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ck4829

(35,077 posts)
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 01:08 PM Apr 2019

"You can't do anything to stop a mass shooter. They'll just get their guns somewhere else."

Brought to you by the same people who think a wall will stop immigration or that running your car into protesters will stop people from saying "black lives matter".

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NewDayOranges

(692 posts)
1. Mass shooters will just break laws to get the guns so we should just stop making gun regulations!
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 01:21 PM
Apr 2019

That's another lie that these bastards want everyone to believe...

Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
3. People Control, Not Gun Control
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 01:38 PM
Apr 2019

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

mitch96

(13,907 posts)
7. "here's what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun"
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 02:24 PM
Apr 2019

Sounds like the requirements in Israel.. Heavy backround check, proficiency, annual updates.
Some of the most strict gun laws around.
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Response to Sancho (Reply #3)

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. So, let's do nothing. In a decade we'll have another 100 Million gunz in circulation so gun-strokers
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 02:01 PM
Apr 2019

can use the excuse "they'll get them somewhere" to thwart restrictions on their favorite lethal weapons.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
10. We need to start executing mass shooters.
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 02:58 PM
Apr 2019

I’m sorry, but we need to make examples out of them.

Just like McVeigh. He deserved it.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
12. McVeigh wanted to be executed. In his mind he died a martyr.
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 04:09 PM
Apr 2019

He should have been locked away in a maximum security prison to never be heard from again.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
13. McVeigh's death did exactly zero to stop the domestic terrorist murders
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 04:14 PM
Apr 2019

It’s a known fact that the death penalty is a failure as a deterrent.

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