts. It skews the balance of powers...
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 09:17 PM
Apr 2019

and is only from the year 2000. We should not allow an opinion or viewpoint to neuter Congress in this matter without clarification in the courts.

gulliver

(13,181 posts)
48. The time to change it might have been when Obama was President.
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 10:36 PM
Apr 2019

It should have been changed when there would have been no question that it was being changed on principle. That is, no one would have thought Obama might face indictment, so his Justice Department could have revisited and reversed the policy. Unfortunately, right now we have someone in the Oval Office to whom the reversed policy would apply immediately. The policy change would therefore give the appearance of being deliberately aimed at Trump rather than merely being aimed at Presidents in general who merit indictment for the good of the country.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
28. yes he did, and it was awesome. Don't always watch because he has too many fascists on
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 03:32 PM
Apr 2019

but will watch when he has good guests.

UTUSN

(70,695 posts)
42. Let's see, now: My licensed clinician (Google) informs me Ye Olde "multiple personality" is more
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 06:25 PM
Apr 2019

familiar and that it is brought on by early trauma as a escape defense. Well, all us long lifetime Dems have withstood severe traumas, both of preexisting social/economic conditions and electoral thefts/shocks, such that causation might be involved.

But this figurative language of your post doesn't make your point clear to me: Is it that we here build up and tear down some figures? Thanks for answering my previous question and please let me know if I got Bingo with this one!1







uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
35. K&R, "It's one feckless punt after another. " I do think Maher will be eating his words after Muelle
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 04:37 PM
Apr 2019

... Mueller testifies that Rosenstein, a partisan hack unknown to most till now, hen pecked his investigation left and right.

UTUSN

(70,695 posts)
40. Well, since the whole morass is about how careful, by the book, & deferential MUELLER is, I doubt
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 05:01 PM
Apr 2019

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that he will testify criticizing ROSENSTEIN, who appointed him in the first place and whose cover for himself has been supposedly to shield the investigation.

My initial reaction to the initial release of the report (I read the 2 Executive Summaries only) was to cheer that MUELLER laid out a cartload of damning evidence against SHITLER and that he intended for the House to take it from there. Plus, I didn't even believe that MUELLER *should* testify, since he said what he said, clearly, and what he meant, clearly, in the report such that blowhard rehashing by congresscritters is a big waste. Now I think he will be just as guarded in any testimony and that he *should* have indicted or at least confronted the DRUMPFs for not testifying, as MAHER says. "Careful"? or failure of nerve?

With the time too short to the election, seems like going the voting-out thing is the (only) way out.




 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
45. What makes you think
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 09:48 PM
Apr 2019

Mueller will testify that Rosenstein is a partisan hack?

Where is the evidence Rosenstein henpecked the investigation?

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
50. No, Mueller will say his investigation was prevented from doing a, b or c. Rosenstein being a hack
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 09:35 AM
Apr 2019

... is the evidence that tilts my needle towards the investigation being stymied by Rosenstein.

No reason to trust an overt hack like Rosenstein ... just didn't know he was on Trumps team ... that he was on America's team.

 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
51. I see what you are saying
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 09:43 AM
Apr 2019

but still see no reason to trust Mueller who was hand picked by Rosenstein.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
52. I know ...man, and Mueller is friends with Barr. After this there's no need to trust one ...
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 09:46 AM
Apr 2019

... republican ever about anything.

I'm more than disgusted over this, I wish democrats would show some courage

Mike Nelson

(9,956 posts)
49. They are all...
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 06:25 AM
Apr 2019

… Republicans…… Mueller, Rosenstein, Comey, Barr, Burr, Ryan, Gowdy, etc, etc, etc... I've been saying this for a year. They will all err on the side of Republicans. They all love Trump's Supreme Court picks and their new tax bracket.

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