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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSpeaker Nancy Pelosi is correct
She and the rest of Dems are educating the population on what has been going on since the vast majority of citizens have not been paying attention.
Slowly it is building. Never forget, it is government of the people.
The people have to wake up. Slowly people are paying attention. It is the people who have to demand impeachment. This has never been a sprint, this is a marathon and justice is coming and soon.
msongs
(67,413 posts)malaise
(269,023 posts)Expect them soon and very soon - remember there are I-word protests across the country this weekend
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Say it loudly and often. It's so freaking simple, it will even penetrate the skull of the average American.
kentuck
(111,098 posts)Until there is no other excuse.
malaise
(269,023 posts)conspiracy, obstruction of justice, collusion, grades, business deals, banks records, taxes, medical records, etc., etc.,
empedocles
(15,751 posts)etc.
malaise
(269,023 posts)Justice is coming
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)That/this is all getting shut down, starting post-2016.
HuskyOffset
(889 posts)...disadulation:
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)National Prime time effort complete with Grafts,charts and large print documents educating the Public as to what the hell happened and the players whom made it happen.
JudyM
(29,250 posts)tymorial
(3,433 posts)I'm not sure that the networks as a whole would be receptive to the idea after the Dan Rather fall out. It would most certainly end in lawsuits and Trump would seek an injunction to prevent airing in the first place.
Ask for the American people as a whole... Democrats would support the effort as would many left-leaning independents. Those on the right would flip their lids and other Independents would be suspicious and could push them to stay home or back Trump.
I do believe all in all it could have a positive effect and push more American citizens toward supporting impeachment but I just don't see the media allowing it to happen. This is different from Ross Perot paying the networks to air his campaign special. This is taking down a president even though he has abandoned his oath of office and committed crimes against the United States
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,863 posts)malaise
(269,023 posts)Moon run 'til day ketch him
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)doesn't understand impeachment. It's a series of hearings compiling the evidence. Then a vote takes place. trump thinks the courts can stop the House from doing it's job. The Dems are bringing the people along. It's working.
Fullduplexxx
(7,863 posts)safeinOhio
(32,686 posts)Heard on NPR that said he will be his own Press Secretary. His mouth is his worse enemy.
madamesilverspurs
(15,805 posts)Could be that Pelosi, Nadler, and Schiff are assembling the necessary pieces. Right now it just looks like disparate bits of pipe and fittings, but once it's all put together . . .
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StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)malaise
(269,023 posts)and we're getting there
patphil
(6,180 posts)and I have no illusions about the Senate actually trying the president for his crimes.
We are selling this to the American people.
They are the judge and jury in this case.
It's about truth being brought into the light of day and the president being judged by the citizens.
I don't care if it goes into next year.
The truth must be presented to the people in the most clear, concise, and complete manner.
The election will be the jury process.
All those who supported and protected Trump are at risk if the whole truth is given its place in the Sun.
That is what we need to focus on.
If the Senate refuses to hear the case, or if it never even gets there is not as important as that the real trial proceeds in the court of the American People.
Let the votes decide, but with a fully informed public pulling the levers.
Let the impeachment hearings begin soon!
Patrick Phillips
moonseller66
(430 posts)But then what if we never make it to the elections? Or if we have a repeat of 2016? We will have waited too long. You might want to take that chance, but right now, overwhelming evidence shows the total corruption of this administration. Are you willing to take that chance when hearings would add information that MANY Americans aren't aware of?
It's nice to have the confidence that nothing worse is going to happen (which is the wait and see attitude). There may even be an afterlife, too (Factual jury is still out on that). We've already seen camps, ignored laws, rampant corruption...but let's wait longer. Maybe things will be ok without letting Americans in on the BS.
I'm not willing to wait with all the evidence out there RIGHT NOW.. I'd rather take a chance on public hearings and let the people know what a dictatorship they have rather than losing in 2020 and NEVER getting that information out. I'm not planning on spending my life in a box car or 6x9 cell.
Besides, the Republican controlled Senate is not going to pass anything the house wants anyway. So why worry what the people think?
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)orangecrush
(19,570 posts)the 2020 election
IS.
GOING.
TO.
BE.
RIGGED.
elleng
(130,956 posts)The problems/issues are so complex, imo rather unlikely the populace at large will take the time to understand.
bdamomma
(63,868 posts)people will wake up.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)bdamomma
(63,868 posts)that is for sure. Damn bastards.
notinkansas
(1,096 posts)Things are starting to move too quickly with regard to the Trump administration moving against Iran. This certainly adds significant urgency to dealing with the 45 problem sooner rather that later.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)inquiry. He was on Cuomo. He said it was time when the Mueller report came out.
I agree with him.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)Something's gonna blow.
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Poiuyt
(18,125 posts)about trump's crimes. Not many Americans follow politics as closely as we do, and this is an especially complicated case. The Mueller report is a very dense document and really needs clarification.
I know Rob Reiner has a documentary coming out explaining what the report says. That's a good first step. But I would like to see the Democrats be more proactive about informing the public about what's been going on.
EleanorR
(2,393 posts)If so, do we have the votes?
And can someone tell me when the courts are expected to rule on the subpoenas for trump's financial records? It's a huge problem that thus far the white house has refused to turn over a single piece of information requested by the House.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Oral arguments in the financial records case are scheduled for July 12 and since the court put this case on an accelerated calendar - meaning they're giving it high priority and plan to move it quickly - they should issue a ruling shortly thereafter.
EleanorR
(2,393 posts)And do you know, should an impeachment inquiry begin, whether subpoenas issued based on that inquiry would interfere in anyway with the subpoenas being ruled on in July?
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)EleanorR
(2,393 posts)And I'm trying to understand if there's a reason behind that other than the fact that she'll finally have, I hope, evidence to tip the scales in favor of impeachment.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)I think she's working internally to build the votes she needs to pass an impeachment resolution and is purposely drawing the fire away from the recalcitrant Members to give them time to get where they need to be. A big part of this is to build public awareness and support, which will pressure those Members.
Ans favorable rulings in these pending cases will help considerably - both to show that Trump's obstructionism has no legal basis, but also to get information needed to build the case against him.
But I don't think the timing of these pending cases is the reason she's waiting. If she had the votes, I'm sure she'd move forward. But the additional evidence will definitely help make the case the public needs to see before they'll support impeachment.
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)... will, in turn, need more/better informed constituents to press them along the path towards voting in favor of impeachment inquiry.
Sooooo, it's kind of rinse-repeat cycles in a chicken-and-egg environment.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)One of my frustrations is seeing people expend so much time and energy bashing Pelosi when they should be directing their efforts toward educating other people and, together, pressing their Member of Congress to support impeachment. Complaining to and about Pelosi is a waste of time since she's not the impediment - although it is interesting to see people insist that she's all powerful and if she just says she wants to impeach now, 170 or so Members of Congress from disparate districts around the country will just fall into line behind her. She wishes she had that kind of swag.
mitch96
(13,907 posts)Another blue wave...
Slow is smooth and smooth is accurate.. If you are gonna chop off the kings head,
you better be accurate..
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Vegas Roller
(704 posts)A drumbeat slowly getting louder and louder is more likely to be effective. I know that it tests patience but we have very seasoned and experienced committee chairs and a speaker who is masterful at politics.
myohmy2
(3,163 posts)...she's wrong...
...she's letting my democracy go to hell...
...makes me want to wave the flag one last time...
...
fallout87
(819 posts)at a certain point I fear it will be too late.
bdamomma
(63,868 posts)without consulting with the Congress would that cause impeachment hearings. They need to get rid of McConnell too. I have heard enough of his obstructing this week, yes, McConnell where bills die.
FakeNoose
(32,641 posts)I think you can see where I'm going with this.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)I think she is wrong. I don't agree with her political calculus.
malaise
(269,023 posts)Patience - justice is coming - watch the protests tomorrow
jimlup
(7,968 posts)The thing occupying the White House is a clear and obvious threat to our democracy. Further, a clear and obvious criminal.
ecstatic
(32,705 posts)public support. I can't even imagine where this country would be right now had Lincoln and others waited for the polls.