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pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
Sun May 12, 2019, 05:23 PM May 2019

Whether they do it or we do it, it's wrong to use the name of Pocahontas as a joke

Last edited Sun May 12, 2019, 09:52 PM - Edit history (1)

or as a weapon. Or to use a "play on words" involving her name, or to hit Trump back with such a joke. To do so is to use Native Americans in our partisan politics, and they don't want their ancestors, culture, or history to be employed as a political joke or a weapon.

Bill Maher was wrong (as he often is). Please don't compound his mistake.

From the National Congress of American Indians:

https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/ncai-condemns-president-trump-s-derogatory-use-of-pocahontas--KArFACFlku_jlYnYVYNHg/

“NCAI is a bi-partisan organization that works equitably with both sides of the political aisle, and it is not our common practice to comment on the partisan name calling that has come to dominate American politics,” said NCAI Executive Director Jacqueline Pata in the official release. “But we cannot and will not stand silent when our Native ancestors, cultures, and histories are used in a derogatory manner for political gain.”

Pocahontas is a “well-known historical Native figure” that has been turned into a derogatory term. The NCAI release states that, “in fact, the cultural misappropriation of Native American cultures and traditions unfortunately was a common occurrence during the 2016 election season, with multiple attacks by candidates and their surrogates during debates, rallies, and live broadcast appearances.”

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Whether they do it or we do it, it's wrong to use the name of Pocahontas as a joke (Original Post) pnwmom May 2019 OP
yeah i agree...it made me uncomfortable reading it samnsara May 2019 #1
A Comedian True Blue American May 2019 #2
Warren is too smart to be doing that, since she finally had her apology pnwmom May 2019 #3
It was a Comedian. True Blue American May 2019 #4
Apparently you haven't noticed, but that name is being tossed all over DU right now. pnwmom May 2019 #5
It's a shitty joke, and it's shitty to repeat it. WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #6
Yup. Tipperary May 2019 #12
I guess you guys have completely True Blue American May 2019 #34
I'm guessing they weren't among those offended by Warren taking the DNA test, pnwmom May 2019 #39
You find it offensive. True Blue American May 2019 #41
Did you hear about what happened to Warren after she took the DNA test? pnwmom May 2019 #43
My answer? True Blue American May 2019 #46
Use Brokeymon. Funtatlaguy May 2019 #7
Now that works for me Rural_Progressive May 2019 #25
What you just said proves the point of this thread - Ms. Toad May 2019 #32
I must not be politically correct. We all thought it was funny. True Blue American May 2019 #35
How could Pocahontus be considered an "unflattering nickname"? Except by someone pnwmom May 2019 #40
K&R. WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #8
Not saying this right, but EVERYONE is sick of president 6 yr old name calling. Irishxs May 2019 #9
So we should stoop to his level? n/t Ms. Toad May 2019 #33
+1. n/t pnwmom May 2019 #38
Completely agree. suffragette May 2019 #10
Completely agree also! G_j May 2019 #11
Poor taste and one would hope DU above such behavior. PufPuf23 May 2019 #13
Yes, one would hope MuseRider May 2019 #14
I like Brokemon better. Cracklin Charlie May 2019 #15
Shhhh, we are making it worse. Forget about it. MasonDreams May 2019 #16
Surely It Was Terribly Wrong for Trump, But Throwing It Back In His Fat Face Is Fair Play DoctorJoJo May 2019 #17
No, it isn't. It is weaponizing an important Native American figure for our partisan politics pnwmom May 2019 #26
I'd like to put it out there Dorian Gray May 2019 #27
I agree. But there were at least three separate OP's on DU today pushing this joke. pnwmom May 2019 #30
Fair enough Dorian Gray May 2019 #50
Untrue ProfessorGAC May 2019 #48
i won't be repeating that. Thanks for the post Kurt V. May 2019 #18
Agreed. NT. warmfeet May 2019 #19
I totally agree. dogman May 2019 #20
With all of the Brilliant Comedians & Writers, Surely it's Not too Difficult to Create a... dlk May 2019 #21
Not saying it's right, but it plays to the lowest common denominator ProudLib72 May 2019 #22
Brokezilla BluesRunTheGame May 2019 #23
Absolutely. K&R nt backtoblue May 2019 #24
Kind of a teensy, tiny bit wrong to misspell it. n/t rzemanfl May 2019 #28
I couldn't agree more. defacto7 May 2019 #29
Call Trump "Cadet Brokespurs" and offend no one except Trump and his followers. yellowcanine May 2019 #31
Agree wholeheartedly and I know better and should have done better in the moment. Anon-C May 2019 #36
You're very welcome, Anon-C! n/t pnwmom May 2019 #37
Completely agree. cwydro May 2019 #42
Thank you for telling me what is acceptable 912gdm May 2019 #44
I am letting people know that a major Native American organization finds those jokes offensive. pnwmom May 2019 #45
again, thank you for letting me know what is acceptable. 912gdm May 2019 #47
Well, you're half right. LanternWaste May 2019 #49
It's edgy, but fine. gulliver May 2019 #51
"Ourselves"? Are you Native American? Do you have a right to tell them pnwmom May 2019 #52

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
3. Warren is too smart to be doing that, since she finally had her apology
Sun May 12, 2019, 05:34 PM
May 2019

accepted by the Cherokee Nation for taking a DNA test after being taunted with that name.

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
34. I guess you guys have completely
Sun May 12, 2019, 11:51 PM
May 2019

Lost your sense of humor. My Husbands family has Cherokee blood. They think it is funny, as a dig at Trump.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
39. I'm guessing they weren't among those offended by Warren taking the DNA test,
Mon May 13, 2019, 03:35 AM
May 2019

for which she had to apologize to the Cherokee Nation. (Even though the Eastern Band Cherokee actually requires it for an application.)

We're not doing Warren any favors by pushing a meme that is offensive to many. Why associate Democrats with that?

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
41. You find it offensive.
Mon May 13, 2019, 04:46 AM
May 2019

I do not!

My thanks to dam Schiff.

I simply thought it showed Trump ignorance when he first used the foolish name. You would know a Comedian would use it.

My family thought little about it. When my Son heard there was Cherokee blood in the family the first words out of his mouth were,” Can I open a Casino now?” His Father’s family settled in Pigeon Forge in the 1700’s. A Cherokee man married into the family, took the family name so he could buy a house. No big del. After research they now have a picture of him. The family has long kept a record so it was easy.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
43. Did you hear about what happened to Warren after she took the DNA test?
Mon May 13, 2019, 05:02 AM
May 2019

Democrats shouldn't risk offending Native Americans by weaponizing their history or ancestors in the fight against Trump.

What the Congress of American Indians said in their statement applies to Democrats and Republicans equally -- even if you personally, as a relative to people who are 1/4 Native American, aren't offended.


https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/ncai-condemns-president-trump-s-derogatory-use-of-pocahontas--KArFACFlku_jlYnYVYNHg/

“NCAI is a bi-partisan organization that works equitably with both sides of the political aisle, and it is not our common practice to comment on the partisan name calling that has come to dominate American politics,” said NCAI Executive Director Jacqueline Pata in the official release. “But we cannot and will not stand silent when our Native ancestors, cultures, and histories are used in a derogatory manner for political gain.”

Pocahontas is a “well-known historical Native figure” that has been turned into a derogatory term. The NCAI release states that, “in fact, the cultural misappropriation of Native American cultures and traditions unfortunately was a common occurrence during the 2016 election season, with multiple attacks by candidates and their surrogates during debates, rallies, and live broadcast appearances.”

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
46. My answer?
Mon May 13, 2019, 05:15 AM
May 2019

Bull! Politically correct will get us nowhere with the idiots we have running the show!

I am sick of this subject that was simply a joke by a Comedian! Keep beating the drum if you wish!

Oh, gee, I made another joke!

Funtatlaguy

(10,887 posts)
7. Use Brokeymon.
Sun May 12, 2019, 05:40 PM
May 2019

You know His $130,000 paid off porn star called him Pokeymon, turns out he was also Brokeymon.

Rural_Progressive

(1,107 posts)
25. Now that works for me
Sun May 12, 2019, 08:20 PM
May 2019

Although I really enjoy it when someone has a slur, racial, ethnic or otherwise, turned back on them and that is what "brokahontas" is all about.

Donnie O put somebody down and did his juvenile attempt to brand them with an unflattering nickname. Then another person was clever enough to turn it back on him, well I guess I'm just not sensitive enough to have a problem with that.

Ms. Toad

(34,092 posts)
32. What you just said proves the point of this thread -
Sun May 12, 2019, 10:22 PM
May 2019

and all of the attempts to use people's lives to attack Reputlicans as "fair game"

Donnie O put somebody down and did his juvenile attempt to brand them with an unflattering nickname. Then another person was clever enough to turn it back on him, well I guess I'm just not sensitive enough to have a problem with that.


In other words you just acknowledged that Pochontas is a slur and an "unflattering nickname," that you find acceptable to use to insult Trump (regardless of the fact that you are - in essence - announcing to the world that there is something inherently negative in being Native American).

I am sure you would not consciously intend to express that opinion - BUT - that is precisely what I hear when gay is used to insult Trump. I imagine it is much the same whether it is Trump using it to insult Warren - OR - members of DU using it to insult Trump.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
40. How could Pocahontus be considered an "unflattering nickname"? Except by someone
Mon May 13, 2019, 03:37 AM
May 2019

who doesn't like Native Americans?

Why would we want to behave like someone who doesn't like Native Americans?

MuseRider

(34,120 posts)
14. Yes, one would hope
Sun May 12, 2019, 06:04 PM
May 2019

but sometimes I barely recognize this place and the people I am supposedly sided with.

So some dick comedian (yes I know who it is and this is what I think of him and his racist, misogynist, name calling comedy) says something his sophomoric mind thinks is funny and now we have to see it all over the place.

I agree with you and the OP. I am sick of the name calling and sick to death of this particular name caller being thought of as anything other than on "his own side".

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
26. No, it isn't. It is weaponizing an important Native American figure for our partisan politics
Sun May 12, 2019, 08:28 PM
May 2019

and it's just as wrong for us to throw it back as for Trump to toss it in the first place.

Dorian Gray

(13,501 posts)
27. I'd like to put it out there
Sun May 12, 2019, 08:37 PM
May 2019

that Maher isn't "us." He's a libertarian politically incorrect asshole who swings liberal at times. But I wouldn't claim him as a progressive.

Dorian Gray

(13,501 posts)
50. Fair enough
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:43 PM
May 2019

when I responded to this thread, this was at the top and the only one I had read. I see people (sadly) ran with the joke. Ugh.

ProfessorGAC

(65,191 posts)
48. Untrue
Mon May 13, 2019, 05:36 AM
May 2019

He has heavily donated to dems for years
This thing about him being a libertarian is abjectly and provably false

dogman

(6,073 posts)
20. I totally agree.
Sun May 12, 2019, 07:44 PM
May 2019

Why push t-Rump's racist trope? If a politically incorrect comedian tells his joke, he owns it. Elizabeth has already been falsely attacked for prolonging the meme.

dlk

(11,578 posts)
21. With all of the Brilliant Comedians & Writers, Surely it's Not too Difficult to Create a...
Sun May 12, 2019, 07:54 PM
May 2019

...snappy and funny (and derogatory) nickname for Trump that doesn’t have racist overtones. We’re smarter than that.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
22. Not saying it's right, but it plays to the lowest common denominator
Sun May 12, 2019, 08:02 PM
May 2019

You make fun using a racial slur, so I will make fun right back using a play on that racial slur.

That's why it has been trending all day on twitter.

We all know that twitter is a cesspool. Kind of what we should expect.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
31. Call Trump "Cadet Brokespurs" and offend no one except Trump and his followers.
Sun May 12, 2019, 09:59 PM
May 2019

Two birds with one stone - Calls him out for his cowardice and his crappy business deals.

Anon-C

(3,430 posts)
36. Agree wholeheartedly and I know better and should have done better in the moment.
Mon May 13, 2019, 03:16 AM
May 2019

Thanks for the OP, pnwmom!

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
45. I am letting people know that a major Native American organization finds those jokes offensive.
Mon May 13, 2019, 05:12 AM
May 2019

Apparently some Democrats either didn't know or didn't care.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
49. Well, you're half right.
Mon May 13, 2019, 01:41 PM
May 2019

"Thank you for telling me what is acceptable. I would never know."

Well, you're half right.




(petulance meets petulance... which one denies its own existence first?)

gulliver

(13,195 posts)
51. It's edgy, but fine.
Mon May 13, 2019, 08:46 PM
May 2019

Theirs no disrespect of Pocahontas intended. It's a joke, and a good one. Yeah, I hear what you are hearing too, but we've got to train ourselves to stop being so squeamish.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
52. "Ourselves"? Are you Native American? Do you have a right to tell them
Mon May 13, 2019, 09:46 PM
May 2019

not to feel "squeamish" about having their ancestor weaponized in partisan politics?

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