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whiteroses

(186 posts)
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 06:15 PM Aug 2012

"Catholic" email going around in support of Romney

This email is making the rounds. How can anyone even reply to this nonsense?

Subj: Catholic Church

At least Romney recognizes and respects the Catholic Church....



Am forwarding email from a friend that attended St. Leo's, Notre Dame, and George Washington University (all Catholic schools). Please forward.
While not all receiving this are members of the Catholic Church, I urge you to stand with us to protect our Christian faith!

CATHOLIC CHURCH - Most of us are members of the oldest Christian faith in the world. The Catholic Church was founded in the year 33 by our Lord Jesus Christ. We have the real body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist.

The next oldest Christian Church is the Lutherans and they have been around for about 500 years. The Mormon Church was established in 1830.

In the year 33 there were no hospitals. Today, one out of five people in this country receive their medical care at a Catholic hospital.

In the year 33 there were no schools. Today, the Catholic Church teaches 3 million students a day in its more than 250 Catholic Colleges and Universities, more than 1200 Catholic High Schools and more than 5000 Catholic grade schools.

Every day, the Catholic Church feeds, clothes, shelters and educates more people than any other organization in the world. For those of us who are Catholic, we should all be proud of these facts.

There are more than 77 million Catholics in this country. It takes an estimated 50 million votes to be elected president.

I am asking all of you to go to the polls in November and be united in replacing our present president with a president that will respect the Catholic Church in this country.

I urge you to pass this on to all of your friends.

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"Catholic" email going around in support of Romney (Original Post) whiteroses Aug 2012 OP
Ex-Catholic HockeyMom Aug 2012 #1
Not sure what there is to respond to n/t SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2012 #2
In the year 33 there were no priests Politicalboi Aug 2012 #3
Right. That is why his church GentryDixon Aug 2012 #4
Respect? earthside Aug 2012 #5
but that wasn't the year 33 ... zbdent Aug 2012 #6
They really think others are idiots treestar Aug 2012 #7
I beg to differ. If they get the chance to gain a majority hold on the people's religion Cleita Aug 2012 #9
Read more closely chaplainM Aug 2012 #32
That makes all the difference in the world. Cleita Aug 2012 #33
So when do we start taxing them? smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #8
Based on... SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2012 #11
Their political organization Jack Sprat Aug 2012 #14
Maybe you've seen something I haven't SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2012 #15
So this is an email written by an individual Jack Sprat Aug 2012 #16
Yes, this is an individual SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2012 #17
I bet you don't. Jack Sprat Aug 2012 #18
Sorry, I don't believe there is any career politician SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2012 #19
So Jesus Christ lived in Rome? Dawson Leery Aug 2012 #10
It's probably correct as far as registered members SickOfTheOnePct Aug 2012 #12
Catholics still craving Holy Roman Empire Jack Sprat Aug 2012 #13
Most of the world does not accept the Reformation. Drahthaardogs Aug 2012 #22
If Jesus sanctioned the Catholic church, Jack Sprat Aug 2012 #25
Wow, really? I really do not want to get too theological, but since I must... Drahthaardogs Aug 2012 #37
What do you plan to do with us impudent Protestants? Jack Sprat Aug 2012 #26
Romney hasn't given an indication he respects the catholic church, or anything else. Avalux Aug 2012 #20
"The Catholic Church was founded in the year 33 by our Lord Jesus Christ. " Um...I think no. Puregonzo1188 Aug 2012 #21
George Washington is NOT a Catholic University! AnnieBW Aug 2012 #23
Ah! You beat me to it! This e-mail is BULLSHIT! Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #24
Bit of a leap MFrohike Aug 2012 #27
These are the types of emails I love to "reply all" with a message FightingIrish Aug 2012 #28
but you gotta love those nuns! liberal_at_heart Aug 2012 #29
Just reply with the Bishop's letter saying how immoral the Ryan budget is. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #30
I talked to voters outside a Catholic church today -- right after one of the services ended. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #31
Go check out a Mormon hospital and if you like what you see, vote Romney. grantcart Aug 2012 #34
If Catholics and Mormons are all lovey-dovey, why did Mitt sit out Vietnam trying to save France dimbear Aug 2012 #35
Thanks for the feedback whiteroses Aug 2012 #36
 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
1. Ex-Catholic
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 06:23 PM
Aug 2012

Although they have stopped people from formally petitioning to leave. I DO NOT want to be dictated to by Cardinal Dolan, or the Pope.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
3. In the year 33 there were no priests
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 06:24 PM
Aug 2012

Hiding pedophiles. Today the catholic church hides thousands of priests who've molested thousands of young boys. But yet they still get support. Oh they say "not all priests are pedophiles", true enough. But until they sort things out, they should be shut down, going all the way to the king ass himself The Pope. Another reason to take away their tax break. If your church as over 1,000 followers in your town, you shouldn't get anything. Let them support your sorry asses.

GentryDixon

(2,956 posts)
4. Right. That is why his church
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 06:24 PM
Aug 2012

baptizes all Catholic, Jewish, or whatever religion into the Mormon religion after their death.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
5. Respect?
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 06:30 PM
Aug 2012

Because we all know about the Roman Church's long tradition of respect for those of differing beliefs ... right?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
7. They really think others are idiots
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 07:12 PM
Aug 2012

Rmoney is not a Catholic. Furthermore the Catholic faith is in no danger in the US whatsoever.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
9. I beg to differ. If they get the chance to gain a majority hold on the people's religion
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 07:31 PM
Aug 2012

they will dictate the government's policies as much as they can. Look at South America in the last 100 years. The church forbade divorce in many countries, definitely the use of contraceptives and demanded that women obey their husbands. Much of this was written into law. It's only in the past fifty years that women have gained some rights, and access to divorce and contraception.

chaplainM

(767 posts)
32. Read more closely
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 01:32 AM
Aug 2012

Cleita, he's not saying that the Church isn't a danger, he's saying that the Church is not in danger.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
33. That makes all the difference in the world.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 02:10 AM
Aug 2012

So they can take over if they get the opportunity. They always do when they get a majority to follow them.

 

Jack Sprat

(2,500 posts)
14. Their political organization
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 08:00 PM
Aug 2012

That's what. Add that to their world corporate enterprise that makes them immensely wealthy. But it's the political intervention and participation that makes taxation a reasonable exchange.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
15. Maybe you've seen something I haven't
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 08:03 PM
Aug 2012

But unless they are preaching "Vote for Romney" or "Vote against Obama", from the pulpit, they haven't violated any tax regulations.

 

Jack Sprat

(2,500 posts)
16. So this is an email written by an individual
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 08:17 PM
Aug 2012

who uses the Catholic Church subject but is not sanctioned by the Catholic Church itself? I think I see where you're coming from. The writer is not a representative of the church and endorses voting for Romney on his own advocacy.

I accept that. What we need to do is follow his example and send mass emails with Protestant and Catholic Churches, Synogogues, Temples, Mosques, and all religious faiths to vote for Obama in 2012 because only he (Obama) represents God's teachings on earth.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
17. Yes, this is an individual
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 08:31 PM
Aug 2012

Clergy are also permitted to endorse candidates and parties, but not from the pulpit or as any part of their official duties.

And yes, anyone of any denomination that feels strongly should write such e-mails, though I don't necessarily agree that only President Obama represents God's teachings on Earth.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
10. So Jesus Christ lived in Rome?
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 07:44 PM
Aug 2012

There are some 20 million+ lapse/ex Catholics in America. The 77 million number is a lie.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
12. It's probably correct as far as registered members
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 07:55 PM
Aug 2012

but the number of practicing Catholics is no doubt much smaller.

 

Jack Sprat

(2,500 posts)
13. Catholics still craving Holy Roman Empire
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 07:56 PM
Aug 2012

in the modern age. Apparently the Reformation hasn't sat well with them. They like those papal kingdoms and uneducated masses to huddle before them. It's about sharing political power again with the elite warlords. An uneducated, powerless nation of poor plebes is easier to dominate. If they aren't starving, they don't need to be fed. Starve enough of them and they become sheep in your foal.

I wonder if the Catholics want to be credited with the gun worship too? They need to come up with some new dashboard icons of a Smith & Wesson or a Ruger 9mm.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
22. Most of the world does not accept the Reformation.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:56 PM
Aug 2012

Of the world's Christian, roughly 2/3 are either Roman Catholic or Orthodox Catholic. If you add in the Anglicans (who are essentially the same Catechism as the Catholics) it is even more.

Protestants make me laugh a little when they pretend that the Church does not wield huge political power. To underestimate its reach is not advisable.

 

Jack Sprat

(2,500 posts)
25. If Jesus sanctioned the Catholic church,
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 11:19 PM
Aug 2012

then would you say the Protestants who severed themselves from the Catholic church rebuked Jesus Christ and continue doing so in defiance to the present day?

I don't recall Jesus Christ authorizing any religious body, but I wasn't there of course.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
37. Wow, really? I really do not want to get too theological, but since I must...
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 08:26 PM
Aug 2012

Matthew 16:18

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Notice, he specifically said "build my Church"

That is the ancient church, of which Catholicism was the first branch, and really, up until the time of the Great Schism, the only Church. Even after the Schism, most of the Christian world follow a church with an apostolic tradition to Peter, the first Pope. The idea of Sola Scriputura and such is nonsense to 75% of the Christians in the world. Both Catholics and Orthodox believe


extra Ecclesiam nulla salus

So assuming the prevailing thought in the Christian world, I would have to say that yes, according to most of the world's Christians, Protestants are in direct defiance of God's will. In fact, most would say the Protestants, since they do not have the Sacraments of Reconciliation are unable to achieve a State of Grace, thus they are doomed to Hell.

Don't kill the messenger, not saying I believe it myself, just pointing out what the majority of Christians do believe.

 

Jack Sprat

(2,500 posts)
26. What do you plan to do with us impudent Protestants?
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 11:25 PM
Aug 2012

Stretch us on the rack? Take us down to the dungeon for some good old Catholic flailings with a cat o nine tails? I recognize the grip on politics the Vatican has all over the world. That's why I detest their very existence and will always be impudent towards their Pope.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
20. Romney hasn't given an indication he respects the catholic church, or anything else.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 08:44 PM
Aug 2012

If he did, he wouldn't want to set policy that hurts the most vulnerable of our society. That's it in a nutshell.

Romney doesn't respect any of us, catholic or not.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
24. Ah! You beat me to it! This e-mail is BULLSHIT!
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 11:15 PM
Aug 2012

The author of this e-mail doesn't have a 'friend' that attended any of those institutions...they can't even LIE correctly.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
27. Bit of a leap
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:29 AM
Aug 2012

I don't know how you get from catholic schools and hospitals to voting for Romney (I actually mistyped it as Rmoney at first). I guess it requires a lack of thought.

The terrible writer who wrote this should learn a bit about those catholic schools he cheers. The Jesuits run quite a few and are unlikely to support his poor writing, logic, and partisan bullshit.

FightingIrish

(2,716 posts)
28. These are the types of emails I love to "reply all" with a message
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:31 AM
Aug 2012

As a product of seventeen years of Catholic education, including one of the institutions used to cite the author’s Catholic bona fides, I call bullshit. In my case, the dogma didn’t take but the way Christ taught us to treat each other did. I’m sickened when sanctimonious pricks think playing the Catholic card is all it takes to sway a vote. Mitt Romney's "pranks", greed and cowardice were sins in the very real sense of the word and, if that is the Catholicism they're trying to protect, I don't want any part of it.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
29. but you gotta love those nuns!
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:37 AM
Aug 2012

The nuns on the bus tour was fantastic. To see nuns stand up and say hey we are suppose to take care of the poor was great. I think for too long the nuns have been sitting quietly by doing the hard work while the men sit up there dictating what will happen. It is great to see the nuns voicing their opinion. Feminist nuns. Only in America. How fantastic is that?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
31. I talked to voters outside a Catholic church today -- right after one of the services ended.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 01:27 AM
Aug 2012

Everybody was excited about voting for Obama.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
35. If Catholics and Mormons are all lovey-dovey, why did Mitt sit out Vietnam trying to save France
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 02:23 AM
Aug 2012

from them?

whiteroses

(186 posts)
36. Thanks for the feedback
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:21 PM
Aug 2012

I was thinking of sending the link for http://nunsonthebus.com/ to the woman who sent the email to me. It looks like she forwarded the email along to her entire address book!! A friend also emailed the following response to me. I might edit it a bit in my reply:

Well, I'd start by pointing out that the priests of the church haven't done such a hot job respecting little children, and protecting them.
And that it's been the nuns in the church who have followed Christ's teachings most effectively and faithfully.

WWJD?
Would Jesus be supporting the money changers in the temple? We know the answer to that.
Jesus loved the poor, and said its easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to net the kingdom of heaven
And he also said, man cannot worship both god and mammon.

Jesus would be supporting the work of the nuns, and be cursing the priests, and the money changers....

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