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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am ashamed that elected Congressmen are actually debating whether or not
Trump's asking the White House Counsel to fire Mueller, then asking him to both lie about that request AND create false documentation to support that lie, is a crime.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)that is my thinking as well. This does not bode well for our future.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Kinda discouraging.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Also that this nation elected Obama twice, something like 11 and 7 years ago now, but the same people and more are here.
Humanity's never been a bunch of patriot saints, and sometimes our worst become dominant.
Not sure we'll get through this latest threat safely, but it's not because we all became scum.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)the report came out. And think many in the press and even some Republicans were waiting to see our reaction. Guess we will never know where we'd be today if we were ready on that day and if we had had a stronger media/messaging plan. Announcing an emergency meeting of all Dem leadership to digest findings with a major primetime news conference set for one week later?
At that point a clear and serious denunciation of Trump's actions, and assertion that those actions were deemed impeachable offenses? An announcement that the Dems would start preparing for an impeachment inquiry? A recap of the other jurisdictions and what they were investigating?
sellitman
(11,608 posts)20-30% of this country is Bat Shit crazy.
There can be no other explanation.
elleng
(131,202 posts)Ohiogal
(32,118 posts)used to have some vestige of dignity.... not any more.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Death of Dignity sounds like a good book title. I'd read it.
ananda
(28,885 posts)gerrymandering, voter suppression, and hacking.
They weren't actually elected in a free and fair manner.
appalachiablue
(41,182 posts)riversedge
(70,350 posts)talking--but it was a Repug from Tx, Radcliff ??? Anyway, I am enjoying listening to Joyce respond
to questions.
mucifer
(23,576 posts)Just change it around to "PBO asked the WH counsel to fire the Special Counsel, and also lie about the request and create false legal documentation." Then see what their reaction is.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)It's a wing chung, double dare secret too, so shhhh...
stillcool
(32,626 posts)a lot of verbiage, or precursors to the accounts of the different individuals. about having knowledge that something was against the law. Seems like a lot of wiggle room in there. But, didn't it seem like every person interviewed expressed that Trump asked them to help him out somehow? Put in a good word, say that he was not under investigation, say that Rosenstein, not he, fired Sessions, etc., etc. And, so many people mentioned Trump saying he was worried because the Russia investigation would make his presidency look illegitimate. The totality of Trumps Presidency is lies told about, and by himself.
Evolve Dammit
(16,781 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)All the "drown the government in the bathtub" reactionaries now prefer a government that drowns democracy on a daily basis. They love holding power much more than being faithful to the very Constitutional ideals which they crow about. How did America get so petty, so enraged, and so unwilling to be a fair-minded leader on the international stage?
Because one-time "conservatives" transformed themselves into right-wing radical nationalists. The entire Republican Party (which has been teetering toward fascism since Nixon) finally got completely sucked into a black hole of anti-democracy, anti-science, anti-intellectualism, and hatred of POC, women, and LGBTQ folk, etc. The far-right-wing media has played a huge part in this demolition-derby by stoking fear and rage on a daily basis for the past 30-plus years.
Merriam-Webster's definition of fascism:
Often capitalized: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
From the Encyclopaedia Britannica's entry on fascism:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Neofascism
In the second decade of the 21st century, right-wing populist and neofascist parties and movements in western Europe enjoyed a surge of popularity, fueled in part by a large influx of Muslim immigrants following the Arab Spring revolts in 201011 and, in some countries, by continued resentment of the European Union (EU). Although Muslims in Europe nowhere became a majority of voters, they increased their numbers substantially. In France the FN, now led by Le Pens daughter Marine Le Pen, advanced for only the second time to the second round of that countrys presidential elections in 2017 (she was defeated by the centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron). In Germany in 2017, the far-right party Alternative for Germany (Alternative für Deutschland; AfD), which had adopted an overtly anti-Islamic platform, won nearly 13 percent of the presidential vote in national elections, and by the following year it was the second most popular political party in Germany, after the Christian Democrats.
At about the same time, a wave of right-wing populism in the United States led, in 2016, to the unexpected electoral victory of Republican presidential candidate Donald J. Trump. His campaign had stoked hostility toward Muslim and Mexican immigrants. Trump promised to suspend immigration from Muslim-majority countries because of the threat of terrorism; to build a wall along the countrys southern border to prevent the illegal immigration of Mexicans; and to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country, the great majority of whom had come from Latin America. Among Trumps supporters were white supremacistsincluding members of the Ku Klux Klanself-described white nationalists, and neo-Nazis, none of whom he disavowed. Indeed, members of those groups became more outspoken as Trumps campaign gained momentum and especially after his election in November, believing, with some justification, that their ideas were finally gaining a place within mainstream political discourse. In the immediate aftermath of Trumps election and during the first year of his presidency, reported hate crimes directed at minoritiesincluding Hispanics, Muslims, and Jewsincreased significantly.
BSdetect
(8,999 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Like shutting down womens access to healthcare, and really calling out the godless liberal indoctrination found in scientific research and education.
Yes its but reality is extremely surreal at the moment.
Vinca
(50,318 posts)I'd have it bound and looking like a regular book and send it to all the GOP politicians in the country. It blows your mind to think of all the "what if Obama" things that have happened. Imagine Obama talking about his love letters from the North Korean dictator.