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I saw Eric Swalwell call for the impeachment of Barr and Mnuchin. (Original Post) panader0 Jun 2019 OP
It's being mentioned a fair amount lately-- hope it gains some steam. TreasonousBastard Jun 2019 #1
A practice run and some raw meat for the Impeachment now crowd - with fewer chips bet on the table empedocles Jun 2019 #3
I like and support this idea! pazzyanne Jun 2019 #18
There has been exactly one cabinet member impeached in our history standingtall Jun 2019 #2
Good candidates for impeachment empedocles Jun 2019 #5
Yep but I think Trump should be impeached first standingtall Jun 2019 #9
The way 'roll-ups' work, is the prosecutor 'flips' the little ones at the bottom of the empedocles Jun 2019 #19
Impeachment is different from criminal prosecution at140 Jun 2019 #26
Mueller supervised an investigation, never met with Manafort, and delivered a Report of that empedocles Jun 2019 #31
Mueller was the boss, he directed at140 Jun 2019 #32
The Speaker oversees all the investigations, and provides 'guidance'. empedocles Jun 2019 #34
I Trust Nancy! Nt at140 Jun 2019 #38
Hope we're all right empedocles Jun 2019 #39
There have been exactly two Presidents impeached in our history... TreasonousBastard Jun 2019 #13
Yeah we are talking about two members in the same administration standingtall Jun 2019 #15
And you believe impeaching Mnuchin will have no effect on the election? TreasonousBastard Jun 2019 #16
I don't think most voters care much about cabinet members standingtall Jun 2019 #17
Why not all of them Sherman A1 Jun 2019 #4
That's a better idea than impeaching multiple cabinet members before Trump standingtall Jun 2019 #7
to quote Nike: Just Do It. spanone Jun 2019 #6
And put it into the Courts at the same time. kentuck Jun 2019 #8
And if there is political backlash because of it standingtall Jun 2019 #11
The populace must be educated. kentuck Jun 2019 #12
Trump should be impeached and I don't think we will lose any voters for it standingtall Jun 2019 #14
having him as head of doj could really hurt our case. mopinko Jun 2019 #10
Agreed! wryter2000 Jun 2019 #20
That branch is damn well going to respect oversight or learn the hard way. ancianita Jun 2019 #21
I agree. We sat there with our teeth in our mouths while Dubya lied and started war. Karadeniz Jun 2019 #22
Should do it at the same time as Trump and not before. LiberalFighter Jun 2019 #23
Swalwell is awesome. I jusr kicked some $ toward his presidential bid. OMGWTF Jun 2019 #24
Go for it, start somewhere... BlueJac Jun 2019 #25
He's a good one. Stands right up to it and pushes back, as they all should. pdsimdars Jun 2019 #27
He won't be POTUS in 2020, but he will be some day. panader0 Jun 2019 #28
Yea, I don't think he will be either but it is nice to know he's in DC doing his thing. pdsimdars Jun 2019 #30
Ever wonder if that wasn't the plan? Chin music Jun 2019 #29
+1, "and gets help from russia again to win in 2020" uponit7771 Jun 2019 #33
+! Chin music Jun 2019 #37
YAAAAAAAAS!!!!! nt Baltimike Jun 2019 #35
excellent... myohmy2 Jun 2019 #36

standingtall

(2,787 posts)
2. There has been exactly one cabinet member impeached in our history
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 01:00 PM
Jun 2019

impeaching 2 at the same time would be pretty bold. No reason not impeach Trump if we are going to impeach his cabinet.

standingtall

(2,787 posts)
9. Yep but I think Trump should be impeached first
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 01:12 PM
Jun 2019

I thinking impeaching his cabinet members first could back fire on us.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
19. The way 'roll-ups' work, is the prosecutor 'flips' the little ones at the bottom of the
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 02:26 PM
Jun 2019

pecking order for information/roadmaps/sworn statements. Then comes the quickly expedient types like Flynn who get the early bird good deals. Then comes the bigger fish like Manafort who are so hemmed in by clear facts and records, that an adverse judge and juror can't keep them from being convicted. On deck to go against trump; are his family biz accountant, and a separate big accounting firm; Mueller's sworn indictment ready case preps, etc., etc.

Also, at the publcly known level, is yesterday's revelation of top Cabinet positions for sale, as in the $6 mil 'loan' to Manafort. Some point the missing Inauguration milllions, etc.

So trump thinks he is clever in using 'coded' language, but with the above roll-up underway, the case against trump can be so overwhelming - and so widely publicized that even fox is starting to cover it.

[Psst. The cognoscienti like the Speaker, Mueller, Committee Chairs, know all this. The green crowd, still in their salad days and green in judgement, don't quite get enough of it].

at140

(6,110 posts)
26. Impeachment is different from criminal prosecution
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 03:38 PM
Jun 2019

Manafort & Cohen were prosecuted for crimes by prosecutor Mueller.

Impeachment is done in the House of Reps by elected congress critters, and not by a head prosecutor in charge.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
31. Mueller supervised an investigation, never met with Manafort, and delivered a Report of that
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 09:40 PM
Jun 2019

investigation.
What the House Committees are doing is investigating, and will deliver a report for the consideration one Committee, and then submit to the whole House.
Similar procedures, all aimed at Individual 1.

at140

(6,110 posts)
32. Mueller was the boss, he directed
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 10:07 PM
Jun 2019

And supervised the Russia collusion investigation. Of course he did not go with the early morning swoop of those two.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
34. The Speaker oversees all the investigations, and provides 'guidance'.
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 10:20 PM
Jun 2019

Both Mueller and Pelosi, to me, looking like 'roll-uppers'

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
13. There have been exactly two Presidents impeached in our history...
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 01:27 PM
Jun 2019

and both of them got off.

How's them odds?

standingtall

(2,787 posts)
15. Yeah we are talking about two members in the same administration
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 01:39 PM
Jun 2019

in a short 18 month window. What time will left to impeach Trump after we spend months and months impeaching Barr followed by months and months impeaching Mnuchin.

standingtall

(2,787 posts)
17. I don't think most voters care much about cabinet members
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 02:09 PM
Jun 2019

with the exception of cabinet members with big names like Hilary Clinton or John Kerry. Btw the one cabinet member that was impeached he got off too.

standingtall

(2,787 posts)
7. That's a better idea than impeaching multiple cabinet members before Trump
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 01:09 PM
Jun 2019

that strategy would run the risk of making us look like we are scared to impeach Trump. People might start thinking they don't think they can get Trump so they are going after his cabinet members never mind the fact the senate is not much more likely to remove them than they are Trump. However I do think they all should be impeached, but Trump should be impeached first.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
8. And put it into the Courts at the same time.
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 01:11 PM
Jun 2019

If the Courts rule before the impeachment is complete, and in favor of Congress, so much the better.

standingtall

(2,787 posts)
11. And if there is political backlash because of it
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 01:20 PM
Jun 2019

it will ensure Trump is never impeached. There is only 18 months until the election I don't think there is time for experiments like this.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
12. The populace must be educated.
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 01:25 PM
Jun 2019

That this may be the most important vote in their lifetimes?

I cannot understand the argument that more Republicans will vote for him if he is impeached? Or less Democrats will go to the polls?

What information could they possibly receive in an impeachment procedure that would cause them to flock to the Trump camp, if they were not already there?

standingtall

(2,787 posts)
14. Trump should be impeached and I don't think we will lose any voters for it
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 01:35 PM
Jun 2019

unless we do something that makes us look weak on impeaching him. Like impeaching 2 of his cabinet members before him. Which will be processes themselves by the time we finish those there may not even be time left to impeach Trump. Trump should be impeached so should Barr and Mnuchin, but I think Trump should be impeached first or at least they should all be impeached simultaneously.

mopinko

(70,226 posts)
10. having him as head of doj could really hurt our case.
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 01:19 PM
Jun 2019

he is a big roadblock, and i hope they take him out first.
been saying that for a while. so much of the evidence implicates twitler.
it's as good a way as any to air the dirty laundry.

wryter2000

(46,082 posts)
20. Agreed!
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 02:47 PM
Jun 2019

They need to go, and let's hope it's a big circus, complete with obstruction charges and defiance of court orders. It's a wonderful way to show we mean business.

Karadeniz

(22,573 posts)
22. I agree. We sat there with our teeth in our mouths while Dubya lied and started war.
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 02:57 PM
Jun 2019

We twiddled our thumbs while the GOP spit on democracys majority rule by obstructing the majority from ruling throughout Obama's terms. Enough is enough. The public needs to learn that GOP corruption isn't going to be tolerated anymore.

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
29. Ever wonder if that wasn't the plan?
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 04:15 PM
Jun 2019

Barr throwing himself in there w Manuchin to take the impeachment heat, while trump continues to claim exoneration, and gets help from russia again to win in 20202. Exactly ZERO has been done to stop the cyber hacking again. If it had been dealt with, other nations would be able to fend of russias interference too.
Seems other countries in Europe, especially England, are still wide open too.
Where's our cyber counter intel folks? Why haven't they locked up our systems? Where's Silicon Valley trying to pitch in on this endeavor? Just wondering.
ps...Is Edward Snowden assisting the russians w information he stole from the US Govt vis his contracting job? Sure seems likely.

myohmy2

(3,176 posts)
36. excellent...
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 10:42 PM
Jun 2019

...start small and work big...get everyone used to the word impeachment...hone our impeaching skills...

...practice makes perfect...

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