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How do cults (Original Post) cilla4progress Apr 2019 OP
It might be that they could fade away treestar Apr 2019 #1
I think it usually has to start with the discrediting and/or removal of the leader, but even then, highplainsdem Apr 2019 #2
If they last long enough they become more respectable. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2019 #3
Don't forget Jehovahs Witnesses Andy823 Apr 2019 #10
Various ways. Igel Apr 2019 #4
This is good stuff! lunatica Apr 2019 #5
What a great post malaise Apr 2019 #7
Great question. lunatica Apr 2019 #6
The leader runs away with the money Funtatlaguy Apr 2019 #8
The clear light of day randr Apr 2019 #9
Teens and young adults just having children, start to wake up and walk away. Runningdawg Apr 2019 #11
They lose blind disciples and money. no_hypocrisy Apr 2019 #12
a recent piece of american cult history: IcyPeas Apr 2019 #13

treestar

(82,383 posts)
1. It might be that they could fade away
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 03:36 PM
Apr 2019

And that does not make the news, so we are not as aware.

Or, worse they get so large that they become institutions and don’t fear losing members any more.

highplainsdem

(48,993 posts)
2. I think it usually has to start with the discrediting and/or removal of the leader, but even then,
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 03:37 PM
Apr 2019

a weakened cult without a clear leader will usually try for a while to cling to its identity, perhaps turning the missing leader into a martyr figure.

Brainwashed people don't deprogram easily.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,861 posts)
3. If they last long enough they become more respectable.
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 03:41 PM
Apr 2019

It happened with the Mormons, and the Scientologists are trying to make it happen for them.

Igel

(35,317 posts)
4. Various ways.
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 03:46 PM
Apr 2019

Some age out. They literally die away.

Others continue until the divergence between belief and reality becomes too great. These have various endings.

A few sort of explode when the discrepancy is too large. "You said we'd be raptured/given power/destroy the enemy on this day, you were wrong." "I had the date incorrect. Forgot to account for the dilusionary transcentalist constipatio of Mercury's retrograde motion with respect to the Sacred Horde congregating around the Horn of Dilemma near the Sun's magneto-spiritual East pole." "That's what you said the other 23 times. We quit." Suddenly there's a congregation of one.

Or a new leader comes along, or somebody else rises to a position of some authority with Dear Leader's permission, and starts things changing to 'reform' beliefs to keep things humming along. But with no real reason to hang in there, most members just leave. Those who still believe also leave, but form a daughter cult.

Some just double down. "We must be even more righteous." They grow smaller, but carry on carrying on. Some continue to attract adherents and maintain a kind of homeostasis between losses and gains in population.

Some abstractify the problem. "We were right, but only on the spiritual plane." They grow more diffuse, but a lot of modern "spiritual" movements are like Theosophy--wackadoo from the get-go, but trendy and popular because trendsetters adopt them and the popularity-seeking brainless go a-lemming behind them.

At the national level some go to war. Nazi Germany.

Or, again at the national level, they simply collapse. The USSR. Many have claimed "we were right, but only on the social-justice plane" for this. Or have said, "We must be even more righteous."

And some commit suicide. Pol Pot's regime.

Some countries reform but keep some outward signs. The PRC, for instance. Vietnam.

And some explode. Syria, for instance.

Some double down on oppression, since they can enforce borders. PRNK, for instance.

malaise

(269,022 posts)
7. What a great post
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 03:55 PM
Apr 2019

You had me howling with laughter here
"That's what you said the other 23 times. We quit." Suddenly there's a congregation of one.

randr

(12,412 posts)
9. The clear light of day
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 03:59 PM
Apr 2019

How donnie is immune to truth is a mystery to me.
Maybe he has been so far away from normal that the light can not reach him.

Runningdawg

(4,517 posts)
11. Teens and young adults just having children, start to wake up and walk away.
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 04:33 PM
Apr 2019

in this age, the teens, mostly because they want an education. They are tired of being told they are going to hell for getting one. The young adults want high paying jobs with advancement and benefits. And both of these includes girls, which so often given no choice in their education.
Another big reason more are walking away now, of course, the internet. They found out the world isn't as Daddy and the Preachers said it was.

IcyPeas

(21,884 posts)
13. a recent piece of american cult history:
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 07:00 PM
Apr 2019

this was a fantastic 6 part documentary (on Netflix currently) about Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh and his followers who overtook a town in Oregon in the 1980s.

as to its ending (from The Guardian)

The Osho movement today, 28 years after its founder’s death, is a more tempered version than in Oregon, and focuses on selling books and meditation retreats. Yet it is still unwilling to accept the findings of the documentary. The Osho Times, its official organ, says the documentary fails to show “this was a US government conspiracy, from the White House on down, aimed at thwarting Osho’s vision of a community based on conscious living”. Even in death, Rajneesh continues to manipulate his followers





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