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Arkansas Granny

(31,517 posts)
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 04:15 PM Jun 2019

Artist takes $20 bill design into his own hands with Harriet Tubman decorative stamp

Supporters of an Obama-era plan to put abolitionist Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill were disappointed last week by news that the Treasury Department has delayed the bill's redesign.

But artist Dano Wall decided not to wait for the Trump administration to honor the Underground Railroad hero. He has created a stamp that can be used to superimpose Tubman's image over President Andrew Jackson's portrait.

Wall created the stamp in 2017 with the intent of getting Tubman on the bill as soon as possible. In February of that year, he gave about 100 stamps to his friends before opening an Etsy shop to sustain the costs.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/05/27/us/tubman-money-stamp-trnd/index.html


Does anyone know if this would be considered as defacing currency and make the bills legally unusable? I didn't see that referenced in the article other than the statement about being used in vending machines.
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Artist takes $20 bill design into his own hands with Harriet Tubman decorative stamp (Original Post) Arkansas Granny Jun 2019 OP
His stamps are $40 and other Etsy sellers have been selling $15 & $20 versions for a while. TheBlackAdder Jun 2019 #1
I don't think it would qualify as defacement. NYC Liberal Jun 2019 #2
Lol jberryhill Jun 2019 #3
Lol Arkansas Granny Jun 2019 #8
Well it depends on what you want to use it for jberryhill Jun 2019 #9
I agree with the question: Can banks/businesses refuse to honor them when they are so imprinted? hlthe2b Jun 2019 #4
The banks have to accept them for full value FakeNoose Jun 2019 #6
People mark up paper money all the time. I've seen marks obviously done by cashiers.... Hekate Jun 2019 #5
It could be OK if I used cash. Sneederbunk Jun 2019 #7

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
2. I don't think it would qualify as defacement.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 04:23 PM
Jun 2019

From https://www.moneyfactory.gov/resources/lawsandregulations.html:

Defacement of currency is a violation of Title 18, Section 333 of the United States Code. Under this provision, currency defacement is generally defined as follows: Whoever mutilates, cuts, disfigures, perforates, unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, Federal Reserve Bank, or Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.


It's none of "mutilates, cuts, disfigures, perforates, unites or cements together", and also there's no intent to "render such item(s) unfit to be reissued".
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
3. Lol
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 04:27 PM
Jun 2019

Granny,

I'll let you in on a secret.

If you tear the tags off your mattresses, they don't really come out and arrest you.

Defaced currency is not "legally unusable".

Furthermore, vending machine bill validators work primarily on the fact that US currency has ink with fine magnetic particles in it, like audio tape, so that the ink pattern can be read by what are essentially audio tape heads inside the mechanism and compared with a reference pattern.

You might enjoy the "Where's George?" site.

If you ever get a dollar bill that's marked like this one:



You can go to wheresgeorge.com, type in the serial number, and see all the places it has been found by people who use that website (and enter your zip code to record where you got the bill).

Then you go and spend the bill, and see if it comes up again on wheresgeorge.com.

If someone doesn't want to take your funny looking $20 bill, that's up to them. 99.99999% of places won't care.

Arkansas Granny

(31,517 posts)
8. Lol
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 05:22 PM
Jun 2019

Jberryhill,

I'll let you in on a secret.

Granny knows what the term "except by consumer" means.

Granny also knows that sometimes people write on paper currency.

My concern was whether replacing the image on the bill would be considered defacement and render the bill unusable.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
9. Well it depends on what you want to use it for
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 05:42 PM
Jun 2019

If you were planning on rolling it up to snort a line of coke, it will be just fine.

If One was looking to purchase a favor from some of the ladies on Kensington Avenue in Philadelphia, it would probably be usable for that too.

Now, whether some kid at the counter of a Taco Bell is going to let you buy a number four with a large Coke is, I would imagine, entirely within that kid’s jurisdiction to decide.

If the kid at Taco Bell won’t take it, then you could go to the nearest US District Court, pay $350 and file your civil complaint seeking an emergency injunction requiring Taco Bell to take your $20 bill.

In all likelihood, it will be a precedent-setting case since, as it turns out, there is very little federal case law, and no Supreme Court decision of which I’m aware, that reaches the precise question of whether the kid at Taco Bell has to take a $20 bill that someone stamped some ink upon.

I’ll help you draft up the papers if you like.

hlthe2b

(102,282 posts)
4. I agree with the question: Can banks/businesses refuse to honor them when they are so imprinted?
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 04:28 PM
Jun 2019

I'm betting some would try...

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
6. The banks have to accept them for full value
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 04:39 PM
Jun 2019

However they might not give out the same "defaced'" bill if they think it violates their policy. Banks can retire torn and defaced bills and not lose the value of the money. The US government simply replaces the torn and defaced bills with freshly printed ones for the same value. While the bills are still in circulation various people see what's written or stamped on the bills, but once they've been retired they get incinerated.


Hekate

(90,704 posts)
5. People mark up paper money all the time. I've seen marks obviously done by cashiers....
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 04:35 PM
Jun 2019

...counting out stacks from their registers. As long as there's no intent to defraud (say, by pasting a 20 over a 1 to pass it as counterfeit). Paper money wears out fairly rapidly.

During BushCheney a whole lot of us wrote things on the edges of paper money. "Impeach Bush" was popular, as were things about the unnecessary Iraq War.

If I can get a Tubman stamp, I might be back in business

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