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FightingIrish

(2,716 posts)
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 04:36 PM Apr 2019

Trump's statement yesterday was a kick in the gut.

I thought I had become numb to the hideous and hateful things that spew forth from the mouth of Trump. Yesterday’s comments about doctors and mothers deciding whether or not to “execute” babies really touched a nerve.

This cretin, who wanted his second wife to abort his fourth child, shovels shit and raw meat to his base without even thinking. The termination of a pregnancy, especially at the stage he describes, is never the casual event to parents or caregivers that it would be to a soulless subhuman like him.

Our first child was a miracle who came out kicking and screaming when the doctor believed my wife’s six month pregnancy was not going to end in a live birth. All of the medical team went to heroic lengths to ensure his survival. I learned then that they are not dispassionate clinicians unaffected by the success or failure of a pregnancy.

Our third son was stillborn after a full term pregnancy. It was a very painful experience that was only made bearable by the care and compassion of the medical professionals at the hospital. They treated our child, who never took a breath, with the same love and respect they had for any newborn. They wrapped our son in a blanket and I would carry him to my wife’s hospital bed several times each day until she was discharged. They gave us comfort and closure.

We had a funeral for our tiny son and he was buried in a local cemetery. When we visited his grave on his birthdays, we would find fresh flowers that we were certain were placed by the nurse who attended to my wife during her hospital stay.

We have a president who has no human perspective on life’s most poignant experiences. He has no concept of humanity. His hateful words are worse than lies. They are poison to our society and paint hideous false images as dark as his heart.

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Trump's statement yesterday was a kick in the gut. (Original Post) FightingIrish Apr 2019 OP
The pain he has unleashed for you and others who have lost children is unforgivable MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #1
Notice how he has embraced the demonization of mothers AND doctors MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #2
+1000 I am so sorry for your loss also, we have had the same FirstLight Apr 2019 #37
i am so sorry barbtries Apr 2019 #3
K&R smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #4
I can't imagine Ohiogal Apr 2019 #5
He says/tweets things without regard or empathy backtoblue Apr 2019 #6
So sorry for your loss Bettie Apr 2019 #7
So sorry for the pain your family went through. Just brutal that politicians reactivate your Karadeniz Apr 2019 #8
It is never easy to lose a child.... ProudMNDemocrat Apr 2019 #9
I'm so sorry for your loss... CaptainTruth Apr 2019 #10
And it will only get worse. spanone Apr 2019 #11
I believe you are right. notinkansas Apr 2019 #25
I am so sorry and you are spot on in calling it. "Wanted his second wife to abort his fourth child" Evolve Dammit Apr 2019 #12
He's a callous man with no compassion. ginnyinWI Apr 2019 #13
Trump is who he is, and what 40% of the American public wants to be... Wounded Bear Apr 2019 #14
He is not good enough to touch your loss lunatica Apr 2019 #15
This talk about 9th month abortions overlooks a fact. Shoonra Apr 2019 #16
Thank you, Shoonra, for your very thoughtful and informed dialogue. Haggis for Breakfast Apr 2019 #21
Brava!!! Very well said!! secondwind Apr 2019 #27
spot on LittleGirl Apr 2019 #29
Thank you for sharing something so difficult sop Apr 2019 #17
Yes. Who are these people? JanetJustice Apr 2019 #18
This is Trump's "welfare cadillac." hay rick Apr 2019 #19
I have a young relative who terminated her pregnancy at 26 weeks dflprincess Apr 2019 #20
I can't even imagine the kind of pain you and your wife went through NastyRiffraff Apr 2019 #22
My heart goes out to those who have suffered in losing a child. Collimator Apr 2019 #23
I have a child born with birth defects and therefore is severely retarded. demigoddess Apr 2019 #24
I'm sorry-- this must really hurt-- dawg day Apr 2019 #26
Ectopic pregnancy: Fatal to mother AND baby. colorado_ufo Apr 2019 #35
Sheesh - no kidding! calimary May 2019 #42
Brilliant summation of our current times.... diverdownjt Apr 2019 #28
I absolutely hate him. 47of74 Apr 2019 #30
!!!!! TommyCelt Apr 2019 #31
Every one of us must try to encourage his supporters to see reality BSdetect Apr 2019 #32
Trump is a narcissist. Narcissist have no empathy or remorse . Some years back a friend of mine SummerSnow Apr 2019 #33
God bless your words of wisdom. colorado_ufo Apr 2019 #34
I have a hard time believing that Trump has NEVER paid for, or been involved with a woman that has LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #36
Your story is a real heartbreaker, FightingIrish. calimary Apr 2019 #38
Thank you for your post DesertRat Apr 2019 #39
Nothing new. Limbaugh and others have been saying this for a while ... JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2019 #40
K&R, thanks for posting red dog 1 Apr 2019 #41

MaryMagdaline

(6,855 posts)
1. The pain he has unleashed for you and others who have lost children is unforgivable
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 04:41 PM
Apr 2019

I’m so sorry for what you have been through and are still going through. Thank you for speaking for families who may be too disheartened to speak.

MaryMagdaline

(6,855 posts)
2. Notice how he has embraced the demonization of mothers AND doctors
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 04:43 PM
Apr 2019

Misogyny and anti-intellectualism all wrapped up for his Deplorables

FirstLight

(13,360 posts)
37. +1000 I am so sorry for your loss also, we have had the same
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 01:46 PM
Apr 2019

My first grandchild died in utero 10 days before due date and had to be delivered in an emergency c-section... our entire family on both sides grieved his loss. It was devastating.

barbtries

(28,798 posts)
3. i am so sorry
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 04:47 PM
Apr 2019

you had to endure this with your history.
almost any pregnancy that has reached the stage of viability, if lost, will be a loss, a tragedy and a grief for the parents.
Trump's propagandizing and incessant lying is out of bounds. it's dangerous and i can't even find the words for how wrong and how bad it's become.

Ohiogal

(32,003 posts)
5. I can't imagine
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 05:09 PM
Apr 2019

the pain of what you endured. Thank you for sharing your story and for calling out the hideous liar on his dangerous rhetoric that preys upon our country like a cancer. I, too, was especially shocked at his words yesterday, even when I thought I could not be shocked any more.

backtoblue

(11,343 posts)
6. He says/tweets things without regard or empathy
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 05:13 PM
Apr 2019

I'm so sorry for your loss. The pain of losing a child is unimaginable.

I truly believe the man has no further emotions than what's required to serve his own purposes.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
7. So sorry for your loss
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 05:16 PM
Apr 2019

Our first child died during an emergency c-section at full term. There is nothing so awful as burying your child.

And there are no more wonderful, caring nursing staff than the ones who volunteer to take care of those of us who have experienced this loss.

As for the resident of the White House, his inability to care for anything beyond himself make it easy for him to make statements on things he could never understand because he lacks the capacity for normal human emotion.

Karadeniz

(22,528 posts)
8. So sorry for the pain your family went through. Just brutal that politicians reactivate your
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 05:34 PM
Apr 2019

Experience for political purposes. I'm sure you concentrate on what you have in the present and not stupidies voiced by stupids. Still, sorry it's happening. Trump's words gross me out and I don't have your history.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
9. It is never easy to lose a child....
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 05:39 PM
Apr 2019

Which makes your story that more gut wrenching, but you felt the need to share it. Thank you.

But you are right. We have a turd in the White House who knows nothing of sacrifice and personal suffering on that a personal of level.

Evolve Dammit

(16,736 posts)
12. I am so sorry and you are spot on in calling it. "Wanted his second wife to abort his fourth child"
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 06:09 PM
Apr 2019

What a f'ing vile POS POTUS.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
13. He's a callous man with no compassion.
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 06:10 PM
Apr 2019

Furthermore, he's in his own little delusional bubble, and I don't think much affects him at all. He's disconnected from humanity and can't be a happy person.

Wounded Bear

(58,662 posts)
14. Trump is who he is, and what 40% of the American public wants to be...
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 06:11 PM
Apr 2019

a rich asshole who answers to nobody. He's Al Czervik, but not funny at all.

You're right, he has squandered every vestige of his pathetic humanity.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
15. He is not good enough to touch your loss
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 06:12 PM
Apr 2019

I know your OP is about the doctors and nurses who cared for your children and yourselves during the hardest moments of your lives. It was good for us to hear your story and to appreciate and reaffirm genuine kindness. All of us who have lost children know he isn’t worthy to even open his mouth. He will die loveless, just like he’s lived.

Shoonra

(521 posts)
16. This talk about 9th month abortions overlooks a fact.
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 06:19 PM
Apr 2019

All the bleating about very late term abortions completely miss a couple of facts:

First, a very late term abortion means the woman has put up with the first 8 months of pregnancy - the bloating, the nausea, the weight gain, the stretch marks, the internal stretching, etc. etc., and then opted for an abortion only after going through all of that. It ought to be obvious that she decided (more or less) AGAINST an abortion much earlier and now seeks a very late abortion only because some desperate situation has developed late in the pregnancy. In other words, this is not a wanted abortion, it's not an optional abortion. It is essentially being forced upon the woman because of some exigency such as real danger to herself or real defect in the fetus. Blocking such an abortion is about as sensible as slashing the tires of an ambulance.

Second, one of the necessary ingredients of a very late term abortion is a doctor. Yes, a real MD. He or she has to perform the abortion; the pregnant woman can't do it by herself. Presumably the doctor, certainly this applies to most doctors, has a sense of professionalism and would not perform such a complex and risky (and, let's face it, ugly) procedure for anything less than compelling reasons. As a generality, if the doctor is willing to perform a very late term abortion then presumably the abortion is justifiable under the circumstances.

A very late term abortion is not a source of amusement, it's not a form of birth control, it's not a decision made lightly (especially after enduring several months of pregnancy) -- it is a medical emergency occurring in dire circumstances. And politicians and preachers are not invited to join the medical consult.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
21. Thank you, Shoonra, for your very thoughtful and informed dialogue.
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 09:04 PM
Apr 2019

Sadly, this is not something that the butt-trumpets would ever comprehend.

sop

(10,191 posts)
17. Thank you for sharing something so difficult
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 06:40 PM
Apr 2019

Nothing surprises me any longer about Trump. He is truly the most despicable person in public life today.

What never fails to shock, however, are the crowds who cheer him on. Who are these people?

JanetJustice

(15 posts)
18. Yes. Who are these people?
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 07:02 PM
Apr 2019

I would think ALL WOMEN, especially mothers, would understand nobody is choosing to have an abortion in the 8th month. Even female mother Jesus freaks. I would think this would be understood by any mother. I’m not understanding how a mother could not get this. What’s not to get about the logic of a medically necessary abortion?

hay rick

(7,622 posts)
19. This is Trump's "welfare cadillac."
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 07:36 PM
Apr 2019

Not based on fact, experience, or truth but on the virulent hate in his heart which he uses to infect his followers.

dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
20. I have a young relative who terminated her pregnancy at 26 weeks
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 08:25 PM
Apr 2019

It was not until then that it became apparent on ultrasounds that the baby had a number of anomolies that were "incompatible with life". It was not expected that the child would survive to term and there was no point to continuing the pregnancy.

My relative chose to have labor induced and the baby did survive a few minutes. In those few minutes she was held and cuddled by her heartbroken parents. Thankfully, the doctors were not required to perform meaningless efforts to keep her alive as the "pro-life" crowd would demand and, if the baby had any awareness in her few minutes, she knew only love.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
22. I can't even imagine the kind of pain you and your wife went through
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 09:41 PM
Apr 2019

I'm so sorry that happened. I'm beyond angry that the monster of a president* uses that kind of tragedy to make a political "point," making light of the heartbreak of losing a baby. Instead, he blames the mother and the doctor. Just when I thought he could go no lower, he just did.

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
23. My heart goes out to those who have suffered in losing a child.
Sun Apr 28, 2019, 11:46 PM
Apr 2019

My awed admiration goes out to those whose life's work is caring for such families.

A few years ago, I worked for my state's health exchange assisting callers to sign up for either Medicaid or a Qualified Health Plan. Many of the people with whom I spoke were in rough situations. Sometimes a person would lose their eligibility for Medicaid just because they got a 50 cent an hour raise. One woman had lost her grown daughter and could not stop crying over the phone. Other families were desperately waiting for their names to appear on the Medicaid rolls so that they could take a family member to receive urgently needed health care.

That job, along with some tough losses in my own life, pretty much broke me. I was unable to maintain what is sometimes called "survivor detachment." I was unable to continue working because I internalized everyone's pain.

People who can give of their support and strength to strangers and still be whole people for themselves and their loved ones are the most significant heroes in the world. They are even more inspirational than those who face physical danger to help others, because physical threats often stir a boost of adrenaline that push the body's responses into overdrive.

Compassion is the strongest emotion in the world. And it takes incredible strength to wield it.

demigoddess

(6,641 posts)
24. I have a child born with birth defects and therefore is severely retarded.
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 12:06 AM
Apr 2019

over the years people have asked me what I did to make her that way or told me that they know what I did to make her that way. so many of the idiots in our country have no science so they think that "trying to have an abortion" is what makes a child handicapped. I also had a couple of miscarriages. Lost one child and had normal children. Anything can happen in pregnancy and only science tells us why. Not religion and not conspiracy theories.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
26. I'm sorry-- this must really hurt--
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 01:00 AM
Apr 2019

So many families must be pained by this. One of the Bush girls just said she had an ectopic pregnancy. This is fatal unless there is an abortion. I hate to think that even one woman feels the slightest guilt for saving herself.

And Trump is the ultimate hypocrite. He doesn't care at all about abortion. He just wants to make his stupid base catcall liberals and hate on feminists-- though I'm pretty sure many of them have had abortions or impregnated women who then had abortions. It's all about being outraged and hateful.

calimary

(81,304 posts)
42. Sheesh - no kidding!
Wed May 1, 2019, 03:15 PM
May 2019

The Asset has NO compassion. Doesn't even have a clue as to what compassion IS. ALL he cares about is himself. And how whatever-it-is helps, hurts, or otherwise directly affects him. The law? Nah. The Constitution? Feh, just a piece of paper that's really old. Really old. It is just a very very old piece of paper. How does it apply to now? (NOTE: he always makes his points in triplicate.)

diverdownjt

(702 posts)
28. Brilliant summation of our current times....
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 02:57 AM
Apr 2019

"They are poison to our society and paint hideous false images as dark as his heart"

Your words moved me to tears.

I hope your pain lessens in time, but for now keep writing............we hear you......

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
32. Every one of us must try to encourage his supporters to see reality
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 09:30 AM
Apr 2019

It's not easy and requires one to one effort.

His words are helping some turn against him but we need every one of them to change.

They are blinded by hatred and ignorance fed by Faux Noise and the like.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
33. Trump is a narcissist. Narcissist have no empathy or remorse . Some years back a friend of mine
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 09:46 AM
Apr 2019

had a miscarriage. She was so hurt by the loss of her child and it showed. Her husband did not comfort her at all. He told her she needed to stop crying cause the baby was just a blood clot anyway. Well she divorced this fool some years later. Best decision she ever made. Imo, I think narcissist WANT to hurt people. They love it and the reaction it gives.

colorado_ufo

(5,734 posts)
34. God bless your words of wisdom.
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 12:29 PM
Apr 2019

Thank you for sharing this most intimate part of your lives; I feel that it enlarged my heart toward a deeper understanding.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
36. I have a hard time believing that Trump has NEVER paid for, or been involved with a woman that has
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 12:51 PM
Apr 2019

paid to have an abortion done. Why can't any journalist dig this up? Sure the fundies would find an excuse...he was younger and not as moral and wise and God fearing as he is now (!). And they will swallow it whole. But it would at least chip away at his standing with that cult.

calimary

(81,304 posts)
38. Your story is a real heartbreaker, FightingIrish.
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 02:21 PM
Apr 2019

Makes me despise that bastard all the more. NOTHING but lies from him.

You’d think just about everybody would have caught on by now.

I can’t even imagine the pain of losing a child. They’re supposed to bury US. NOT the other way around.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
39. Thank you for your post
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 02:34 PM
Apr 2019

I'm so sorry for your loss. By telling his story, you honor your son and those who cared for him. Peace.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
40. Nothing new. Limbaugh and others have been saying this for a while ...
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 02:46 PM
Apr 2019

... that Dems very much WANT to murder newborn babies. I guess Trump finally caught on to the Dem program.

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