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TheBlackAdder

(28,205 posts)
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 09:46 AM Jun 2019

Trump Refuses To Pay Police For Security At His Rallies

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The Center For Public Integrity investigated and found:

But when Lebanon City Hall sent Trump’s campaign a $16,191 invoice for police and other public safety costs associated with his event, Trump didn’t respond. Trump’s campaign likewise ignored Lebanon officials’ follow-up reminders to cover the sum — one rich enough to fund the entire police force for nearly two days in this modest city of 21,000, between Dayton and Cincinnati.

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At least nine other city governments — from Mesa, Arizona, to Erie, Pennsylvania — are still waiting for Trump to pay public safety-related invoices they’ve sent his presidential campaign committee in connection with his political rallies, according to interviews with local officials and municipal records obtained by the Center for Public Integrity.

Some invoices are three years old. In all, city governments say Trump’s campaign owes them at least $841,219.

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Five municipal public safety bills — from Green Bay and Eau Claire, Wisconsin; Tucson, Arizona; Burlington, Vermont, and Spokane, Washington — date back to 2016, before Trump became president.

The President Of The United States is bilking local governments out of nearly a million dollars. The problem is made worse by the fact that Trump tends to hold his rallies in places of political strength, and that often means local governments that are financially struggling.

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/06/13/trump-pay-police.html



Kick it back to the local taxpayers. Most of his supporters probably fund by civil theft/forfeiture anyway.

They'll just have to steal some more during vehicle stops.

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Trump Refuses To Pay Police For Security At His Rallies (Original Post) TheBlackAdder Jun 2019 OP
Cities should demand up front payment for security from his campaign rallies mnhtnbb Jun 2019 #1
Funny, they don't have any problem requiring protests to post SECURITY BONDS hlthe2b Jun 2019 #4
Good point. keithbvadu2 Jun 2019 #14
Can't cities just tell him to pay before he comes, or ooky Jun 2019 #2
Better. Send no police and hope the attendees attack him. machoneman Jun 2019 #8
Sure. No money up front? Come at your own risk. ooky Jun 2019 #9
got my vote. joshdawg Jun 2019 #13
unfortunately, you are more likely to have a news reporter beaten to death DBoon Jun 2019 #54
So reporters don't show up either ProudLib72 Jun 2019 #55
I think you are onto something... DBoon Jun 2019 #56
And then he whines about the fake news refuses to cover his rallies. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2019 #57
He would whine about the fake news anyway ProudLib72 Jun 2019 #59
If a drumpf blathers to a dozen brain-dead magats, royable Jun 2019 #61
..👍🏼 uponit7771 Jun 2019 #60
I am liking this idea. smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #65
How can you MAGA RVN VET71 Jun 2019 #72
When will communites start to say "no thanks" ? SallyHemmings Jun 2019 #3
There's certainly no excuse for any city that's owed money to let him come back again. tanyev Jun 2019 #10
He'll pay them after the check from Mexico for the wall NewJeffCT Jun 2019 #5
He's done this his entire life. spanone Jun 2019 #6
It amazes me that more people don't come out denouncing him for the way he smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #66
Cities should quit providing security services UpInArms Jun 2019 #7
One thing the con likes to do is sue people & if he isn't protected & something were to happen, yaesu Jun 2019 #27
I don't think so! atreides1 Jun 2019 #32
it doesn't matter, he would sue anyway, drag it out until the city settles, that is how it works yaesu Jun 2019 #37
They should sue him n/t malaise Jun 2019 #11
Doesn't that seem to be the logical next step? gratuitous Jun 2019 #25
It's also his way of doing things malaise Jun 2019 #26
Chump probably thinks foreign governments are going to pay FakeNoose Jun 2019 #46
To bad. Let these small little towns who support Trump pay the bill. Pepsidog Jun 2019 #12
Good. Then quit providing it. Firestorm49 Jun 2019 #15
Conmen con mostly because Goobers gotta be Goobers. NoMoreRepugs Jun 2019 #16
In trumps mind he does not owe them a damn thing. Doreen Jun 2019 #17
Local governments need to start requiring him to pay in advance 47of74 Jun 2019 #18
Easy, don't send police to his gatherings, maybe we will end up with some Darwin awards Perseus Jun 2019 #19
Trump not paying his bills? Who'd a thunk? Wounded Bear Jun 2019 #20
City commissions need to special one time property taxes, the Trump Visit Tax. Delmette2.0 Jun 2019 #21
Grifting on a massive scale. MontanaMama Jun 2019 #22
republican cheater values suck cesspool scum Achilleaze Jun 2019 #23
How about just not showing up? nt Galileo126 Jun 2019 #24
Charge the morons who attend $10 each to get in. Ohiogal Jun 2019 #28
I was thinking the same thing. Demobrat Jun 2019 #45
And Chump would find some way to steal that profit too. Initech Jun 2019 #77
This could be an entertaining debate question jmowreader Jun 2019 #29
They won't do that because most of those mayors are slack jawed assholes who support Blue_true Jun 2019 #67
They should all sue him duforsure Jun 2019 #30
This thread has me wondering about the legal basis fescuerescue Jun 2019 #50
Bet the campaign pays Trump property bills promptly MattP Jun 2019 #31
He holds rallies in places where he's popular. Fuck em, let the fools pay. jalan48 Jun 2019 #33
I agree. nt Blue_true Jun 2019 #68
he's a thief and a grifter.. who knew? EVERYONE!!!! mountain grammy Jun 2019 #34
CPI did the work jayschool2013 Jun 2019 #35
The more trump enrages his security personnel, the happier I am. (nt) Paladin Jun 2019 #36
As did Caligula. ChazInAz Jun 2019 #47
Words to live by. Paladin Jun 2019 #49
Blue lives matter, but green dollars matter more IronLionZion Jun 2019 #38
Anybody still waitin'? B Stieg Jun 2019 #39
I sent that info to a couple of Trump supporters True Blue American Jun 2019 #40
King's Privilege Demon Dem Jun 2019 #41
He's a deadbeat. Didn't we pretty much know that before the election? Liberal In Texas Jun 2019 #42
Well, if these cities and others continue to provide services then F em. Stupid is as stupid does. SayItLoud Jun 2019 #43
Lebanon City Hall should have consulted some of the contractors trump fucked over Javaman Jun 2019 #44
I don't know if Lebanon could actually say no fescuerescue Jun 2019 #51
A town shouldn't have to grant a permit House of Roberts Jun 2019 #62
Yea but "shouldn't have to" is usually not a great legal concept fescuerescue Jun 2019 #70
trump is a grifter and does not pay his bills Gothmog Jun 2019 #48
I spent over 30 years in the printing business. Mr.Bill Jun 2019 #52
I hope the next city he decides to rally in, gets the blue flu, just before his arrival. Meadowoak Jun 2019 #53
The cops will be happy to be there. He only goes where he is loved. Blue_true Jun 2019 #69
No one supports the police more than I do! Initech Jun 2019 #58
Hard to imagine Trump not paying for services rendered. lpbk2713 Jun 2019 #63
They are going to have to get in line behind all the others that Trump has stiffed. nt Blue_true Jun 2019 #64
And they must love every minute of it DFW Jun 2019 #71
Where's Frank Hamer or a Ilsa Jun 2019 #73
Kind of a stupid move if you expect to have rallies in the future Chakaconcarne Jun 2019 #74
could they arrest him??? bdamomma Jun 2019 #75
That's His Modus Operandi colsohlibgal Jun 2019 #76

mnhtnbb

(31,392 posts)
1. Cities should demand up front payment for security from his campaign rallies
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 09:52 AM
Jun 2019

or tell him to take his rally somewhere else.

machoneman

(4,007 posts)
8. Better. Send no police and hope the attendees attack him.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 09:58 AM
Jun 2019

That'll keep him bottled up in the White House until the FBI comes for hid sorry azz!

DBoon

(22,366 posts)
54. unfortunately, you are more likely to have a news reporter beaten to death
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:45 PM
Jun 2019

These are pro-Trump rallies, after all.

The police are more to protect the public from the attendees, as opposed to the other way around.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
55. So reporters don't show up either
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:55 PM
Jun 2019

The Rump holds a rally on his own dime. A dozen die hard humpers show up. Nobody is there to report on it. Consequently, it's like it never happened. I fail to see the downside.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
59. He would whine about the fake news anyway
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 05:08 PM
Jun 2019

They should treat his as irrelevant because that's exactly what he is.

SallyHemmings

(1,822 posts)
3. When will communites start to say "no thanks" ?
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 09:55 AM
Jun 2019

He is notorious for stiffing contractors. He can't be shamed.



tanyev

(42,559 posts)
10. There's certainly no excuse for any city that's owed money to let him come back again.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:05 AM
Jun 2019

Fool me once....

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
66. It amazes me that more people don't come out denouncing him for the way he
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 07:27 PM
Jun 2019

has treated the small business person. Why are so many of them keeping quiet? He actually drove many of them out of business because he refused to pay them. There are so many people he has fucked over and treated like shit and all along he has gotten away with it.

The man has a huge karmic debt to pay. My greatest hope is that the bill comes due in this lifetime and we all get to see him pay for it.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
27. One thing the con likes to do is sue people & if he isn't protected & something were to happen,
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:06 AM
Jun 2019

stubs his orange toe, gets a hair plug snatched away, he would sue for lack of protection. The scammer knows how to scam the system.

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
32. I don't think so!
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:22 AM
Jun 2019

Local authorities are not responsible for his security...that job belongs to the Secret Service! Local law enforcement mainly provide traffic and crowd control...if he falls from the stage, loses a strand of hair, that all falls within the purview of the Secret Service!

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
37. it doesn't matter, he would sue anyway, drag it out until the city settles, that is how it works
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:42 AM
Jun 2019

its not about responsibility, its about con-ability.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
25. Doesn't that seem to be the logical next step?
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:03 AM
Jun 2019

Document the debt. Send a demand letter with a firm deadline. If you don't get a satisfactory response, file the complaint.

People and corporations and government entities do it all the time. I can't imagine why none of these places has gone after the Trump campaign.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
46. Chump probably thinks foreign governments are going to pay
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 12:39 PM
Jun 2019

... for his security. Maybe they would, if we let them.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
12. To bad. Let these small little towns who support Trump pay the bill.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:20 AM
Jun 2019

it’s their Dear Leader. Typical conservatives always have their hands out.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
17. In trumps mind he does not owe them a damn thing.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:36 AM
Jun 2019

Why would he owe to something he owns? I bet that is one of his views on paying the police.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
18. Local governments need to start requiring him to pay in advance
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:39 AM
Jun 2019

And if he won’t then refuse to assist. Let Federal agencies do all the work then.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
19. Easy, don't send police to his gatherings, maybe we will end up with some Darwin awards
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:39 AM
Jun 2019

Let them deal with it, they can have Barr, McConnell, Graham, Gaetz, Jordan, and all the buttlickers do guard duty.

Delmette2.0

(4,165 posts)
21. City commissions need to special one time property taxes, the Trump Visit Tax.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:50 AM
Jun 2019

To recover the expense. Let their citizens know that 45 does not care about them or their city.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
23. republican cheater values suck cesspool scum
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:54 AM
Jun 2019

And they like to pretend they are 'christians' - sick and sad.

Demobrat

(8,980 posts)
45. I was thinking the same thing.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 12:30 PM
Jun 2019

Problem is, nobody would show up and the towns would still be stuck.

Initech

(100,079 posts)
77. And Chump would find some way to steal that profit too.
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 10:20 AM
Jun 2019

Find some way to cut into the profits he's making from Trump properties! Hey, the money has to come from somewhere!

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
29. This could be an entertaining debate question
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:08 AM
Jun 2019

There’s always at least one town hall-style debate. What we need to do is to get the mayor of one of the towns Trump has screwed to ask this question:

“Mr. President, I’m Joe Smith, Mayor of Small Town USA. You held a campaign rally in my city on August 14, 2016. Your opponent Hillary Clinton held one in my city on September 9, 2016. That very night, Hillary’s campaign manager John Podesta handed me a check for more than what it cost my city to host her rally. We’ve sent your campaign numerous bills and haven’t received a cent. My question, and the question of (insert the name of every city Trump has done this to) is, when the hell are you going to pay your bill?”

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
67. They won't do that because most of those mayors are slack jawed assholes who support
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 07:31 PM
Jun 2019

that cheating sack of shit.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
30. They should all sue him
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:16 AM
Jun 2019

And demand he pay all their courts and legal fees. All new contracts with him should include fees will be much higher for him on all rally's before he performs his propaganda show , and penalties should be included and all signed before anything else , or he'll just continue doing this to cities. This is what con men and criminals do.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
50. This thread has me wondering about the legal basis
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:29 PM
Jun 2019

Clearly he should reimburse these towns for the extra security. That's just a decent thing to do.

But I'm wondering if their is a legal basis for these towns to sue. I sorta doubt it unless they quickly pass local or state laws requiring it. I don't think a town can prevent anyone from visiting, whether that's you or me. or the President.

It seems like they are placed in a very difficult position. Send a bill and hope they pay. Or provide no protection and then deal with the fallout that comes. No town or city wants a repeat of November 1963 in their town.

Frankly, I think he found a huge loophole and is dancing through it.

Liberal In Texas

(13,554 posts)
42. He's a deadbeat. Didn't we pretty much know that before the election?
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 12:12 PM
Jun 2019

Anybody who works for him with these stories out should count on working for free.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
44. Lebanon City Hall should have consulted some of the contractors trump fucked over
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 12:20 PM
Jun 2019

before they agreed to hold the rally.

a moron and their undying support for a fucking crooked grifting asshole and their money will soon be parted

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
51. I don't know if Lebanon could actually say no
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:32 PM
Jun 2019

Does a town or city really have the ability to bar a citizen from visiting and using facilities available? I don't know the answer to that ione.

btw, Lebanon is a very nice small town. It was the town that Neil Armstrong retired to.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
70. Yea but "shouldn't have to" is usually not a great legal concept
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 12:50 AM
Jun 2019

It's gotta be dangerous legal ground for a government agency to deny a citizen a permit to gather because they just don't like the guy. Ask any town that has had to grudgeing grant a permit for a KKK or other hate group march. Virtually no one wants the KKK to assembly and speak, but yet it happens every year in numerous towns.

And yes - in the case of campaigning, the President is considered a citizen, just like all the others campaigning for the same job.

Mr.Bill

(24,300 posts)
52. I spent over 30 years in the printing business.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:35 PM
Jun 2019

Of course, there is much money to be made printing campaign materials. Every place I ever worked, the owner knew when selling printing to any political candidate, get 100% of the money before the work starts. They all said they learned this the hard way a long time ago. The interesting thing is they all said you were more likely to get paid by a losing candidate than a winning one.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
69. The cops will be happy to be there. He only goes where he is loved.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 07:38 PM
Jun 2019

Boos and demonstrations damage his weak psyche. So those cops are glad to protect his rallies and the mayors and councils welcome the bum. Let them figure out how to cover the shortfalls after he stiffs them.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
63. Hard to imagine Trump not paying for services rendered.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 06:39 PM
Jun 2019


I mean ... he's never done anything like that before.




DFW

(54,398 posts)
71. And they must love every minute of it
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 01:14 AM
Jun 2019

These places so idolize him, they aren't looking for ways to collect on the unpaid bills, they are probably asking the Trump campaign for pointers on how to get away with it.

These are towns who could see their first-born rounded up, put before a firing squad for no reason, and cheer the shooters as long as they are wearing MAGA hats.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
76. That's His Modus Operandi
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 09:53 AM
Jun 2019

He is in essence a dirty mafia type who was born rich because of Daddy, never had to work.

Just a dumb criminal boss who convinced enough white working class folks, mostly not college educated, to fall in with him. Now we are in quite the mess, drifting hard toward fascism.

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