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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhether they do it or we do it, it's wrong to use the name of Pocahontas as a joke
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or as a weapon. Or to use a "play on words" involving her name, or to hit Trump back with such a joke. To do so is to use Native Americans in our partisan politics, and they don't want their ancestors, culture, or history to be employed as a political joke or a weapon.
Bill Maher was wrong (as he often is). Please don't compound his mistake.
From the National Congress of American Indians:
https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/ncai-condemns-president-trump-s-derogatory-use-of-pocahontas--KArFACFlku_jlYnYVYNHg/
NCAI is a bi-partisan organization that works equitably with both sides of the political aisle, and it is not our common practice to comment on the partisan name calling that has come to dominate American politics, said NCAI Executive Director Jacqueline Pata in the official release. But we cannot and will not stand silent when our Native ancestors, cultures, and histories are used in a derogatory manner for political gain.
Pocahontas is a well-known historical Native figure that has been turned into a derogatory term. The NCAI release states that, in fact, the cultural misappropriation of Native American cultures and traditions unfortunately was a common occurrence during the 2016 election season, with multiple attacks by candidates and their surrogates during debates, rallies, and live broadcast appearances.
samnsara
(17,636 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Said, Warren is now calling Trump Brokeahantus now!
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)accepted by the Cherokee Nation for taking a DNA test after being taunted with that name.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)pnwmom
(108,995 posts)Lots of people seem to have appreciated Maher's joke.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212092636
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212091880
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212093118
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,438 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Lost your sense of humor. My Husbands family has Cherokee blood. They think it is funny, as a dig at Trump.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)for which she had to apologize to the Cherokee Nation. (Even though the Eastern Band Cherokee actually requires it for an application.)
We're not doing Warren any favors by pushing a meme that is offensive to many. Why associate Democrats with that?
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)I do not!
My thanks to dam Schiff.
I simply thought it showed Trump ignorance when he first used the foolish name. You would know a Comedian would use it.
My family thought little about it. When my Son heard there was Cherokee blood in the family the first words out of his mouth were, Can I open a Casino now? His Fathers family settled in Pigeon Forge in the 1700s. A Cherokee man married into the family, took the family name so he could buy a house. No big del. After research they now have a picture of him. The family has long kept a record so it was easy.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)Democrats shouldn't risk offending Native Americans by weaponizing their history or ancestors in the fight against Trump.
What the Congress of American Indians said in their statement applies to Democrats and Republicans equally -- even if you personally, as a relative to people who are 1/4 Native American, aren't offended.
https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/ncai-condemns-president-trump-s-derogatory-use-of-pocahontas--KArFACFlku_jlYnYVYNHg/
NCAI is a bi-partisan organization that works equitably with both sides of the political aisle, and it is not our common practice to comment on the partisan name calling that has come to dominate American politics, said NCAI Executive Director Jacqueline Pata in the official release. But we cannot and will not stand silent when our Native ancestors, cultures, and histories are used in a derogatory manner for political gain.
Pocahontas is a well-known historical Native figure that has been turned into a derogatory term. The NCAI release states that, in fact, the cultural misappropriation of Native American cultures and traditions unfortunately was a common occurrence during the 2016 election season, with multiple attacks by candidates and their surrogates during debates, rallies, and live broadcast appearances.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Bull! Politically correct will get us nowhere with the idiots we have running the show!
I am sick of this subject that was simply a joke by a Comedian! Keep beating the drum if you wish!
Oh, gee, I made another joke!
Funtatlaguy
(10,887 posts)You know His $130,000 paid off porn star called him Pokeymon, turns out he was also Brokeymon.
Rural_Progressive
(1,107 posts)Although I really enjoy it when someone has a slur, racial, ethnic or otherwise, turned back on them and that is what "brokahontas" is all about.
Donnie O put somebody down and did his juvenile attempt to brand them with an unflattering nickname. Then another person was clever enough to turn it back on him, well I guess I'm just not sensitive enough to have a problem with that.
Ms. Toad
(34,092 posts)and all of the attempts to use people's lives to attack Reputlicans as "fair game"
Donnie O put somebody down and did his juvenile attempt to brand them with an unflattering nickname. Then another person was clever enough to turn it back on him, well I guess I'm just not sensitive enough to have a problem with that.
In other words you just acknowledged that Pochontas is a slur and an "unflattering nickname," that you find acceptable to use to insult Trump (regardless of the fact that you are - in essence - announcing to the world that there is something inherently negative in being Native American).
I am sure you would not consciously intend to express that opinion - BUT - that is precisely what I hear when gay is used to insult Trump. I imagine it is much the same whether it is Trump using it to insult Warren - OR - members of DU using it to insult Trump.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)pnwmom
(108,995 posts)who doesn't like Native Americans?
Why would we want to behave like someone who doesn't like Native Americans?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,438 posts)Irishxs
(622 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,092 posts)pnwmom
(108,995 posts)suffragette
(12,232 posts)K&R
G_j
(40,372 posts)please!
PufPuf23
(8,839 posts)Guess not. Bleh.
Thank you for the post.
MuseRider
(34,120 posts)but sometimes I barely recognize this place and the people I am supposedly sided with.
So some dick comedian (yes I know who it is and this is what I think of him and his racist, misogynist, name calling comedy) says something his sophomoric mind thinks is funny and now we have to see it all over the place.
I agree with you and the OP. I am sick of the name calling and sick to death of this particular name caller being thought of as anything other than on "his own side".
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Only discriminates against animated characters.
MasonDreams
(756 posts)DoctorJoJo
(1,134 posts)pnwmom
(108,995 posts)and it's just as wrong for us to throw it back as for Trump to toss it in the first place.
Dorian Gray
(13,501 posts)that Maher isn't "us." He's a libertarian politically incorrect asshole who swings liberal at times. But I wouldn't claim him as a progressive.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,501 posts)when I responded to this thread, this was at the top and the only one I had read. I see people (sadly) ran with the joke. Ugh.
ProfessorGAC
(65,191 posts)He has heavily donated to dems for years
This thing about him being a libertarian is abjectly and provably false
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)dogman
(6,073 posts)Why push t-Rump's racist trope? If a politically incorrect comedian tells his joke, he owns it. Elizabeth has already been falsely attacked for prolonging the meme.
dlk
(11,578 posts)...snappy and funny (and derogatory) nickname for Trump that doesnt have racist overtones. Were smarter than that.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)You make fun using a racial slur, so I will make fun right back using a play on that racial slur.
That's why it has been trending all day on twitter.
We all know that twitter is a cesspool. Kind of what we should expect.
BluesRunTheGame
(1,620 posts)backtoblue
(11,345 posts)rzemanfl
(29,569 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)Two birds with one stone - Calls him out for his cowardice and his crappy business deals.
Anon-C
(3,430 posts)Thanks for the OP, pnwmom!
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Cant believe there are some here who dont get how offensive it is.
912gdm
(959 posts)I would never know .
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)Apparently some Democrats either didn't know or didn't care.
912gdm
(959 posts)I thank you for your service.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Thank you for telling me what is acceptable. I would never know."
Well, you're half right.
(petulance meets petulance... which one denies its own existence first?)
gulliver
(13,195 posts)Theirs no disrespect of Pocahontas intended. It's a joke, and a good one. Yeah, I hear what you are hearing too, but we've got to train ourselves to stop being so squeamish.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)not to feel "squeamish" about having their ancestor weaponized in partisan politics?