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applegrove

(118,781 posts)
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 08:22 PM Apr 2019

Mattis Ignored Orders from Trump

Mattis Ignored Orders from Trump

April 29, 2019 at 6:51 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 29 Comments


https://politicalwire.com/2019/04/29/mattis-ignored-orders-from-trump/

"SNIP.....

Former Defense Secretary James Mattis declined to carry out orders from President Trump or tried to limit his options in attempts to prevent tensions with North Korea, Iran and Syria from escalating, the New Yorker reports.

Said one former national security official: “The president thinks out loud. Do you treat it like an order? Or do you treat it as part of a longer conversation? We treated it as part of a longer conversation.”

The official added: “We prevented a lot of bad things from happening.”

.....SNIP"

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sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
2. I don't care. Did he go public? Why not?
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 09:03 PM
Apr 2019

If Mattis cared about the country so much he’d have gone public by now, talking on CNN about what he did and heard.

He’s just helping in the coverup by staying silent.

Roy Rolling

(6,933 posts)
4. Same here...or hear....
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 09:49 PM
Apr 2019

All the closet moral people who protected us from some Trumpian mistake, but none of them willing to prevent future mistakes by remaining silent.

They all took the paycheck, kept their mouths shut, and did little (that we know of) to protect the American people they swore an oath to protect.

Then again, they were defective enough to accept a Trump administration job in the first place. Expecting extraordinary courage and clarity would be a laughable expectation.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
10. I'm not making an excuse for him
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 10:15 PM
Apr 2019

It is a catch 22.

Right now there are probably current leadership doing similar things.

Trump has pretty much fired his way through Homeland Security to get to people that were not approved by the Senate who will not question his orders. I don't believe he has gotten to that point with the Defense Dept. When he does we are in deep shit. Going public that you were not following orders would accelerate that process.

I believe all these folks are making an all in bet that in 2020 the election will take care of him. I hope they are right.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
13. +1, all this other stuff Mattis et al said is "I saved the world" bullshit, they think they're ...
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:09 AM
Apr 2019

... being brave.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
15. Yep. "Don't judge me by what I did. I tell ya' I saved the country...
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:31 AM
Apr 2019

by NOT doing some things you all don't know about! Trust me."

UTUSN

(70,741 posts)
6. I grew up reading the vast post/WW2/HITLER histories - looks like there's going to be a SHITLER boom
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 09:55 PM
Apr 2019

in the History department. Am too old, will prolly only get to see the beginning of it.






applegrove

(118,781 posts)
12. My dad's father was in WW2 when my dad was a tween. He read about
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 11:05 PM
Apr 2019

WWII the rest of his life. Not so much Hitler. More Barbara Tuchman books and the British. Much of that obsession after the fact is dealing with emotion too I think. We are not that far from people who sat around a fire and told dramatic stories of ancestors and amazing feats of day.

MartyTheGreek

(567 posts)
7. When the Generals Were in Charge
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 10:05 PM
Apr 2019

I had a hunch that orders were either directly or indirectly were going on but not acted on by the more level heads in the White House. And, this was said in the MSM while the three retired Generals were in the WH.

Seems that we are being socialized for a bigger reveal with stuff like this leaking out and confirms the other crazy Trump orders that were not carried out, or yet revealed. Maybe we don't know how close we got to ugly or conflict breaking out.

Goes to show Trump wanted a bigger distraction during the Mueller investigation, but who's really in-charge now is the question?

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
11. Are all the generals gone? Who is the showstopper like in the Nixon days - where
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 10:40 PM
Apr 2019

they had a secret plan NOT to listen to any crazy orders from Nixon?

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