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The man is all about self-survival.
Damn everyone else.
The intelligence for the Iranian 'alert' came from Israel.
hmmmmm
Scoop: Israel passed White House intelligence on possible Iran plot
Why it matters: Bolton's unusual and aggressive statement included news that the U.S. would move an aircraft carrier to the region. The officials said intelligence gathered by Israel, primarily by the Mossad intelligence agency, is understood to be part of the reason for Bolton's announcement.
Behind the scenes: Information about possible Iranian plots against the U.S. or its allies in the Gulf were raised two weeks ago in talks held at the White House between an Israeli delegation headed by national security adviser Meir Ben Shabbat and a U.S. team led by Bolton, the Israeli officials told me.
The intelligence about a possible Iranian plot is not very specific at this stage, but the officials said it was clear the threat was against a U.S. target in the Gulf or U.S. allies like Saudi Arabia or the UAE.
https://www.axios.com/israel-warned-trump-of-possible-iran-plot-bolton-34f25563-c3f3-41ee-a653-9d96b4541984.html
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Initech
(100,097 posts)I have no doubt the fuckers will try something there.
mitch96
(13,923 posts)It seems every prez needs his war for the history books... uggh... I just hope that when he looses in 2020 that the secret service do their job and escort his ass out of the whitehouse.
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trev
(1,480 posts)said GW Bush, whose daddy got him out of Vietnam to become a failed ANG pilot.
kentuck
(111,107 posts)A disaster waiting to happen.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)continuing a criminal enterprise, that is already stuffed like a pig for roasting, before he leaves office.
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saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)lark
(23,138 posts)I don't trust either one of those 2 one iota - they are both criminal liar and thieves.
Arkansas Granny
(31,523 posts)spanone
(135,857 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)So I'm not going to say I don't trust Israel, Bibi & Mossad when it comes to what they say about Iran.
But I will say I don't trust John Bolton one bit.
walkingman
(7,646 posts)and Pompeo are known war-mongers and Trump is a fool. The GOP are merely puppets for Trump these days and are literally afraid of him.
watoos
(7,142 posts)about some Israelis after 9/11. I have since repented.
I'm not afraid to bash Bibi since almost half of Israel voted against him.
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,685 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)but he also wants an Iran/Iraq gas pipeline that goes through Syria to Europe, so I don't think he will order Trump to attack Iran.
sop
(10,226 posts)The Maduro presidency has resulted in Venzuelan oil production plummeting, causing oil prices to rise. The last thing Putin wants is the restoration of pre-Chavez/Maduro levels of oil exploration and production. Trump was really excited about overthrowing his first "socialist" regime, thinking he'd brag about "liberating Venezuela" from those "brown-skinned commies" at every campaign rally, then Vladimir got on the phone and set him straight.
dameatball
(7,399 posts)CanonRay
(14,111 posts)No, I think they know we're being led by fools, so why not take advantage of it.
watoos
(7,142 posts)CrispyQ
(36,492 posts)IronLionZion
(45,494 posts)mitch96
(13,923 posts)Well then let THEM do it.. No American boys and girls to die on tRumps behalf.
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IronLionZion
(45,494 posts)and pay him off
TryLogic
(1,723 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I would be surprised if Donny doesn't order them to "bomb bomb bomb" Iran on May 14 to steal the headlines away from Mueller.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)the favor for rumpies' support. Bolton is more than a willing accomplice, he is the cheerleader for never ending War in the Middle East.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Response to ehrnst (Reply #39)
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You said Democrats are turning a blind eye, and you say that it's obvious.
I just thought you'd put your money where you mouth is - otherwise, it looks like you are saying things about Democratic leaders that are smears, rather than observations.
dalton99a
(81,565 posts)Guaranteed.
CaptainTruth
(6,599 posts)Let me guess, the non-specific Iranian plot info involves WMDs?
I saw this coming the second Trump brought in Bolton. And note how Trump has eagerly embraced the PNAC vision of an "imperial presidency" where the executive branch has more power than the other branches.
We're right back to GW Bush circa 2002.
ashredux
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KPN
(15,647 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)patphil
(6,196 posts)Israel can't be trusted. They are fundamentally a self-serving country, and will do whatever it takes to pursue their goals.
I have no doubt this is all fake.
Of course there are no specifics.
And then there is John Bolton...a world class sleeze ball.
Nothing he is involved in is ever on the up and up.
Patrick Phillips
ananda
(28,873 posts)This must be what Putin wants, Im not sure why.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)do his dirty work of creating divisions. Must be what those two criminals discuss during those long phone calls on a secured hot line. Rumpie has a nose ring firmly tethered to Tsar Putin.
I sure wish someone in the know would leak the content of those calls.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)Iran has a sophisticated Army and Air Force, and will fight to the last man to defend its sovereignty. Persian history is rich. Trump will not be able to create a coalition of the willing with our allies, because he has pissed them all off. Israel has its own reasons for going to war with Iran.
We have no business going to war in South America either.
The House Democrats control the purse strings and can say NO to more monies for STUPID wars.
BruceWane
(345 posts)It's occurred to me that Trump's only real motivation is the cheering of his base. Public adulation is the only reason Trump even ran for president. No actual desire to make America "great again" in and of itself, only the desire to be credited and adored upon success. His campaign platform started off with nearly nothing ,pretty much just "I'm the guy that's rich and famous for being the 'master of the deal', and I'm going to make better deals than these other guys". His platform was "I'm gonna Trump-ify the White House".
All the specific policies have come about from a)the things that cause the loudest cheers at his rallies and b)the machinations and manipulations of the people in his campaign and administration.
He will do anything that draws cheers from his base. Anything.
Defy democrats? LOUD cheers, no matter what the defiance is - even flagrant disregard for the law.
Get drawn into a war? Absolutely. When it's framed as "defending ISRAEL, and the USA", the cheers will be absolutely rabid.
This is the ONLY thing driving this man. He has no morals, no respect for the law, and no compassion, we've seen that over and over again. He is nothing but a deeply flawed ego, seeking the next fix that makes him feel like maybe he's not worthless.