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spanone

(135,857 posts)
Tue May 7, 2019, 08:30 AM May 2019

If necessary, trump will start a war to secure his second term. I have no doubt.

Last edited Tue May 7, 2019, 09:03 AM - Edit history (1)

The man is all about self-survival.

Damn everyone else.

The intelligence for the Iranian 'alert' came from Israel.

hmmmmm

Scoop: Israel passed White House intelligence on possible Iran plot

Israel passed information on an alleged Iranian plot to attack U.S. interests in the Gulf to the U.S. before national security adviser John Bolton threatened Iran with "unrelenting force" last night, senior Israeli officials told me.

Why it matters: Bolton's unusual and aggressive statement included news that the U.S. would move an aircraft carrier to the region. The officials said intelligence gathered by Israel, primarily by the Mossad intelligence agency, is understood to be part of the reason for Bolton's announcement.

Behind the scenes: Information about possible Iranian plots against the U.S. or its allies in the Gulf were raised two weeks ago in talks held at the White House between an Israeli delegation headed by national security adviser Meir Ben Shabbat and a U.S. team led by Bolton, the Israeli officials told me.

The intelligence about a possible Iranian plot is not very specific at this stage, but the officials said it was clear the threat was against a U.S. target in the Gulf or U.S. allies like Saudi Arabia or the UAE.


https://www.axios.com/israel-warned-trump-of-possible-iran-plot-bolton-34f25563-c3f3-41ee-a653-9d96b4541984.html
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If necessary, trump will start a war to secure his second term. I have no doubt. (Original Post) spanone May 2019 OP
The war drums are beating quietly in the background for now as he ramps up Iran. RKP5637 May 2019 #1
Also Venezuela. Initech May 2019 #25
"The war drums as he ramps up Iran and Venezuela" mitch96 May 2019 #32
"I'm a war president!" trev May 2019 #42
He's setting the table... kentuck May 2019 #2
Setting the table for saidsimplesimon May 2019 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2019 #3
I agree. saidsimplesimon May 2019 #31
Real or imagined threat ginned up by little murderer and drumpf for their political advantage? lark May 2019 #4
That is my fear, as well. Arkansas Granny May 2019 #5
THIS is one frightening picture... spanone May 2019 #6
I'd say I don't trust Israel, Bibi & Mossad on Iran but I'm sure I'd be branded an anti-Semite mr_lebowski May 2019 #7
I don't trust a thing this administrations says and Trump has no problem starting a war. Bolton walkingman May 2019 #8
Yeah, I got nailed for saying something bad watoos May 2019 #12
Any such war would be decided by Putin. Guiding the dope has been easy. Just smile at him. BSdetect May 2019 #9
Well he did call Putin to get permission to move on Iran... Wounded Bear May 2019 #11
Putin wants the price of oil up, watoos May 2019 #13
Putin told Trump and Bolton to stay out of Venezuela for the same reason sop May 2019 #27
That's exactly what I was thinking. The 90 minute phone call wasn't about the weather. dameatball May 2019 #21
Israel wants us to eliminate Iran. Are they above feeding us false intelligence? CanonRay May 2019 #10
Saudi Arabia wants us to eliminate Iran also. watoos May 2019 #14
And 40% or so of our fellow citizens feel safer with Dotard in charge. CrispyQ May 2019 #36
The Saudis will help this effort IronLionZion May 2019 #15
"The Saudis will help this effort" mitch96 May 2019 #45
Saudis would be lobbying Trump to do it IronLionZion May 2019 #46
My thoughts as well TryLogic May 2019 #16
If Mueller does commit to testifying on May 15 NewJeffCT May 2019 #17
Benjamin Netanyahu is returning saidsimplesimon May 2019 #18
Post removed Post removed May 2019 #37
Which member of the Democratic party are turning a "blind eye" to what DT is doing? (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #39
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It's not bait - it's asking a question about something you say is backed up by evidence. ehrnst May 2019 #41
If it's something stupid or cruel, he'll do it dalton99a May 2019 #19
Bolton wants to finish the PNAC agenda. Iran invasion was on their list. CaptainTruth May 2019 #20
Beware...remember Gulf of Tonkin ashredux May 2019 #22
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Oh, I think we can count on it by summer of next year. KPN May 2019 #23
Well, it's their playbook pdsimdars May 2019 #24
This smacks of a setup patphil May 2019 #26
I think he's spoiling for Iran ... ananda May 2019 #28
Putin wants the US to saidsimplesimon May 2019 #34
Eventually we will become the United Kingdom of USA and Russia njhoneybadger May 2019 #29
I oppopse any American Soldier dying for Trump in any STUPID war he causes.... ProudMNDemocrat May 2019 #33
I don't doubt it, either. BruceWane May 2019 #35
This is nonsense it's not like he's kidnapped children by the thousands or something / sarcasm uponit7771 May 2019 #43
That's the advice he will get from his putin puppet master. Jakes Progress May 2019 #44

mitch96

(13,923 posts)
32. "The war drums as he ramps up Iran and Venezuela"
Tue May 7, 2019, 11:24 AM
May 2019

It seems every prez needs his war for the history books... uggh... I just hope that when he looses in 2020 that the secret service do their job and escort his ass out of the whitehouse.

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trev

(1,480 posts)
42. "I'm a war president!"
Tue May 7, 2019, 01:59 PM
May 2019

said GW Bush, whose daddy got him out of Vietnam to become a failed ANG pilot.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
30. Setting the table for
Tue May 7, 2019, 11:20 AM
May 2019

continuing a criminal enterprise, that is already stuffed like a pig for roasting, before he leaves office.

Response to spanone (Original post)

lark

(23,138 posts)
4. Real or imagined threat ginned up by little murderer and drumpf for their political advantage?
Tue May 7, 2019, 09:05 AM
May 2019

I don't trust either one of those 2 one iota - they are both criminal liar and thieves.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
7. I'd say I don't trust Israel, Bibi & Mossad on Iran but I'm sure I'd be branded an anti-Semite
Tue May 7, 2019, 09:16 AM
May 2019

So I'm not going to say I don't trust Israel, Bibi & Mossad when it comes to what they say about Iran.

But I will say I don't trust John Bolton one bit.

walkingman

(7,646 posts)
8. I don't trust a thing this administrations says and Trump has no problem starting a war. Bolton
Tue May 7, 2019, 09:21 AM
May 2019

and Pompeo are known war-mongers and Trump is a fool. The GOP are merely puppets for Trump these days and are literally afraid of him.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
12. Yeah, I got nailed for saying something bad
Tue May 7, 2019, 10:40 AM
May 2019

about some Israelis after 9/11. I have since repented.

I'm not afraid to bash Bibi since almost half of Israel voted against him.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
13. Putin wants the price of oil up,
Tue May 7, 2019, 10:42 AM
May 2019

but he also wants an Iran/Iraq gas pipeline that goes through Syria to Europe, so I don't think he will order Trump to attack Iran.

sop

(10,226 posts)
27. Putin told Trump and Bolton to stay out of Venezuela for the same reason
Tue May 7, 2019, 11:15 AM
May 2019

The Maduro presidency has resulted in Venzuelan oil production plummeting, causing oil prices to rise. The last thing Putin wants is the restoration of pre-Chavez/Maduro levels of oil exploration and production. Trump was really excited about overthrowing his first "socialist" regime, thinking he'd brag about "liberating Venezuela" from those "brown-skinned commies" at every campaign rally, then Vladimir got on the phone and set him straight.

CanonRay

(14,111 posts)
10. Israel wants us to eliminate Iran. Are they above feeding us false intelligence?
Tue May 7, 2019, 09:56 AM
May 2019

No, I think they know we're being led by fools, so why not take advantage of it.

mitch96

(13,923 posts)
45. "The Saudis will help this effort"
Tue May 7, 2019, 06:34 PM
May 2019

Well then let THEM do it.. No American boys and girls to die on tRumps behalf.
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NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
17. If Mueller does commit to testifying on May 15
Tue May 7, 2019, 10:54 AM
May 2019

I would be surprised if Donny doesn't order them to "bomb bomb bomb" Iran on May 14 to steal the headlines away from Mueller.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
18. Benjamin Netanyahu is returning
Tue May 7, 2019, 10:57 AM
May 2019

the favor for rumpies' support. Bolton is more than a willing accomplice, he is the cheerleader for never ending War in the Middle East.

Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #18)

Response to ehrnst (Reply #39)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
41. It's not bait - it's asking a question about something you say is backed up by evidence.
Tue May 7, 2019, 01:54 PM
May 2019

You said Democrats are turning a blind eye, and you say that it's obvious.

I just thought you'd put your money where you mouth is - otherwise, it looks like you are saying things about Democratic leaders that are smears, rather than observations.

CaptainTruth

(6,599 posts)
20. Bolton wants to finish the PNAC agenda. Iran invasion was on their list.
Tue May 7, 2019, 10:59 AM
May 2019

Let me guess, the non-specific Iranian plot info involves WMDs?

I saw this coming the second Trump brought in Bolton. And note how Trump has eagerly embraced the PNAC vision of an "imperial presidency" where the executive branch has more power than the other branches.

We're right back to GW Bush circa 2002.

Response to ashredux (Reply #22)

patphil

(6,196 posts)
26. This smacks of a setup
Tue May 7, 2019, 11:13 AM
May 2019

Israel can't be trusted. They are fundamentally a self-serving country, and will do whatever it takes to pursue their goals.
I have no doubt this is all fake.
Of course there are no specifics.
And then there is John Bolton...a world class sleeze ball.
Nothing he is involved in is ever on the up and up.

Patrick Phillips

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
34. Putin wants the US to
Tue May 7, 2019, 11:29 AM
May 2019

do his dirty work of creating divisions. Must be what those two criminals discuss during those long phone calls on a secured hot line. Rumpie has a nose ring firmly tethered to Tsar Putin.

I sure wish someone in the know would leak the content of those calls.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
33. I oppopse any American Soldier dying for Trump in any STUPID war he causes....
Tue May 7, 2019, 11:25 AM
May 2019

Iran has a sophisticated Army and Air Force, and will fight to the last man to defend its sovereignty. Persian history is rich. Trump will not be able to create a coalition of the willing with our allies, because he has pissed them all off. Israel has its own reasons for going to war with Iran.


We have no business going to war in South America either.

The House Democrats control the purse strings and can say NO to more monies for STUPID wars.

BruceWane

(345 posts)
35. I don't doubt it, either.
Tue May 7, 2019, 11:33 AM
May 2019

It's occurred to me that Trump's only real motivation is the cheering of his base. Public adulation is the only reason Trump even ran for president. No actual desire to make America "great again" in and of itself, only the desire to be credited and adored upon success. His campaign platform started off with nearly nothing ,pretty much just "I'm the guy that's rich and famous for being the 'master of the deal', and I'm going to make better deals than these other guys". His platform was "I'm gonna Trump-ify the White House".

All the specific policies have come about from a)the things that cause the loudest cheers at his rallies and b)the machinations and manipulations of the people in his campaign and administration.

He will do anything that draws cheers from his base. Anything.

Defy democrats? LOUD cheers, no matter what the defiance is - even flagrant disregard for the law.

Get drawn into a war? Absolutely. When it's framed as "defending ISRAEL, and the USA", the cheers will be absolutely rabid.

This is the ONLY thing driving this man. He has no morals, no respect for the law, and no compassion, we've seen that over and over again. He is nothing but a deeply flawed ego, seeking the next fix that makes him feel like maybe he's not worthless.

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