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Coventina

(27,120 posts)
Thu May 2, 2019, 07:55 PM May 2019

Living and working in Red States ain't for sissies!

As of yesterday, I am a tenured college professor (yay! but that's another story)

I teach art history. For college students. In other words, I teach for grown ups.

A lot of my content deals with nudity, sexuality, and other grown-up and sometimes difficult topics.

I just found out that our governing board has piloted a censorship program at one of our colleges, and is planning on rolling it out to the rest of them (including mine).

This is supposed to ensure that "obscene or offensive" content is not accessible to minors. You see, many of our students are actually high school students who are taking courses to get ahead or with an agreement between us and the high school that they get high school credit for college courses. They make up about 5% of the students I have in my classes.

I have never censored my content in light of this. I teach for grown ups. It is a college class. My assumption has been that parents are aware of this, or they would not consent to let their minor children take the course.

Now, in this pilot program ALL students accessing school computers are blocked from any websites that may contain nudity or other possible "inappropriate" materials. This means my students may soon be similarly blocked from doing research for my classes (at least on campus). I hear that the school where this is being piloted, that nursing students are also having problems accessing their materials.

All this because a bunch of parents showed up at a governing board meeting screaming because their darling babies had seen a clip of "The Last Temptation of Christ" in a philosophy class.

I have a poster of Leonardo's "Vitruvian Man" on my wall in my classroom. I wonder how long I have before I'm forced to take it down. Believe me, I won't let it happen without a fight.

Ugh.

Can I just say "fuck you" to dumb parents?

And "fuck you" to puritans in general?

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Living and working in Red States ain't for sissies! (Original Post) Coventina May 2019 OP
But they'd probably approve of guns on campus? I find them the most sinkingfeeling May 2019 #1
Is that a private or public university? htuttle May 2019 #2
Public community college. n/t Coventina May 2019 #3
Wow htuttle May 2019 #9
Our faculty association had our lawyer write a Strongly Worded Letter Coventina May 2019 #13
Sorry to say but I think the only thing that would make a difference misanthrope May 2019 #40
I suppose that figure drawing is right out, too htuttle May 2019 #10
My guess is that they will no longer allow minors to take life drawing. Coventina May 2019 #17
How will they deal with Human Anatomy and Physiology texts and content? jpak May 2019 #4
Biology and nursing students are already having issues accessing web content. Coventina May 2019 #5
My (female) department head showed a HUGH image of a tallywacker on the Big Lecture Hall Screen jpak May 2019 #19
LOL! We've had similar incidents over the years. Probably every institution has. Coventina May 2019 #20
Goddam backwards religion idiots. Ohiogal May 2019 #6
Oh brother, I don't believe this. BigmanPigman May 2019 #7
They are clearly ignorant backward people, often pretty stupid as well. It's most distressing. n/t RKP5637 May 2019 #8
Congratulations on your tenure! Brawndo May 2019 #11
Dear gawd UpInArms May 2019 #12
Did you model at Kent State? Ohiogal May 2019 #15
No .... UpInArms May 2019 #37
Congrats on your tenure! backtoblue May 2019 #14
I hope you use your tenured position to push for ideals and positions that reflect your walkingman May 2019 #16
Absolutely! (And thanks!) Coventina May 2019 #18
At least the cost of living is typically low madville May 2019 #21
Where the heck are you? AJT May 2019 #32
Assuming madville knows where Cove lives, we're all in ... the SW desert ... (nt) mr_lebowski May 2019 #34
I took life drawing classes when I was 15 & 16. maxsolomon May 2019 #22
I know of Roman Catholics who are pretty prudish, too. misanthrope May 2019 #41
Well, we were more "Liberation Theology" Catholics. maxsolomon May 2019 #42
Wow! Getting tenure, especially in the arts, is a big f'ing deal! renate May 2019 #23
"The Last Temptation of Christ" is one of the... JoeOtterbein May 2019 #24
I told off a nun who was protesting outside the theater when it was released AdamGG May 2019 #26
Yes, I remember feeling so wowed, or as you say "thought provoked" after leaving the theater. JoeOtterbein May 2019 #30
That was a WONDERFUL movie! So incredibly thought-provoking. calimary May 2019 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author ancianita May 2019 #25
Do they really want a nurse to take care of them when Ilsa May 2019 #27
You and I are of one mind. n/t Different Drummer May 2019 #28
Nudity of its own volition is NOT OFFENSIVE. Volaris May 2019 #31
Glad you tenured.. congratulations! mountain grammy May 2019 #33
Congrats on your Tenure Coventina! That's awesome! mr_lebowski May 2019 #35
CONGRATULATIONS to the new tenured professor!!! pnwmom May 2019 #36
This is just medieval. lunatica May 2019 #38
I recently bailed on tentured position in a red state caraher May 2019 #39
My respect & sympathies, it would be rough to handle that area. appalachiablue May 2019 #43

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
2. Is that a private or public university?
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:00 PM
May 2019

I work at a public university, and what you're describing is unpossible here.

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
9. Wow
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:15 PM
May 2019

I'm so sorry.

I encountered puritan attitudes in the small town I grew up in while participating in the Theater dept, but the community colleges in this somewhat purple (thanks to gerrymandering) state tend to be more worried about lawsuits than what God thinks of them.

Coventina

(27,120 posts)
13. Our faculty association had our lawyer write a Strongly Worded Letter
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:18 PM
May 2019

That suggests that they (the Governing Board) are in violation of the First Amendment through this policy.

However, if experience is anything to go by, it will be ignored.

The only remedy would be if students started suing that their rights to a fair and equal education are being violated by the policy. However, given the political climate, I doubt that will happen.

misanthrope

(7,417 posts)
40. Sorry to say but I think the only thing that would make a difference
Fri May 3, 2019, 04:20 AM
May 2019

would be if the school thought it was costing them money somehow. In modern America, the idea of colleges and universities as institutions of higher learning, first and foremost is antiquated. They have become infected with the philosophy of running everything "like a business."

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
10. I suppose that figure drawing is right out, too
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:16 PM
May 2019

No nudes here -- take that would-be Leonardo stuff elsewhere?

Coventina

(27,120 posts)
17. My guess is that they will no longer allow minors to take life drawing.
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:33 PM
May 2019

Because, you know, nekkid people are EVIL!!

jpak

(41,758 posts)
4. How will they deal with Human Anatomy and Physiology texts and content?
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:04 PM
May 2019

Most of the figures are of nekkid mans and wymins.

And they go into great detail about male and female reproductive systems and sexual responses.

Coventina

(27,120 posts)
5. Biology and nursing students are already having issues accessing web content.
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:06 PM
May 2019

I guess it's still allowed to be lectured on in the classroom.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
19. My (female) department head showed a HUGH image of a tallywacker on the Big Lecture Hall Screen
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:37 PM
May 2019

and proclaimed...

"They are not all that big"

She didn't mean it that way...

Hilarity ensued...

So sorry for your institution...

Coventina

(27,120 posts)
20. LOL! We've had similar incidents over the years. Probably every institution has.
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:39 PM
May 2019


The joys of public speaking!!

Ohiogal

(32,002 posts)
6. Goddam backwards religion idiots.
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:07 PM
May 2019

I loved my art history classes in college. I can’t believe a bunch of backwards anti-intellectuals are ruining this for everyone! I think that if a high school student is able to take college classes, he or she is mature enough to handle art history. And nursing?? Because what is nursing besides learning ... um ... human anatomy? Good Lord. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

And, congrats on your receiving tenure!

BigmanPigman

(51,607 posts)
7. Oh brother, I don't believe this.
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:10 PM
May 2019

Are they going to make you put black squares on the nude subjects of artwork next?

Brawndo

(535 posts)
11. Congratulations on your tenure!
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:17 PM
May 2019

No part of the content of your class should be censored or omitted, not one bit. If the concern is about the small percentage of minors attending then they should require a parent's signature to enroll. Hell, I'll join you in saying "fuck you" to puritans and dumb parents.

walkingman

(7,620 posts)
16. I hope you use your tenured position to push for ideals and positions that reflect your
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:30 PM
May 2019

views without having to worry about administrative consequences. Think about doing the things you love and embrace your purpose filled life. Congratulations for the tenure, it represents a lot of hard work and you deserve the privileges it offers.

Coventina

(27,120 posts)
18. Absolutely! (And thanks!)
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:34 PM
May 2019

Yes, no longer being on probation means that I have a lot more leverage to fight for academic freedom....and I plan to use it!!

madville

(7,410 posts)
21. At least the cost of living is typically low
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:40 PM
May 2019

I bought a 1100 SQ ft house built in 1994 on one acre for $90k, property taxes are $650 a year and property insurance is $550 annually. This house would be 7 figures where I used to be in the SF Bay area.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
22. I took life drawing classes when I was 15 & 16.
Thu May 2, 2019, 08:48 PM
May 2019

In the '70s.

I was in a room with NAKED PEOPLE! With genitals I COULD SEE!

No one gave a flying fuck, least of all my Catholic parents. It's not like it was sexy.

misanthrope

(7,417 posts)
41. I know of Roman Catholics who are pretty prudish, too.
Fri May 3, 2019, 04:26 AM
May 2019

Granted, they look down their noses at Protestants and talk about them as being unrefined and backwards. About the only difference I see between the groups are their specific rituals and the Catholics are a tad bit more open about drinking but in every other way they are all politically and sociologically identical as conservatives.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
42. Well, we were more "Liberation Theology" Catholics.
Fri May 3, 2019, 02:58 PM
May 2019

And as a result, we are all Ex-Catholics now!

Good times.

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
24. "The Last Temptation of Christ" is one of the...
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:29 PM
May 2019

...best movies of ALL TIME.

BTW, I would say FU to the dumb parents in a heartbeat. But that is why I don't have your awesome job. I hope they see the errors of their ways and your class can proceed unimpeded.

Best of wishes from me!

AdamGG

(1,292 posts)
26. I told off a nun who was protesting outside the theater when it was released
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:47 PM
May 2019

Because she hadn't even seen it herself and was just taking the church's word that she should protest. It was a deeply spiritual and thought provoking movie, I think it went over the head of the nitwits who had problems with it.

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
30. Yes, I remember feeling so wowed, or as you say "thought provoked" after leaving the theater.
Thu May 2, 2019, 10:11 PM
May 2019

And you are correct that it just went over their heads. My Catholic Mom refused to see it. She would have been wowed too if she did.

calimary

(81,298 posts)
29. That was a WONDERFUL movie! So incredibly thought-provoking.
Thu May 2, 2019, 10:09 PM
May 2019

It left me pondering - literally for weeks - the profound extent of the Sacrifice that Jesus made.

And of course there were several of the prerequisite Great-Sixth-Century-BC-Minds-of-Our-Time outside the theater, protesting.

And on that note, CONGRATULATIONS Coventina!

Response to Coventina (Original post)

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
27. Do they really want a nurse to take care of them when
Thu May 2, 2019, 09:52 PM
May 2019

She (or he) doesn't know where certain injections are administered, and they don't have that knowledge because some prude wouldn't let them view A&P? What a bunch of idiots! They'd rather have "innocent" idiots working in the state vs worldly experts.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
31. Nudity of its own volition is NOT OFFENSIVE.
Thu May 2, 2019, 10:34 PM
May 2019

neither is the idea that Jesus of nazereth was Fully a Human Being (if the doctrine of the Catholic Church is to be believed, at least...which means that at a minimum, he struggled with his chosen celibacy same as anyone else who made that decision)

And I agree with you that the puritians can all go fuck themselves....I GAURANTEE their kids are having better sex than them, and thats NOT a reason for them to be all jealous and repressed and shit. Fuck THAT.

If you're tenured, you teach what YOU WANT, and everyone else can go get bent.

Word.

pnwmom

(108,979 posts)
36. CONGRATULATIONS to the new tenured professor!!!
Fri May 3, 2019, 01:56 AM
May 2019

That is a big deal, Coventina. I am so happy for you!

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
38. This is just medieval.
Fri May 3, 2019, 04:15 AM
May 2019

Makes you wonder just how far back they want to go. It would have to before Adam and Eve, cause they were naked. The Bible sez so!

caraher

(6,278 posts)
39. I recently bailed on tentured position in a red state
Fri May 3, 2019, 04:16 AM
May 2019

Fled the Land of Pence.

As for the censorship thing, you might see what AAUP has to say. This is clearly an academic freedom issue and there are national standards and guidelines your school should be compelled to observe.

appalachiablue

(41,140 posts)
43. My respect & sympathies, it would be rough to handle that area.
Thu May 9, 2019, 12:23 AM
May 2019

I hope sense prevails and you have calmer waters ahead. (MA Art History here).

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