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real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 04:54 PM Jun 2019

BREAKING NEWS: House votes to hold Barr in contempt.

House panel votes to hold Barr, Ross in contempt over 2020 census citizenship question
By JENNIFER HABERKORN
JUN 12, 2019 | 1:35 PM

A House panel on Wednesday voted to hold Atty. Gen. William Barr and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross in contempt of Congress for failing to comply with subpoenas seeking information about the Trump administration's decision to include a citizenship question on the 2020 census.

It came hours after President Trump asserted executive privilege over the materials House Democrats are seeking...

The dispute comes ahead of the 2020 census, in which the Trump administration hopes to ask about the citizenship of members in every household. The citizenship question — not included on all census forms since 1950 -- has strong implications for California, where officials fear it will undercount the state’s immigrant population and result in fewer congressional seats.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-congress-contempt-barr-ross-census-20190612-story.html
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BREAKING NEWS: House votes to hold Barr in contempt. (Original Post) real Cannabis calm Jun 2019 OP
Forward motion. MontanaMama Jun 2019 #1
Just like a shifter. lpbk2713 Jun 2019 #4
K&R diva77 Jun 2019 #2
Great news malaise Jun 2019 #3
k&r n/t lordsummerisle Jun 2019 #5
Take him to court? How to enforce? triron Jun 2019 #6
Judicial Branch upholds maxsolomon Jun 2019 #7
And so we arrive at the great flaw in the US system. BSdetect Jun 2019 #9
It would appear so. maxsolomon Jun 2019 #16
Except Republicans in the Senate decided to protect the criminal... real Cannabis calm Jun 2019 #34
house can arrest Barr they just need the minerals to do so uponit7771 Jun 2019 #35
'executive branch complies' is the operative phrase. Volaris Jun 2019 #24
an uprising is not forthcoming maxsolomon Jun 2019 #28
Oh I know it. It would take shutting off the internet at this point, Volaris Jun 2019 #29
Or an end to two day shipping (as Lewis Black would say). BSdetect Jun 2019 #33
So what does that mean? Catch2.2 Jun 2019 #8
Barr will just have to arrest himself. n/t cureautismnow Jun 2019 #10
Perhaps, PLENTY of people with authority are ready, willing and able to arrest Barr real Cannabis calm Jun 2019 #32
I guess Trump will have to answer Timmygoat Jun 2019 #11
K&R UTUSN Jun 2019 #12
hurrah n/t Soph0571 Jun 2019 #13
I believe they already plan to fight the dems. They aren't taking it this far with the rainin Jun 2019 #14
Article on how census question could be used to gerrymander. Lonestarblue Jun 2019 #15
K&R. Good article, thanks. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2019 #18
That's a good first step. N/t ZeroSomeBrains Jun 2019 #17
Misleading headline (not your doing), the House Oversight Committee voted to hold them in contempt.. George II Jun 2019 #19
thanks for the clarification. Kurt V. Jun 2019 #30
Love it! Irishxs Jun 2019 #20
Fight on. Republicans are mouthy self-serving traitors. Guilded Lilly Jun 2019 #21
What is this? The 3rd contempt citation for Barr? DeminPennswoods Jun 2019 #22
I have renamed him UpInArms Jun 2019 #37
Use "inherent contempt" to arrest Barr and Ross. triron Jun 2019 #23
Good! yuiyoshida Jun 2019 #25
The Cup is ours! BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #26
Post removed Post removed Jun 2019 #27
I'm with you, grammy! smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #31
Good. Now cuff him and haul him in. GoCubsGo Jun 2019 #36

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
7. Judicial Branch upholds
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 05:14 PM
Jun 2019

the power of the Legislative Branch.

Executive Branch complies, DOJ enforces, or we're beyond the Pale.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
16. It would appear so.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:29 PM
Jun 2019

An Authoritarian has no respect for the structure of the Constitution.

Nixon would have been well-advised to refuse compliance, but he faced a real threat of conviction in the Senate. Trump can laugh at that notion.

"We" let the camel's nose under the tent.

real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
34. Except Republicans in the Senate decided to protect the criminal...
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 07:27 AM
Jun 2019

And many of them are up for reelection in 2020.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
24. 'executive branch complies' is the operative phrase.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:19 PM
Jun 2019

The executive branch deciding it won't comply, has but 2 constitutional remedies:
Impeachment AND CONVICTION
the Will of We the People (the next election)

If the next election is already rigged , and there is no will to CONVICT...

THAT will require an uprising.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
28. an uprising is not forthcoming
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:34 PM
Jun 2019

like most people living under authoritarians around the world, I don't believe americans are capable of it, despite their tough talk. especially when we're all employed.

it takes a long time under oppression until people say enough. look at sudan.

omar al-bashir ruled for 30 years.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
29. Oh I know it. It would take shutting off the internet at this point,
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:40 PM
Jun 2019

OR a second Great Depression.

real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
32. Perhaps, PLENTY of people with authority are ready, willing and able to arrest Barr
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 09:13 PM
Jun 2019


"Attorney General William Barr is going to prison. While he was able to escape prosecution for his role in the coverup of the Iran-Contra scandal, Barr made an incredibly poor calculation in thinking he could save Donald Trump. Perhaps Barr just wanted a return to the spotlight, but his actions prove that he is willing to give up any professional dignity he might have had left in order to temporarily protect a traitor to America."

The website, which features the picture (the Palmer Report) goes on to state:

"There is a good reason that Barr is doing Trump’s bidding in his attempt to bury the Mueller Report. The theory of “what worked in the past will work today” no longer holds the same validity. When Barr first sold out the truth to save Bush and Reagan, information reached the masses at a much slower pace. When one relies on a daily (or weekly) newspaper, the spread of information happens at a snail’s pace. With the current technology, however, people are much more informed as to what is going on and that does not spell good things for Barr or Trump, and both will end up in prison when this is all said and done."
https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/the-real-reason-william-barr-will-end-up-behind-bars/18060/

rainin

(3,011 posts)
14. I believe they already plan to fight the dems. They aren't taking it this far with the
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:22 PM
Jun 2019

intention of giving up. They will force the dems to back down once the only option left to dems is arrest. Does anyone see Barr getting arrested? Of course not. The dems have rubber sticks. It's only worked in the past because there's never been such a lawless president before.

Please dems, prove me wrong!

Lonestarblue

(9,996 posts)
15. Article on how census question could be used to gerrymander.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:28 PM
Jun 2019

Oddly enough, Texas has not objected to the citizenship questions, even though the state would likely lose House seats if undocumented people or even citizens with undocumented parents refused to return the census. But they are more concerned with ensuring permanent Republican control of the state legislature. The plan would be to use only voting age citizens to create districts as a way to create fewer Democratic leaning districts.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/05/30/texas-center-new-evidence-census-citizenship-question-case/

I hope the SC throws out this question, but with Gorsuch and Kavanaugh on the bench I have little faith that it will do so. They are pro Republican and will try to help them whenever possible with some nonsense about originalist thinking.

George II

(67,782 posts)
19. Misleading headline (not your doing), the House Oversight Committee voted to hold them in contempt..
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:55 PM
Jun 2019

Not the entire House, yet.

triron

(22,006 posts)
23. Use "inherent contempt" to arrest Barr and Ross.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:18 PM
Jun 2019

The third type of contempt power—Congress’s dormant inherent contempt power—is rarely used in modern times. Inherent contempt was the mode employed by Congress to directly enforce contempt rulings under its own constitutional authority until criminal and civil contempt statutes were passed, and it remained in use into the twentieth century. Under inherent contempt proceedings, the House or Senate has its Sergeant-At-Arms, or deputy, take a person into custody for proceedings to be held in Congress.

Source: https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-houses-contempt-powers-explained


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smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
31. I'm with you, grammy!
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:53 PM
Jun 2019

Enough of this crap, already. I think someone needs to take one for the team and come up with a "creative" solution here.

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