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LuckyCharms

(17,455 posts)
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:18 PM Jun 2019

For what reason is Missouri requiring vaginal exams in order to obtain an abortion?

Forgive me please, but I am a little stupid when it comes to stuff like this. All I know at this point is that it sounds like some politician(s) in MO might need a kick in the nuts (not literally, Agent Mike).

What is their "rationale"?

Thanks in advance.

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For what reason is Missouri requiring vaginal exams in order to obtain an abortion? (Original Post) LuckyCharms Jun 2019 OP
To shame and humiliate patients. The cruelty is the point. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #1
Is the doctor supposed to be looking for something specific? LuckyCharms Jun 2019 #2
An indicator that the fetal cardiac pole is moving, thus providing a "heartbeat," I assume. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #11
Thank you. n/t LuckyCharms Jun 2019 #12
Yep! Thank you for digging for answers. Too many people don't know about the laws. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #13
I worked in an abortion clinic gblady Jun 2019 #25
The problem here... Moonriver78 Jun 2019 #36
Yep. Ohiogal Jun 2019 #3
They want to show pictures to the woman TexasTowelie Jun 2019 #4
Seriously? Pictures of the fetus? LuckyCharms Jun 2019 #5
Yes. The woman has to view the fetus. nt TexasTowelie Jun 2019 #8
Thanks. I want to go to a different planet. LuckyCharms Jun 2019 #10
Even California had mandatory ultrasound view and some days wait... I am not sure now MyNameIsKhan Jun 2019 #19
Check your references. California is a pro-choice state. Hekate Jun 2019 #34
I took someone to planned parenthood of CA MyNameIsKhan Jun 2019 #37
I don't know how these people think. Srkdqltr Jun 2019 #6
This just so reminds me of the Handmaids show marlakay Jun 2019 #7
To keep patients away because they don't want to be humiliated. lunatica Jun 2019 #9
Deterrence through cruelty. As with child separation at the border. Marcuse Jun 2019 #15
The Pussy-Grabbing bill: Missouri's homage to Trump struggle4progress Jun 2019 #14
TRMS was about that tonight. Laffy Kat Jun 2019 #16
I assume they think it will discourage BootinUp Jun 2019 #17
Along with the cruelty, the goal is to regulate abortions so that they are extremely difficult, Eugene Jun 2019 #18
to give rethug perverts something to fantasize about..... Takket Jun 2019 #20
To shame women. No medical necessity. onecaliberal Jun 2019 #21
Perverted doctors? Demon Dem Jun 2019 #22
It's not the doctors. MontanaMama Jun 2019 #29
Docs who provide the full range of women's necessary health care are not perverts. They are... Hekate Jun 2019 #33
No. The doctors are very upset about this. nolabear Jun 2019 #40
Because the sub-humans that made that a law are really really sick people. shraby Jun 2019 #23
Another hoop to jump through. rickford66 Jun 2019 #24
Because they want to subject women to something invasive and medically unnecessary The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #26
It's also time consuming. kskiska Jun 2019 #31
The intent is for the Christo-Fascist Handmaiden Party to intimidate women. Dawson Leery Jun 2019 #27
For the same reason the men passing these laws need a prostate exam... CaptainTruth Jun 2019 #28
I support this. MontanaMama Jun 2019 #30
The whole point is humiliation and dominance. BECAUSE THEY CAN. Hekate Jun 2019 #32
Good question. Chemisse Jun 2019 #35
Same reason Virginia tried to mandate a vaginal probe ultrasound 7 years ago: tblue37 Jun 2019 #38
It is the only time these incels will ever get close to one Tarc Jun 2019 #39

gblady

(3,541 posts)
25. I worked in an abortion clinic
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 11:35 PM
Jun 2019

For 5 years in the early 80's near Seattle. The first thing after the medical history was a pelvic exam to determine the gestation of the pregnancy. It was standard practice. Some women have very irregular menses, and can be off in terms of how far along she is. Measuring the size of the uterus via pelvic exam gives a good idea as to gestational age.
Another reason to examine is to determine the position of the uterus in relation to the cervix, which helps determine instrument placement. It can lie to front of pelvis, to the back or in the middle. Important info for the procedure.

Moonriver78

(9 posts)
36. The problem here...
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 12:51 AM
Jun 2019

Gblady the problem here is in the years that you worked chemical abortions were not really a thing. Now they are and the pelvic requirement is now being used as an assault to woman's rights. The ACOG does not recommend pelvics prior to an abortion by medicine and these laws make no distinction between the different procedures. In MO in particular the exams are done and then the 72hr waiting period begins. I could see these being done immediately prior to an abortion that is not chemical but to require for both is medically unnecessary and I am sure that placement for instruments is done if its not chemical and that means a woman is then put through two if them.

MyNameIsKhan

(2,205 posts)
37. I took someone to planned parenthood of CA
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:50 PM
Jun 2019

It may have changed now but in 2005, Ultra sound was done and followed by a 5 day waiting period.

Srkdqltr

(6,315 posts)
6. I don't know how these people think.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:24 PM
Jun 2019

I really think the men doing this get some sort of satisfaction?? out of talking about women in this way. It seems like a way to talk and think about women's "lady parts'.
I can't imagine they care about all this in a real way.
It is sadistic too.

Yes pols in MO might need a kick in the nuts. Actually, not might.. they do. A very hard kick.

marlakay

(11,484 posts)
7. This just so reminds me of the Handmaids show
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:25 PM
Jun 2019

Was watching it this week. In the beginning it started little by little, first women had to get husbands signature for birth control, then it got worse and worse.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
9. To keep patients away because they don't want to be humiliated.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:26 PM
Jun 2019

These people sit around and strategize about these things. Nothing is too humiliating, too cruel, too idiotic to use in their will to dominate women. They disguise it as concern for the unborn though because that sells. It’s prurient. Dirty minded fun.

Laffy Kat

(16,386 posts)
16. TRMS was about that tonight.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:33 PM
Jun 2019

There is no medical reason for the exam and the doctors hate doing it. It is strictly punitive.

Eugene

(61,939 posts)
18. Along with the cruelty, the goal is to regulate abortions so that they are extremely difficult,
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:37 PM
Jun 2019

if not impossible, to get. This comes on top of a mandatory 3-day waiting period and the state's unwillingness to renew the licence for the last abortion provider in the state.

 

Demon Dem

(43 posts)
22. Perverted doctors?
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:59 PM
Jun 2019

It honestly wouldn't surprise me. In fact, I'm sure there ARE some. (All Devout Christians, of course!)

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
29. It's not the doctors.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 11:56 PM
Jun 2019

Doctors have objected to this policy. It’s the politicians who aim to shame women....let’s be clear on that.

Hekate

(90,779 posts)
33. Docs who provide the full range of women's necessary health care are not perverts. They are...
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 12:18 AM
Jun 2019

...dedicated professionals who literally put their own lives at risk every day. Look up Dr. Tiller -- he was only one of many gunned down.

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
40. No. The doctors are very upset about this.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:26 PM
Jun 2019

They’re being made to perform an invasive technique for no medical reason. They are protesting loudly.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
23. Because the sub-humans that made that a law are really really sick people.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 11:03 PM
Jun 2019

They probably get hat-racks just thinking about it.

rickford66

(5,528 posts)
24. Another hoop to jump through.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 11:16 PM
Jun 2019

I'm sure "they" are giggling and coming up with more obstacles. These are concentration camp guards in training.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
26. Because they want to subject women to something invasive and medically unnecessary
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 11:41 PM
Jun 2019

to further discourage and punish them, and to force the doctors to do something they don't want to do and that actually violates their medical oath. If they do the exams they are inflicting an unnecessary, uncomfortable and invasive procedure on their patients; if they don't, the clinic will be shut down - and the state is looking for any excuse, any small violation, to shut down the clinic.'

There is a special place in Hell for the Missouri GOP.

kskiska

(27,045 posts)
31. It's also time consuming.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 12:01 AM
Jun 2019

Doing these unnecessary exams eats up time they have to actually do abortion procedures.

CaptainTruth

(6,600 posts)
28. For the same reason the men passing these laws need a prostate exam...
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 11:47 PM
Jun 2019

... every time they go to the optometrist, dentist, or get a haircut ... medically speaking.

Hekate

(90,779 posts)
32. The whole point is humiliation and dominance. BECAUSE THEY CAN.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 12:15 AM
Jun 2019

They can fancy it up all they want, but that is it. Because they can.

tblue37

(65,483 posts)
38. Same reason Virginia tried to mandate a vaginal probe ultrasound 7 years ago:
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:54 PM
Jun 2019
https://slate.com/human-interest/2012/02/virginia-ultrasound-law-women-who-want-an-abortion-will-be-forcibly-penetrated-for-no-medical-reason.html

. . . the Virginia state Legislature passed a bill that would require women to have an ultrasound before they may have an abortion. Because the great majority of abortions occur during the first 12 weeks, that means most women will be forced to have a transvaginal procedure, in which a probe is inserted into the vagina, and then moved around until an ultrasound image is produced. Since a proposed amendment to the bill—a provision that would have had the patient consent to this bodily intrusion or allowed the physician to opt not to do the vaginal ultrasound—failed on 64-34 vote, the law provides that women seeking an abortion in Virginia will be forcibly penetrated for no medical reason. I am not the first person to note that under any other set of facts, that would constitute rape under the federal definition.*
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