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By Ron Fournier
June 16 at 9:00 AM
... Politicians and pundits are always fighting the last war. The Nixon scandal conditioned people to assume Democrats would torpedo Clintons presidency. The Clinton scandal causes Democrats to fear backlash if they impeach President Trump.
Until recently, you could have put me in that camp. When special counsel Robert S. Mueller IIIs report documented Trumps efforts to obstruct the investigation into Russian subversion of the 2016 election, my revulsion was matched only by a sick sense of hopelessness ...
Then, in an interview Wednesday with ABC News, Trump said there would be nothing wrong with accepting damaging information about an election opponent from a foreign government. They have information I think Id take it, the president said, essentially encouraging foreign adversaries to help him win reelection.
This is a dangerous and unacceptable precedent: Unless Democrats and Republicans in Congress impeach Trump, every future president has grounds to ask foreign adversaries to launch covert operations against his or her political rivals in the United States ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/16/will-impeachment-backfire-democrats-not-if-they-do-it-right/?utm_term=.52f7a2270c79&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1
shanny
(6,709 posts)Doing nothing will.
marble falls
(57,112 posts)Congressional hearings and kick his ass on Nov 3, 2020.
Poiuyt
(18,126 posts)Now he's talking about a third term:
Taking to Twitter, Trump wrote, A poll should be done on which is the more dishonest and deceitful newspaper, the Failing New York Times or the Amazon (lobbyist) Washington Post! They are both a disgrace to our Country, the Enemy of the People, but I just cant seem to figure out which is worse? .
He then added, The good news is that at the end of 6 years, after America has been made GREAT again and I leave the beautiful White House (do you think the people would demand that I stay longer? KEEP AMERICA GREAT), both of these horrible papers will quickly go out of business & be forever gone!
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/trump-boasts-voters-will-demand-he-remain-president-after-his-second-term-ends-in-bonkers-tweetstorm/
trev
(1,480 posts)Now he's just doing it openly.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)THEY NEED TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT, RIGHT FUCKING NOW
BeyondGeography
(39,375 posts)Like the Senate select committee that investigated Watergate, Pelosis posse could go about their business professionally and ruthlessly. Her Masters of Disaster could paint a simple and compelling portrait of corruption while the rest of the party, including its presidential candidates, relentlessly focuses on voters concerns passing and promoting legislation aimed at health care, income inequality and reforming the political process. They could shine a harsh light on Trump loyalists in Congress, casting them as power-hungry partisans.
mopinko
(70,135 posts)kentuck
(111,104 posts)Do an inquiry.
Get the facts. Stack them up one on the other.
Inform the Republicans of the facts. Dare them to dispute the facts. Double dare them.
Then impeach.
Locutusofborg
(525 posts)Trump easily can be impeached by the House, no problem. But he will be found Not Guilty in his Senate trial, there just arent 20 Republican Senators who would throw him under the bus to get to the required 67 guilty votes. That means Trump would have more than a year for voters who are at all inclined to vote for him to forget about impeachment before he runs for reelection.
My personal preference is to keep Trump under constant congressional investigation, including an on-going impeachment inquiry so that he doesnt have a single day between now and election day when he isnt on the defensive. Impeachment, a trial and a not guilty verdict lets him off the hook.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)exonerated. Once the Senate moves not to convict, Repubs will all call closed and that, in the eyes of too much of the public, will be it. Any further investigation or hearing or discussion will be labeled sour grapes.
We need to keep him under a cloud. Candidates under a cloud are at a disadvantage.
Me.
(35,454 posts)His unrelenting quest to impugn HRC with every crime ever committed (hyperbole) and his ceaseless going after her makes him as responsible for the traitor being in office as anyone. His hatred of her was visceral and vicious.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)they need a fail-safe strategy with no room for error. They can't give Republicans any opening to take over the show.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,624 posts)mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)They impeached Clinton in 1998 with 29% of Americans favoring impeachment. The Senate didn't convict. The GOP "won" the presidency in 2000.. not really, but you know what happened.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)PufPuf23
(8,791 posts)impeachment followed by a failure of the Senate to convict.
A failure by the Senate to convict after impeachment by the House will cast shade on the GOP Senators looking for re-election in 2020.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Not stop Trump from having an exoneration parade as he is going into the General.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)That's pure bullshit.
bitterross
(4,066 posts)I'm already seeing people saying "They have no case, that's why they are not impeaching"
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)I am fighting THIS war. And in THIS war with THIS President, I think impeachment is a bad idea at THIS time. Because the President does not care if he is impeached. He knows the Senate will never convict. He will scream and holler and make a fuss and act like he doesn't like. But that's exactly what he does want. Precisely because it gives him the negative attention he wants. It allows him to dominate the news, because impeachment is all about him. Like a naughty child, he wants the negative attention. He acts upset but secretly he is laughing. So it is no deterrent. Instead it shows Congress' impotence because they can't convict.
And that is what Pelosi is doing. She is exercising her judgement. She is definitely not saying "This is what happened before, therefore it will happen again." That's not judgement. Judgement is your best estimate of what will or won't work under current conditions. The past may offer clues, but it does not control the present, or offer a hard and fast rule. She judges that impeachment will not have the desired effect. I concur.