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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf Trump is not impeached. the attacks will continue to worsen...
As we have seen, each charge against Donald Trump creates an even more dangerous and radical reaction.
With the first serious hint of impeachment talk, he reacts with his threat to a counter investigation of the investigators.
After Mueller comes forth to explain his report and to contradict AG Barr's version, Trump goes off the rail and accuses his opposition of "treason". When told that treason could result in the death penalty, he doubled down.
What's next?
How bad will it get before he is held accountable?
no_hypocrisy
(46,193 posts)you can't fix, and you're stuck with a fascist state. In other words, TOO LATE!
kentuck
(111,110 posts)I would agree.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)right over that fascist traitorous turd!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
elleng
(131,129 posts)J. W. Verret
Professor of law at George Mason University Antonin Scalia Law School
'I was a Trump transition staffer, and Ive seen enough. Its time for impeachment.'>>>
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016232911
It's happening.
still_one
(92,411 posts)If Trump is impeached, but the Senate doesn't convict, will the American public believe he has been exonerated?
The assumption that the attacks will get worse if he isn't impeached don't hold water at all from Trump's history.
Whether Trump is impeached or not, the attacks will get worse.
If Trump is impeached, but not convicted, the attacks will get worse.
If Trump is impeached, and convicted, that is the only way the attacks will not get worse, because he will have been removed from office
kentuck
(111,110 posts)If nothing is done, it is because "they" did not have the evidence and he is "totally exonerated".
still_one
(92,411 posts)corner
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Although the attack mode is his favorite.
wryter2000
(46,082 posts)Again, that doesn't mean he shouldn't be impeached. Just that it will have no effect on his behavior. Likely, he'll get worse.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)But it does seem that his reactions are getting worse with each new charge.
wryter2000
(46,082 posts)Impeachment could make it much, much worse
Gothmog
(145,567 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)...to stop the attacks upon our laws and institutions. Hopefully, he would be too busy defending himself to attack everyone else?
wryter2000
(46,082 posts)The only way to stop him is to defeat him in 2020
kentuck
(111,110 posts)At the rate we are going, I have my doubts.
wryter2000
(46,082 posts)The only other option is a coup d' etat.
Thekaspervote
(32,796 posts)Gothmog
(145,567 posts)McConnell could in effect call for an immediate vote and get rid of any articles of impeachment without a full trial
Link to tweet
While McConnell is required to act on articles of impeachment, which require 67 votes or a two-thirds majority to convict the president, he and his Republican colleagues have the power to set the rules and ensure the briefest of trials.
I think it would be disposed of very quickly, said Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.)....
Why on earth would we give a platform to something that I judge as a purely political exercise? said Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.), another member of the Judiciary Committee. We have to perform our constitutional duty, but if people think that were going to try and create a theater that could give you the perception that this is a matter that rises to the level of Watergate, thats nonsense.
Tillis said he would support McConnell bringing the impeachment process to a quick close, and that any kind of extended trial would be rewarding what I view as bad behavior on the part of the House.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Isn't he in charge of any impeachment trial in the Senate? not Mitch McConnell??
BeyondGeography
(39,382 posts)Does that mean we shouldnt have even bothered to nominate him?
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)That tells me they had been planning the coup all along.
Do we have a similar plan? I sure as hell hope so because playing by the rules does not work.
wryter2000
(46,082 posts)Impeachment won't do anything to stop him. The attacks likely will get much worse.
That's not an argument against impeachment. It's just to say impeachment isn't some kind of magic wand that will fix things. It does not hold him accountable. Only removal from office would do that, and the Republicans will make sure that never happens.
Snackshack
(2,541 posts)I dont think we have seen anything yet... If/when the walls really do start to close in around trump hes gonna pull out all the stops and it will get ugly. Because he thinks he can still get away with all this and between the timidity of Dems, his bullying and the way just enough doubt/cover is generated about the issues he just might.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Clearly, they will never want what I want. I want the hearings. I want his name run through the mud and his crimes exposed every damn day until the election. A dramatic and disgusting revelation every day. I want to see squirming administration figures testifying under oath. EXPOSE the rotten underbelly. Every damn day. I want subpoenas for the whole family, Pence and Trump. I want court orders. Documents. EVERYTHING on the table. Why shouldn't we know the truth before the next election?
If they are too cowardly to call it "impeachinghim," then call it an official investigation into how to prevent Russian involvement in our elections. I suspect that investigation will parallel any impeachment hearing, just by another name. EXPOSE the scumbags. Every Russian probe should end up a GOP person's ass -- Trump first, then all the rest of them. We Democrats have to start being as underhanded as the GOP. No impeachment? Then how do we go about making GOP lives even worse than the "I" word?
Buns_of_Fire
(17,197 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
TheRealistRealist
(180 posts)shanti
(21,675 posts)to start a war (or two)? It would bring the impeachment hearings to a screeching halt.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)It's the one thing narcissists can't stand. But that means the opposite of investigating and impeaching.
Another approach, that accomplishes both goals, is impeaching Barr. Get's the information out while making Trump seem less important.
spanone
(135,880 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Perhaps create a fourth branch of government with an elected AG at the head, as many states do. The AG would have the power to indict the President. To keep the AG's actions under control, an independent panel of judges would have oversight of the AG. The judges could appoint an independent counsel to investigate any actions of the AG, the President or a Congress member.
shanti
(21,675 posts)He would start a war. Doing that would take ALL the heat off of any impeachment process.