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https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/mueller-statement-russia-investigation-may-29-2019Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, speaking at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco, said many of her constituents support starting impeachment proceedings against President Trump but she wants to ensure that any case Congress makes is a "compelling" one.
Pelosi said that "nothing is off the table" but stressed the need for an "ironclad" case to convince Republican lawmakers.
"But we do want to make such a compelling case, such an ironclad case that even the Republican Senate would at the time seems to be not an objective jury will be convinced of the path that we have to take as a country," she said.
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that's all there is.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)so that's a poor framing.
she should have said something like "any reasonable person looking at this would conclude that impeachment was necessary" or something like that.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)there are all sorts of things one can say never too.
I'm never living forever.
I'm never walking on the sun.
I'm never surviving breathing in space without a suit.
I'm never making the NBA.
I'm never winning the lottery.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)so long as you buy a ticket. So, how can you say you're never going to win the lottery?
And, you COULD live forever, IF reincarnation exists... and, if so, you COULD come back as an NBA basketball player.
So, you see... never say never!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)wow.
montanacowboy
(6,107 posts)I can remember back in the day when we actually had power and Nancy would NOT go after the war criminals Bush and Cheney
She told us "We must Look Forward, Not Backward" and look where the hell that advice got us
It is time for new thinking
theaocp
(4,245 posts)of looking forward, not backward. The last time for me was Obama saying it. Enough of that shit. Look backward so we CAN get back to looking forward. Impeach the motherfucker.
live love laugh
(13,169 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
live love laugh
(13,169 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,694 posts)Anyone who lived through the GWB years, and was paying attention, had absolutely no excuse for not knowing.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Lunabell
(6,128 posts)Enough is enough.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Beartracks
(12,821 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)That shouldn't be a gating factor. If impeachable crimes were committed then file articles of impeachment.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)(Sorry for screaming)....to be a part or a reason for Impeachment. That is the job of Nancy's US HOUSE. Removal is the job of Mitch McConnell's Senate -- which we all know will not happen.
So, the need for a "compelling case" is straight BS. The case is there (been there) on Impeachment. Nancy needs to DO HER JOB!
live love laugh
(13,169 posts)Pelosi and Democrats are doing their job.
Democrats took over the House majority role in February. The redacted Mueller Report was released in April. Theyve scheduled hearings for the record only to be met with unprecedented obstruction. They still dont have the unredacted report.
How exactly should they DO HER JOB?
grumpyduck
(6,275 posts)not wanting to rush it into the Senate and have them vote it down close to elections, which would be a victory for him.
From what I've seen so far, MHO is that she's more interested in the future of the country than in getting T out.
LenaBaby61
(6,979 posts)There won't BE a country like we've known if something isn't done soon.
Yes, I get that we just can't go rushing into things. But when Nancy said she didn't want to investigate Bush/Cheney, and to look forward not backward, look at what we're looking at now:
We have a mad man installed into the Oval Office with GOP voter-suppression and ruskie HELP and he STILL has ruskie help. We have a Senate that doesn't care, is treasonous and complicit right along WITH fatso. We have russia's putin controlling our country and it's foreign policy. And I know she love her grands, but if this country keeps going on the trajectory it's going, look at what she'll be leaving them. The do have a base of wealth to fall back on (Not saying that Nancy didn't work hard to achieve all she has or doesn't deserve it), but what about the rest of us poor slobs who are fighting to just keep our heads above water. The mutherfucker along with tRumpthuglicans are STILL trying to get rid of the ACA, along with Low Bob Barr.
Back to orange fatso, he and camp are guilty of conspiracy, as they reached out to the ruskies with over 200 contacts just off the top. Fredo Jr. said he LOVED all of the dirt he thought the ruskies had ON Hillary. Manafort lied like an ostrich coat wearing rug as did other folks in the tRumputin crime syndicate which is one reason conspiracy couldn't be corroborated 'officially.' Fatso is guilty of obstruction, IS trashing out the economy, trashing out the rules of law of this country, making racism WORSE, has alienated us from our allies by turning this country into the USSA and is trying to militarize HIS DOJ against it's own citizens, and too many in our country are flat out DUMMIES and aren't the slightest bit interested in reading or understanding the Mueller Report, and they sure as HELL don't get that our country is in peril. Meanwhile, others are working and don't have time (I'd make time if my country was in peril) to read the Mueller Report. We have a mostly corporate media who also helped fatso get elected. I fear that the tops of our food chain heading Congress are (forgive me for this) old and slow and reacting too slowly to this slow, rolling ruskiethuglican coup. Mueller handed off to Congress. Mueller made Low Bob Barr look even worse if that's possible. It's crystal CLEAR. He also didn't exonerate fatso. He said if he could have said he was innocent he would have. He's done his job in MY mind, even though it was in an extremely LIMITED in scope. However, Mueller doesn' t get to just GO away into the sunset and rest up after 22 months. He will be a private citizen soon (His presser said so today), and this Congress BETTER subpoena him to fill into other gaps that we as a mostly dumb ass country just don't get.
Thank God Financial Services Maxine, for whatever it's worth has gotten it ALL along even though she's 80. Maxine Waters HAS explained everything about this orange criminals crimes et al. The REST of the Congress better do the same, because as I said "Too many in our country are flat out DUMMIES and aren't the slightest bit interested in reading or understanding the Mueller Report,or many are working and don't have time."
Maxine's 'gotten it' all along.
Volaris
(10,275 posts)Before it gets approved and sent to the Senate , the GOP over there will risk losing their majority if they DONT convict him .
That's the button that needs to be pushed. MAKE that fucker Yertle defend the publicly indefensible, and lets see what THAT does to his power trip.
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)👍
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)If that's Pelosi's goal, I'm with her. Forgive me for being a Machiavellian bastard.
As far as the compelling case goes, we already have one - it's called the Mueller Report. What we need to do is spend time burning through the right-wing and "balanced" propaganda and getting that compelling case to the American people. That's why the thing to do right now is to start impeachment hearings, and keep those hearings going for the next year or so.
If we rush impeachment, we already know what's going to happen. The House will vote to impeach, then the Senate Repubs will vote to acquit, and the whole damn thing will fizzle.
What you want to do is build the case in the minds of the American people (which means we have to burn through the propaganda), build the momentum, and time it so the House impeachment vote happens in late September 2020 or so, so the Senate trial has to take place in the weeks before the election. At that point, there will be so much pressure that a few Republicans will buckle, and the rage boiling through the American public will be so hot that Trump will get thrown out, the Senate will flip Democratic, and we can finally get some people with brains running the country again.
dalton99a
(81,648 posts)marble falls
(57,395 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,388 posts)still_one
(92,475 posts)the public is not in favor of impeachment
Chin music
(23,002 posts)any congressperson other than a select few D's even listen. It's akin to getting a job online. Big waste of time bc nobody ever knows the results of calling, or the resumes you send in. Maybe, if you're lucky, you get an email that says 'we didn't choose you." IMHO it's a way to not have to admit that the job economy is stagnant, and jobs only go to folks already w a foot in the door, and also congress can abjectly ignore constituents. they do what they want to anyway. Protesting in the streets is by far the biggest determiner for advancement, but, that's just me.
still_one
(92,475 posts)done all three, Leave a message, Talk to a live person, and write.
I also get a response most of the time.
If I want to talk to a live person, I usually find calling their local office in the state is usually easier to talk to a person than calling their Washington DC office.
Nancy Pelosi isn't my representative, but I was able to call her local SF office, and talk to a live person.
I understand your point though, it might not be easy to contact a live person, but from what I understand, they have people tabulating those calls.
Writing is even better
Chin music
(23,002 posts)Ty.
still_one
(92,475 posts)plurality of people asking them to
NewDayOranges
(693 posts)Or not to I'm but when to start the proceedings...
Maybe she's trying to time the proceedings to climax with the Republican Natl Conv or to end during 9/11 or something...
Goodheart
(5,349 posts)Madame Speaker, do the right thing regardless of what Republicans might or might not do.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,600 posts)You could have a video of Fat Donnie telling Putin face-to-face, "Thanks for everything you're doing to help me win the presidency. Working together I'm sure I'll win. I'll be sure to take care of you and your friends once I'm in office," and the Republicans in the Senate still wouldn't vote to remove him from office. Trump has a 90% approval rating among Republicans.
There is never an ironclad case for anything. There is always someone making a counter-argument -- look at global warming, which is as close to an ironclad case that science gets. 98% of climatologists say it's not only real, but taking action immediately is critical to the well-being of the planet and human race. Only two percent of scientists disagree -- nearly all of them are specialists in something other that climatology -- and nearly all of them are employed by the oil and gas industry. Using Speaker Pelosi's logic, there wouldn't be an ironclad case proving the existence of global warming.
Pursuing an impeachment creates a historical record for future generations, so they'll know the Republican Party put its own interests above their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution.
Americans want Trump impeached, or at least for the House to start an investigation into whether an impeachment is warranted. Anything else makes the Democrats look cowardly. If we're going to go down (i.e., Trump gets reelected), let's at least go down fighting!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,600 posts)Right now it looks like the "don't impeach"crowd outnumbers the "impeach"group. From today's The Hill:
A majority of polled voters oppose impeaching and removing President Trump but a strong majority of Democrats are in favor of doing so, according to the latest Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll survey.
The survey found that a plurality of voters, 43 percent, favor no action against the president, including 44 percent of independents.
Thirty-seven percent support impeaching and removing the president. Sixty percent of polled Democrats say the president should be impeached and removed, but only 36 percent of independents are in favor. Twenty percent of voters say Trump should be censured by Congress.
The new poll, which was conducted after special counsel Robert Muellers statement on Wednesday, has several other warning signs for Democrats agitating to begin impeachment proceedings against Trump.
Sixty-eight percent of respondents said Democrats in Congress should accept Muellers finding that there was no criminal conspiracy and 65 percent said Democrats should accept Attorney General William Barrs conclusion that the president did not obstruct justice.
It seems the Repuke Big Lie is working. If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)That's rare on DU, and I appreciate it. Facts matter to me.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)10% of Americans opposed the attacking Afghanistan after 9/11. Opposed Iraq. Got told to STFU.
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)The Speaker has been led along by events on this issue the whole time, rather than affirming the importance of rule of law and our determination to uphold it.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)The pressure on Pelosi to impeach is skyrocketing, she cant hold out much longer
DO IT!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
triron
(22,027 posts)Nancy is stuck in the mud.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)as public pressure does help... they're called "representatives" for a reason.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)How much taxpayer money was just wasted so they could hide a dead man's name on a ship so the unhinged toddler wouldn't throw a tantrum?
His behavior would get him fired from almost every other job on the planet. It's insane that McDonald's and Target have higher standards for who works for them than the fucking presidency does.
sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Response to Javaman (Original post)
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greyl
(22,990 posts)RoadMan
(48 posts)ego_nation
(123 posts)But they will care about losing Congress. Pelosis case is to the voting public at large, not the GOP controlled Senate.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)Blue Wave gave we democrats that boost we needed to get past the domination of the Republic party. Here we are graveling about whether or not we will win again if we start an inquiry into one of the greatest corrupters to ever wheel power in the United States Government.
So, if drumpf wins, we will still walk away with our asses in our hands, never to be trusted by our base again. If you are afraid to seek impeachment, go for censure and include the Attorney General. For God's sake, put something on the historical records of this country
or forever be known for fiddling while Rome burned. This is what I am hearing from the everyday democrats I encounter.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Because we refuse to fight?
myohmy2
(3,186 posts)...'compelling', we don't want to impeach frivolously, but
" ...such an ironclad case that even the Republican Senate would at the time seems to be not an objective jury will be convinced of the path that we have to take as a country," she said. "
...we should not be giving the decision to impeach to the turtle...
...either way we go Nancy, the shit's going to hit the fan...we'd be better off erroring on the side of history...
...impeach...
spanone
(135,907 posts)Beartracks
(12,821 posts)... have decided they will not be compelled, not even by the truth?
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