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This email is making the rounds. How can anyone even reply to this nonsense?
Subj: Catholic Church
At least Romney recognizes and respects the Catholic Church....
Am forwarding email from a friend that attended St. Leo's, Notre Dame, and George Washington University (all Catholic schools). Please forward.
While not all receiving this are members of the Catholic Church, I urge you to stand with us to protect our Christian faith!
CATHOLIC CHURCH - Most of us are members of the oldest Christian faith in the world. The Catholic Church was founded in the year 33 by our Lord Jesus Christ. We have the real body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist.
The next oldest Christian Church is the Lutherans and they have been around for about 500 years. The Mormon Church was established in 1830.
In the year 33 there were no hospitals. Today, one out of five people in this country receive their medical care at a Catholic hospital.
In the year 33 there were no schools. Today, the Catholic Church teaches 3 million students a day in its more than 250 Catholic Colleges and Universities, more than 1200 Catholic High Schools and more than 5000 Catholic grade schools.
Every day, the Catholic Church feeds, clothes, shelters and educates more people than any other organization in the world. For those of us who are Catholic, we should all be proud of these facts.
There are more than 77 million Catholics in this country. It takes an estimated 50 million votes to be elected president.
I am asking all of you to go to the polls in November and be united in replacing our present president with a president that will respect the Catholic Church in this country.
I urge you to pass this on to all of your friends.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Although they have stopped people from formally petitioning to leave. I DO NOT want to be dictated to by Cardinal Dolan, or the Pope.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Hiding pedophiles. Today the catholic church hides thousands of priests who've molested thousands of young boys. But yet they still get support. Oh they say "not all priests are pedophiles", true enough. But until they sort things out, they should be shut down, going all the way to the king ass himself The Pope. Another reason to take away their tax break. If your church as over 1,000 followers in your town, you shouldn't get anything. Let them support your sorry asses.
GentryDixon
(2,956 posts)baptizes all Catholic, Jewish, or whatever religion into the Mormon religion after their death.
earthside
(6,960 posts)Because we all know about the Roman Church's long tradition of respect for those of differing beliefs ... right?
zbdent
(35,392 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Rmoney is not a Catholic. Furthermore the Catholic faith is in no danger in the US whatsoever.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)they will dictate the government's policies as much as they can. Look at South America in the last 100 years. The church forbade divorce in many countries, definitely the use of contraceptives and demanded that women obey their husbands. Much of this was written into law. It's only in the past fifty years that women have gained some rights, and access to divorce and contraception.
chaplainM
(767 posts)Cleita, he's not saying that the Church isn't a danger, he's saying that the Church is not in danger.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)So they can take over if they get the opportunity. They always do when they get a majority to follow them.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)...what?
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)That's what. Add that to their world corporate enterprise that makes them immensely wealthy. But it's the political intervention and participation that makes taxation a reasonable exchange.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)But unless they are preaching "Vote for Romney" or "Vote against Obama", from the pulpit, they haven't violated any tax regulations.
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)who uses the Catholic Church subject but is not sanctioned by the Catholic Church itself? I think I see where you're coming from. The writer is not a representative of the church and endorses voting for Romney on his own advocacy.
I accept that. What we need to do is follow his example and send mass emails with Protestant and Catholic Churches, Synogogues, Temples, Mosques, and all religious faiths to vote for Obama in 2012 because only he (Obama) represents God's teachings on earth.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)Clergy are also permitted to endorse candidates and parties, but not from the pulpit or as any part of their official duties.
And yes, anyone of any denomination that feels strongly should write such e-mails, though I don't necessarily agree that only President Obama represents God's teachings on Earth.
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)That represents God's teachings on Earth.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)There are some 20 million+ lapse/ex Catholics in America. The 77 million number is a lie.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)but the number of practicing Catholics is no doubt much smaller.
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)in the modern age. Apparently the Reformation hasn't sat well with them. They like those papal kingdoms and uneducated masses to huddle before them. It's about sharing political power again with the elite warlords. An uneducated, powerless nation of poor plebes is easier to dominate. If they aren't starving, they don't need to be fed. Starve enough of them and they become sheep in your foal.
I wonder if the Catholics want to be credited with the gun worship too? They need to come up with some new dashboard icons of a Smith & Wesson or a Ruger 9mm.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Of the world's Christian, roughly 2/3 are either Roman Catholic or Orthodox Catholic. If you add in the Anglicans (who are essentially the same Catechism as the Catholics) it is even more.
Protestants make me laugh a little when they pretend that the Church does not wield huge political power. To underestimate its reach is not advisable.
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)then would you say the Protestants who severed themselves from the Catholic church rebuked Jesus Christ and continue doing so in defiance to the present day?
I don't recall Jesus Christ authorizing any religious body, but I wasn't there of course.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Notice, he specifically said "build my Church"
That is the ancient church, of which Catholicism was the first branch, and really, up until the time of the Great Schism, the only Church. Even after the Schism, most of the Christian world follow a church with an apostolic tradition to Peter, the first Pope. The idea of Sola Scriputura and such is nonsense to 75% of the Christians in the world. Both Catholics and Orthodox believe
extra Ecclesiam nulla salus
So assuming the prevailing thought in the Christian world, I would have to say that yes, according to most of the world's Christians, Protestants are in direct defiance of God's will. In fact, most would say the Protestants, since they do not have the Sacraments of Reconciliation are unable to achieve a State of Grace, thus they are doomed to Hell.
Don't kill the messenger, not saying I believe it myself, just pointing out what the majority of Christians do believe.
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)Stretch us on the rack? Take us down to the dungeon for some good old Catholic flailings with a cat o nine tails? I recognize the grip on politics the Vatican has all over the world. That's why I detest their very existence and will always be impudent towards their Pope.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)If he did, he wouldn't want to set policy that hurts the most vulnerable of our society. That's it in a nutshell.
Romney doesn't respect any of us, catholic or not.
Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)AnnieBW
(10,449 posts)GeorgeTOWN is. GWU is non-sectarian.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)The author of this e-mail doesn't have a 'friend' that attended any of those institutions...they can't even LIE correctly.
MFrohike
(1,980 posts)I don't know how you get from catholic schools and hospitals to voting for Romney (I actually mistyped it as Rmoney at first). I guess it requires a lack of thought.
The terrible writer who wrote this should learn a bit about those catholic schools he cheers. The Jesuits run quite a few and are unlikely to support his poor writing, logic, and partisan bullshit.
FightingIrish
(2,716 posts)As a product of seventeen years of Catholic education, including one of the institutions used to cite the authors Catholic bona fides, I call bullshit. In my case, the dogma didnt take but the way Christ taught us to treat each other did. Im sickened when sanctimonious pricks think playing the Catholic card is all it takes to sway a vote. Mitt Romney's "pranks", greed and cowardice were sins in the very real sense of the word and, if that is the Catholicism they're trying to protect, I don't want any part of it.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)The nuns on the bus tour was fantastic. To see nuns stand up and say hey we are suppose to take care of the poor was great. I think for too long the nuns have been sitting quietly by doing the hard work while the men sit up there dictating what will happen. It is great to see the nuns voicing their opinion. Feminist nuns. Only in America. How fantastic is that?
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Everybody was excited about voting for Obama.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)dimbear
(6,271 posts)from them?
whiteroses
(186 posts)I was thinking of sending the link for http://nunsonthebus.com/ to the woman who sent the email to me. It looks like she forwarded the email along to her entire address book!! A friend also emailed the following response to me. I might edit it a bit in my reply:
Well, I'd start by pointing out that the priests of the church haven't done such a hot job respecting little children, and protecting them.
And that it's been the nuns in the church who have followed Christ's teachings most effectively and faithfully.
WWJD?
Would Jesus be supporting the money changers in the temple? We know the answer to that.
Jesus loved the poor, and said its easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to net the kingdom of heaven
And he also said, man cannot worship both god and mammon.
Jesus would be supporting the work of the nuns, and be cursing the priests, and the money changers....