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Clash City Rocker

(3,396 posts)
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 09:17 PM Jun 2019

Is anyone else amused that Trump brings up Norway as a positive example so often?

We know why, it’s a largely white country, but it’s also one of the most socialist countries in the world. Does anyone else find it interesting that Trump so often mentions Norway in a positive light?

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Is anyone else amused that Trump brings up Norway as a positive example so often? (Original Post) Clash City Rocker Jun 2019 OP
norway is famously full of white people rampartc Jun 2019 #1
The Norwegian government should put out a statement madaboutharry Jun 2019 #2
it is not socialist. but white people in the US would support govt programs JI7 Jun 2019 #3
+1. Someone on DU once said the US would have treestar Jun 2019 #5
Your mileage may vary. I'd say it's one of the more socialist countries I've visited Clash City Rocker Jun 2019 #6
I've been arguing against the inaccurate use of the word "socialist." The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #14
History has shown this already misanthrope Jun 2019 #17
*sigh* For the umpteenth time, Norway is not a socialist country. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #4
What does DFT like about Norway? RainCaster Jun 2019 #7
It's fairly close to Russia. Maybe that's it. Clash City Rocker Jun 2019 #8
It actually has a border with Russia, way up north. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #10
Anders Brevik. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2019 #9
Lutefisk? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #11
or lefse Raine Jun 2019 #12
It is not socialist. former9thward Jun 2019 #13
Actually, the Norwegian government owns 67% of the stock of Equinor, the oil exploration company. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #15
Trump once stated he wished that more immigrants kskiska Jun 2019 #16
Time to revisit this piece of genius parody Leith Jun 2019 #18
That's brilliant! The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #20
Oh, yeah.... Leith Jun 2019 #21
There is a similarity, though I always thought Gilligan's Island sounded more like a sea chantey. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #23
Tremendous Norwegian - Great guy: dalton99a Jun 2019 #19
How interesting is it that Quisling took over his government in service to a foreign adversary? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #22

rampartc

(5,408 posts)
1. norway is famously full of white people
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 09:20 PM
Jun 2019

and trump has no idea that they might be (by his party's standards) socialists.

madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)
2. The Norwegian government should put out a statement
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 09:22 PM
Jun 2019

and reassure the American people that they don’t dig up dirt on our politicians.

JI7

(89,251 posts)
3. it is not socialist. but white people in the US would support govt programs
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 09:23 PM
Jun 2019

more if it would exclude minorities.

it's always been about race and other social factors. p

treestar

(82,383 posts)
5. +1. Someone on DU once said the US would have
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 09:31 PM
Jun 2019

the most extensive social safety net in the world - if it were 100% white.

I have heard conservatives say that social programs work on the Scandinavian countries because they are culturally monolithic. We have diversity, so it does not work here. Now what difference could that make? Conservatives don't realize what they are revealing about themselves with that argument.

Clash City Rocker

(3,396 posts)
6. Your mileage may vary. I'd say it's one of the more socialist countries I've visited
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 09:42 PM
Jun 2019

And my experience has been that, the more socialist the economy, the happier the people. Just my opinion.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,727 posts)
14. I've been arguing against the inaccurate use of the word "socialist."
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:20 PM
Jun 2019

Norway has a very robust social safety net, which certainly makes most of its' citizens' lives easier. The point I've been trying to make, apparently without much success, is that the mere existence of generous government benefits is not the same as socialism. Which brand of brunost do you think the Norwegian government does a better job producing?

misanthrope

(7,417 posts)
17. History has shown this already
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:47 PM
Jun 2019

Americans, by and large supported social safety net programs back when they automatically associated the recipients as being folks like themselves. Conservatives understood this and undertook a pointed and specific campaign to paint social safety net as "entitlements" and its beneficiaries as "other," as non-white despite the statistical evidence to the contrary. Reagan's "welfare queen" and "strapping buck" were textbook examples of the tactics.

Once their propaganda campaign wormed into its way into the public subconscious, support among white, middle class Americans began to ebb. People forgot about all the older, blue collar Americans who starved in their later years before Social Security and who grew sick and died before Medicare.

American society has been founded on racism since its inception. It was used to rationalize the genocide of indigenous people. White supremacy buoyed slavery, Jim Crow and red lining. It fed the grievances against every new generation of immigrants.

Racism is innate to America.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,727 posts)
4. *sigh* For the umpteenth time, Norway is not a socialist country.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 09:28 PM
Jun 2019

It is a constitutional monarchy with a democratically-elected parliament; it provides generous benefits to its citizens through high taxes and investments derived from profits from the sale of North Sea oil to other European countries. Apart from the oil exploration company, Equinor, whose stock is partly government-owned and partly publicly-traded, Norway's business and corporations are privately owned, as in the US (the guy who owns Viking Cruise lines is very, very rich). Its economic system is regulated capitalism. It's the regulated part that many people mistake for socialism. I think the reason Trump mentions Norway is that it has a lot of white people - who, by the way, do not like Trump at all.

former9thward

(32,017 posts)
13. It is not socialist.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 10:43 PM
Jun 2019

Companies there are not owned by the government. They are private. They can afford their relatively high standard of living and a good social net because of privately drilled oil. Something many on this site hate. Also almost no defense spending.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,727 posts)
15. Actually, the Norwegian government owns 67% of the stock of Equinor, the oil exploration company.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:26 PM
Jun 2019

But the rest of Equinor is publicly traded, like any other stock - with the exception of a small percentage whose profits finance the government pension fund, which has become the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world. All other businesses are privately owned. The guy who owns Viking Cruise Lines is crazy rich.

kskiska

(27,045 posts)
16. Trump once stated he wished that more immigrants
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:36 PM
Jun 2019

would come from Norway instead of the countries they're coming from. Like they'd want to give up their free healthcare and other "socialist" benefits to come here.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
18. Time to revisit this piece of genius parody
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:50 PM
Jun 2019



Does it remind anyone else of the theme to Gilligan's Island?

Leith

(7,809 posts)
21. Oh, yeah....
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 12:02 AM
Jun 2019

It's beautiful.

But, I swear that whoever wrote the Gilligan's Island theme based it on The Song of Roland.

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