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Different Drummer

(7,646 posts)
Fri May 31, 2019, 08:16 PM May 2019

Mueller says charging Trump would have been unconstitutional. These legal scholars beg to differ.

By Greg Walters May 31, 2019

Source: Vice News

<snip>

It boils down to a Watergate-era memo from 1973 written by the DOJ’s internal Office of Legal Counsel, or OLC. That memo concluded that charging a sitting president with a crime would unduly interfere with the functioning of the entire executive branch.

The thing is, plenty of legal experts don’t actually buy that argument. They say the policy, and the memo from which it was born, represent an overly creative interpretation of the Constitution and probably wouldn’t hold up if challenged in the Supreme Court.

“There’s nothing in the Constitution that says directly that a president can’t be indicted,” said Ric Simmons, professor of law at the University of Ohio. “I think Mueller’s hands were tied. But there’s another question: Is the memo correct? I think it’s not.”

<snip>

And at least one candidate for president — Sen. Elizabeth Warren, Democrat of Massachusetts — has pledged to reverse the Nixon-era memo if elected.

Much more at https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/ywy54g/mueller-says-charging-trump-wouldve-been-unconstitutional-these-legal-scholars-beg-to-differ







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Mueller says charging Trump would have been unconstitutional. These legal scholars beg to differ. (Original Post) Different Drummer May 2019 OP
I believe Laurence Tribe has also argued against the DOJ guideline. triron May 2019 #1
Mueller didn't say he believes this, only that the DOJ guidelines he's bound by do StarfishSaver May 2019 #2
Right elleng May 2019 #4
He likely says it would be unconstitutional because quoting the OLC memo which said so elleng May 2019 #3
If the OLC memos had never existed and Mueller had indicted Trump, The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #5
$50 says there was an agreement between Mueller's team and Barr ProudLib72 May 2019 #6
There is still an opportunity to test this, watoos May 2019 #7
Maybe that wouldn't be such a great idea. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #8

elleng

(131,129 posts)
3. He likely says it would be unconstitutional because quoting the OLC memo which said so
Fri May 31, 2019, 08:34 PM
May 2019

and he complied with that POLICY.

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/olc/opinions/2000/10/31/op-olc-v024-p0222_0.pdf

Many disagree, and that's fine with me, especially for the future.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,858 posts)
5. If the OLC memos had never existed and Mueller had indicted Trump,
Fri May 31, 2019, 08:35 PM
May 2019

what do you think Barr would have done about that indictment? And would Mueller have kept his job?

And will Turtle Boy allow Warren's bill even to be debated in the Senate, let alone passed? And if it were passed, would Trump sign it?

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
6. $50 says there was an agreement between Mueller's team and Barr
Fri May 31, 2019, 08:40 PM
May 2019

that this would be the "conclusion" the team would reach for being allowed to continue the investigation.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
7. There is still an opportunity to test this,
Fri May 31, 2019, 08:43 PM
May 2019

The AG of NY can criminally charge Trump and push it to the SC.

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