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struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:21 PM Jun 2019

Will impeachment backfire on Democrats?

By Ron Fournier
June 16 at 9:00 AM

... Politicians and pundits are always fighting the last war. The Nixon scandal conditioned people to assume Democrats would torpedo Clinton’s presidency. The Clinton scandal causes Democrats to fear backlash if they impeach President Trump.

Until recently, you could have put me in that camp. When special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s report documented Trump’s efforts to obstruct the investigation into Russian subversion of the 2016 election, my revulsion was matched only by a sick sense of hopelessness ...

Then, in an interview Wednesday with ABC News, Trump said there would be nothing wrong with accepting damaging information about an election opponent from a foreign government. “They have information — I think I’d take it,” the president said, essentially encouraging foreign adversaries to help him win reelection.

This is a dangerous and unacceptable precedent: Unless Democrats and Republicans in Congress impeach Trump, every future president has grounds to ask foreign adversaries to launch covert operations against his or her political rivals in the United States ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/16/will-impeachment-backfire-democrats-not-if-they-do-it-right/?utm_term=.52f7a2270c79&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

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Will impeachment backfire on Democrats? (Original Post) struggle4progress Jun 2019 OP
No. shanny Jun 2019 #1
Precisely. nt trev Jun 2019 #3
You think a Senate acquittal will be a good thing? Lock him and his cronies in never ending ... marble falls Jun 2019 #14
Something HAS to be done to stop him or at least keep him in check Poiuyt Jun 2019 #2
I think he was always implying that. trev Jun 2019 #5
enough already Skittles Jun 2019 #4
As if BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #6
not if they do it right. mopinko Jun 2019 #7
I suppose it could it it was not done right... kentuck Jun 2019 #8
The timing isn't ideal Locutusofborg Jun 2019 #9
It is essential the process be drawn out, not prematurely started, quickly finished, and Trump emmaverybo Jun 2019 #13
Fournier Has No Credibility As Far As I'm Concerned Me. Jun 2019 #10
not if they do it right... stillcool Jun 2019 #11
No- fear of backlash is a narrative from cowardly defeatists. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #12
I didn't backfire on Republicans.. mountain grammy Jun 2019 #15
+1, and Democrats didn't control the House and Senate for 4 years uponit7771 Jun 2019 #16
Not impeaching Trump in the House is more likely to damage the Democratic party than PufPuf23 Jun 2019 #17
Impeachment will not remove Trump. Casting shade on Republican Senators means nothing and wlll redstateblues Jun 2019 #18
No jaysunb Jun 2019 #19
Doing nothing already is bitterross Jun 2019 #20
I am not fighting the last war, or the war before that. marylandblue Jun 2019 #21

marble falls

(57,112 posts)
14. You think a Senate acquittal will be a good thing? Lock him and his cronies in never ending ...
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:07 PM
Jun 2019

Congressional hearings and kick his ass on Nov 3, 2020.

Poiuyt

(18,126 posts)
2. Something HAS to be done to stop him or at least keep him in check
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:29 PM
Jun 2019

Now he's talking about a third term:

In yet another attack on the New York Times and the Washington Post, Donald Trump suggested Americans will “demand” he stay on as president after his second term concludes.

Taking to Twitter, Trump wrote, “A poll should be done on which is the more dishonest and deceitful newspaper, the Failing New York Times or the Amazon (lobbyist) Washington Post! They are both a disgrace to our Country, the Enemy of the People, but I just can’t seem to figure out which is worse? .”

He then added, “The good news is that at the end of 6 years, after America has been made GREAT again and I leave the beautiful White House (do you think the people would demand that I stay longer? KEEP AMERICA GREAT), both of these horrible papers will quickly go out of business & be forever gone!”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/trump-boasts-voters-will-demand-he-remain-president-after-his-second-term-ends-in-bonkers-tweetstorm/

BeyondGeography

(39,375 posts)
6. As if
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:31 PM
Jun 2019
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) should form a House select committee that assumes ownership of all Trump investigations. She should hire the best pollsters, lawyers and communicators to help the savviest Democrats investigate and prosecute the case against the president. They could start, and maybe end, with the obstruction case outlined by Mueller.

Like the Senate select committee that investigated Watergate, Pelosi’s posse could go about their business professionally and ruthlessly. Her “Masters of Disaster” could paint a simple and compelling portrait of corruption while the rest of the party, including its presidential candidates, relentlessly focuses on voters’ concerns — passing and promoting legislation aimed at health care, income inequality and reforming the political process. They could shine a harsh light on Trump loyalists in Congress, casting them as power-hungry partisans.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
8. I suppose it could it it was not done right...
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:32 PM
Jun 2019

Do an inquiry.

Get the facts. Stack them up one on the other.

Inform the Republicans of the facts. Dare them to dispute the facts. Double dare them.

Then impeach.

Locutusofborg

(525 posts)
9. The timing isn't ideal
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:39 PM
Jun 2019

Trump easily can be impeached by the House, no problem. But he will be found Not Guilty in his Senate trial, there just aren’t 20 Republican Senators who would throw him under the bus to get to the required 67 guilty votes. That means Trump would have more than a year for voters who are at all inclined to vote for him to forget about impeachment before he runs for reelection.
My personal preference is to keep Trump under constant congressional investigation, including an on-going impeachment inquiry so that he doesn’t have a single day between now and election day when he isn’t on the defensive. Impeachment, a trial and a not guilty verdict lets him off the hook.

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
13. It is essential the process be drawn out, not prematurely started, quickly finished, and Trump
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:04 PM
Jun 2019

exonerated. Once the Senate moves not to convict, Repubs will all call “closed” and that, in the eyes of too much of the public, will be it. Any further investigation or hearing or discussion will be labeled sour grapes.
We need to keep him under a cloud. Candidates under a cloud are at a disadvantage.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
10. Fournier Has No Credibility As Far As I'm Concerned
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:40 PM
Jun 2019

His unrelenting quest to impugn HRC with every crime ever committed (hyperbole) and his ceaseless going after her makes him as responsible for the traitor being in office as anyone. His hatred of her was visceral and vicious.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
11. not if they do it right...
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:55 PM
Jun 2019

they need a fail-safe strategy with no room for error. They can't give Republicans any opening to take over the show.

mountain grammy

(26,626 posts)
15. I didn't backfire on Republicans..
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:16 PM
Jun 2019

They impeached Clinton in 1998 with 29% of Americans favoring impeachment. The Senate didn't convict. The GOP "won" the presidency in 2000.. not really, but you know what happened.

PufPuf23

(8,791 posts)
17. Not impeaching Trump in the House is more likely to damage the Democratic party than
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:36 PM
Jun 2019

impeachment followed by a failure of the Senate to convict.

A failure by the Senate to convict after impeachment by the House will cast shade on the GOP Senators looking for re-election in 2020.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
18. Impeachment will not remove Trump. Casting shade on Republican Senators means nothing and wlll
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:54 PM
Jun 2019

Not stop Trump from having an exoneration parade as he is going into the General.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
20. Doing nothing already is
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:07 AM
Jun 2019

I'm already seeing people saying "They have no case, that's why they are not impeaching"

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
21. I am not fighting the last war, or the war before that.
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:03 AM
Jun 2019

I am fighting THIS war. And in THIS war with THIS President, I think impeachment is a bad idea at THIS time. Because the President does not care if he is impeached. He knows the Senate will never convict. He will scream and holler and make a fuss and act like he doesn't like. But that's exactly what he does want. Precisely because it gives him the negative attention he wants. It allows him to dominate the news, because impeachment is all about him. Like a naughty child, he wants the negative attention. He acts upset but secretly he is laughing. So it is no deterrent. Instead it shows Congress' impotence because they can't convict.

And that is what Pelosi is doing. She is exercising her judgement. She is definitely not saying "This is what happened before, therefore it will happen again." That's not judgement. Judgement is your best estimate of what will or won't work under current conditions. The past may offer clues, but it does not control the present, or offer a hard and fast rule. She judges that impeachment will not have the desired effect. I concur.

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