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Is duing "the right thing" re impeachment ok even if it costs us the House in 2020? If we give back (Original Post) wasupaloopa Jun 2019 OP
The Repugs held on to the House, won the Senate *and* the Presidency in 2000... Dennis Donovan Jun 2019 #1
yup jberryhill Jun 2019 #2
Spam deleted by MIR Team calabrovarijo Jun 2019 #14
They fired up their base and made that election about something more BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #3
It's a hypothetical. What if you somehow knew for certain that it would lose us the House? marylandblue Jun 2019 #6
Republicans LOST seats in a mid-term election where they should have won more brooklynite Jun 2019 #11
But they didn't lose the House, which is what the OP said would happen to Dems Dennis Donovan Jun 2019 #13
And the charges against Clinton were chicken shit compared to the charges against Trump Tom Rinaldo Jun 2019 #15
This isn't 1999 or 2000, we're not talking about impeaching Clinton StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #16
How is it a "slam dunk" that an impeachment inquiry would cause the loss of the house in 2020? Dennis Donovan Jun 2019 #17
It didn't say it was. Why are you asking me that question? StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #18
To answer your post to me. Dennis Donovan Jun 2019 #19
Some people say that impeachmentloss. Some say itwiin. People on both StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #20
What if 'we' don't do "the right thing" and it costs us the House in 2020? GeorgeGist Jun 2019 #4
The point is, it's not about right or wrong, it's about politics. marylandblue Jun 2019 #9
Is doing the right thing re non-impeachment ok watoos Jun 2019 #5
Explain how it will "cost us the House"? Dennis Donovan Jun 2019 #7
no, even if impeachment were successful and (this is a huge "and") he is convicted and removed Thomas Hurt Jun 2019 #8
Holding on to the house - OhZone Jun 2019 #10
2020 is a Presidential election Democratic turnout is always higher in Presidential election years standingtall Jun 2019 #12
I think it's a false choice and false dichotomy. Crunchy Frog Jun 2019 #21
Ooooh great prognosticator please tell us the future Fullduplexxx Jun 2019 #22

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
1. The Repugs held on to the House, won the Senate *and* the Presidency in 2000...
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:28 AM
Jun 2019

How did Impeachment hurt them again?

Response to jberryhill (Reply #2)

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
3. They fired up their base and made that election about something more
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:34 AM
Jun 2019

than a referendum on the Clinton years. It was dumb.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
6. It's a hypothetical. What if you somehow knew for certain that it would lose us the House?
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:39 AM
Jun 2019

Say, if you had a crystal ball.

It's politically smart not to answer hypotheticals like this. Of course, once you do the politically smart thing and don't answer, then we are no longer talking about morality, we are talking politics.

brooklynite

(94,572 posts)
11. Republicans LOST seats in a mid-term election where they should have won more
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:44 AM
Jun 2019

Gore lost in 2000 because he was a poor candidate who chose to shy away from a popular President.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
15. And the charges against Clinton were chicken shit compared to the charges against Trump
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 01:06 PM
Jun 2019

That is why the American public were so frustrated with Republicans impeaching Clinton. But they understood why Nixon was forced from office. But they didn't understand his crimes before impeachment was actually underway.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
16. This isn't 1999 or 2000, we're not talking about impeaching Clinton
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 01:34 PM
Jun 2019

This is an entirely different situation in a completely different time, in an altogether different environment, with a totally different electorate, so I'm not sure how the Clinton impeachment and its political aftermath are in anyway predictive of the political outcome of a Trump impeachment.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
20. Some people say that impeachmentloss. Some say itwiin. People on both
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 01:50 PM
Jun 2019

sides are pointing to the Clinton impeachment as proof for their position. My point is that the Clinton impeachment tells us nothing about the potential political fallout of a Trump impeachment.

I haven't weighed in on either side of the argument, partly for that reason.

GeorgeGist

(25,321 posts)
4. What if 'we' don't do "the right thing" and it costs us the House in 2020?
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:35 AM
Jun 2019

Will you and Nancy feel vindicated?

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
9. The point is, it's not about right or wrong, it's about politics.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:42 AM
Jun 2019

I would take any legal course of action that is most likely to get rid of Trump, regardless of whether it's "the right thing" or not.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
8. no, even if impeachment were successful and (this is a huge "and") he is convicted and removed
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:41 AM
Jun 2019

before the election, Pence takes office, pardons Trump and he walks from all possible federal charges.

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
10. Holding on to the house -
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:42 AM
Jun 2019

is the right thing.

To punish the Trump Crime family, we need to get as many people to vote Dem in 2020 as possible.

If we lose, they are less likely to ever go to prison where they belong.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
12. 2020 is a Presidential election Democratic turnout is always higher in Presidential election years
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:55 AM
Jun 2019

than in midterms. If there was ever a time where Democrats could afford to take that risk it is now. If we don't impeach Trump maybe we can still win a close Presidential election, but there will be no way we can take the Senate without the extra energy to our base impeaching Trump will bring us. Then in 2022 we will lose the house and sense whoever the Democratic President is he or she will get nothing done due to republican obstruction and a republican will be president come 2024.

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
21. I think it's a false choice and false dichotomy.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 01:58 PM
Jun 2019

I don't have any reason to believe that "doing the right thing" would cost us anything politically, and it's very possible that failing to do so could cause us much greater harm.

Basically, I don't buy into your underlying assumptions.

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