But I think Pelosi is doing this correctly.

Every single Democratic Member of the House must vote to impeach. I'm willing to let her to continue to count votes.

The thing is - MF45 continues to engage in activity that makes the rope longer and longer. This makes the Mueller Report just another piece of evidence in the arsenal.

The more rope the better - just make the tree it's tied to really really really high. This way when the MF45 hangs itself its cloves don't touch the ground.

Trump will be his own hangman. We won't allow Pence to get the opportunity to pardon him.

... the right time.

The Speaker has done well in handling trump shut down - what if that trump disaster was obscured by Impeachment, courtesy of the Impeachment now crowd?

Speaker doing well with the realities she faces over time.

As more and more evidence is allowed to play out and Trump keeps digging the hole deeper the better that it will serve the Democratic Party. Each day more Republicans are being forced to reveal that they have little more than contempt for the rules of law and most importantly the Constitution. It will have little effect on the rank and file Republicans, but will effect the most important block of voters: The Independents. It is the best hope for the destruction or massive overhaul of the Republican Party. I am hoping for the former since far too many Republicans are so brain washed that they are beyond saving. This plain fact was demonstrated during the last election in which even staunch bible beaters refused to accept that he was a degenerate being without a shred of remorse. He a rare being without a conscience. He is totally amoral and is in the same category as the most vicious tyrants. As Lincoln concluded if you wish to test a man's character, give him power. Trump is the perfect Republican candidate and embraces everyone of their greed and hatred driven objectives.

Democratic Reps. I'm not asking for a year - I'm asking for weeks.

One thing that needs to happen is shutting down Democratic pundits that cannot respond accurately to Republican pundits. Watching MSNBC Saturday morning and the gentleman responding to Adriana Cohen couldn't put it where the goats can get it.

Ms. Cohen insisted HRC paid for the Steele Report/Triggered it.

It was a Conserve Think Tank working for Never Trump GOP.

The next few weeks need to be repetitive facts.

you mean "cloven HOOVES." Cloves are a spice. Cloven is an adjective form of "cleave," referring to the split shape. I'm not just nit-picking, because I DID get your idea immediately, and thought it was a very clever comparison.

your own judgment.

Why do you think that USA Liberal or you or me is more trustworthy to know the right thing to do than Speaker Pelosi?

Surely you don't mean that.

I was responding to this....

I was pointing out the author of the OP is indeed saying to trust them more than Pelosi, which they were denying.

Is that clearer?

If you don't understand why that's attacking a straw man, then you don't understand why it's attacking straw man.

Wanting to understand does help, however.

posting an OPINION on a DISCUSSION board is asking the readers to "trust" me. I claim no superior knowledge or special wisdom. But, I do think and I do have opinions. I am wrong sometimes and, when I am, try to admit it.

Your initial post introduced the trust issue as though the words "Trust me" led off my OP. I regret any misunderstanding and give you full credit for good faith. We are just "on different pages" today. Maybe we can agree on some future day.

Have a good one.

I know several people who say they will be discouraged by her inaction. What's the point of voting Democratic if our Party never holds the other side accountable?

He’s laughing at us. As are the Repubs.

It comes out in all his tweets. It comes out in his continual harping on "fake news" ad nauseum. It comes out in his temper tantrums and his firing of everyone around him who dares to hint he is not god incarnate. It comes out in his self-serving press conferences and speeches. And it shows in his face.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

was holding her up as "infallible", but giving my own reason why I don't agree with her in this case.

So stuff your snide remark along with your inability to properly apply logic labels.

The point of voting Democratic is to vote out Trump and his enablers in the GOP. You can't wail and complain about the inaction of Democrats and then turn around and not vote.

We can't count on the election to dump Trump.

He must be stopped sooner.

Unless "it" really kills someone it will be the election that stops "it"

They'll be upset that Trump wasn't impeached they'll not try to vote him out of office.

I don't go for it. Anyone who won't vote Democratic if Trump isn't impeached can't be trusted to vote Democratic if he is. So why should anyone adjust their strategy to satisfy them?

The point of voting Democratic is to GET THINGS DONE, not merely to get somebody elected.

This so-called president is a criminal. He has NO right to serve in any capacity in "OUR" Government. And yet, there he sits, snubbing his nose at anyone and everyone in the world. FUCK, I feel so damned helpless.

I hope I’m wrong, and am willing to eat crow over it. But, I fervently believe nothing will happen between now and Nov. 2020. She’s going to leave it to the voters. Again.

I must agree with you. I love Ms. Pelosi but I really think that not impeaching him is just plain wrong. He has ADMITTED to enough for any sane person to know his guilt. To me, and I supported Ms. Pelosi in her battle for speakership this last time, that she's thinking "politics" when she should be thinking what's right. We CANNOT become just a left version of the gop. We HAVE to stand up for what is right and for the rule of law. If we don't then we become just as bad as the cultists in the trump camp. In my opinion of course.

IS being seriously considered. I haven’t seen any. And the clock is ticking.

You really think that she's going to make public her plans before they are ready?

Is it wise to trigger a mentally unstable POTUS into a war with Iran to deflect from talk of impeachment?

Whenever I think, could it happen? I think:
- each day that goes by lessens the probability
- her plan to impeach is so secret that 60+ members who are calling for an inquiry now, plus the Dem candidates don't know about it.
- well, she didn't support impeaching bush.

Good lord. Impeaching Bush would have been a disastrous move. But then, you're the realist ...

Keep sluggin'.

about standing up for what is right and hold people to justice felt. But it is also a major clue that our current leadership due to inaction then, will not act now. Reading stories about fear of speaking up to power is troubling too.

Well, if that's the case, didn't her doing that also get us Obama for a second term?

And the ACA?

And Gay marriage?

She stated that she would go no faster, nor slower than the acquisition of facts. There are dozens of investigations going on right now. Do you think they lose facts each day?



You do realize that Bush was a different president, and an entirely different situation - I sincerely doubt that she simply despises impeachment on principle, but if you have heard her say that, please share.

In this case, each day we don't initiate impeachment proceedings shrinks the window of opportunity. Hard stop at some point close to election, you would think??? Talk about looking political! If you started during prime general election time.

In my personal opinion only, can not speak for anyone else. This has all turned into a total cluster. On the day before the Mueller report came out, who would have ever imagined in a million years, that the whole thing would cause a rift in our party instead of hurting MF45??

Get it on TV in front of the American people. Everybody from his administration that you can call and get to show up . Those that don't show up, throw the book at them as far as is possible in this dystopian time.

Regular people who are not paying close attention to politics a good part of the time don't really know what's going on, in my opinion. It needs to be put right in front of their faces on TV. Starting now and continuing.

the migrants at the southern border, and a lot of other things.

Unless there’s a huge unknown bombshell coming or House members are completely freed/released to decide, Pelosi will not be calling for an impeachment inquiry

Biden and others have nice matchup leads...but who knows what we need to offset trump’s seemingly unlimited control of the narrative, his unbridled lying, his “I got away with it all” mantra, and trussian interference.

He's very pessimistic about impeachment.

Not that he is not deserving, but timing is important. The senate will not convict Trump. All that does is give him ammo in 2020 to say that he is an innocent victim of Pelosi’s democratic house. I would rather see Trump embroiled in an impeachment hearing during 2020 and help overshadow his campaign.

most voters only understand/respond to Weak versus Strong.

impeaching is Strong. Not impeaching is Weak.

Impeaching right now does not seem prudent in my opinion.

more likely to be construed as "political" than the farther away from it? Personally, I think we lose impact the farther we are away from the "nonpartisan" report.

When has Pelosi taken impeachment off the table for Trump?

Is this a new development?

As if millions of centrist Americans are going to rush to protect Trump from the big bad Democrats when he cries "presidential harassment"??


Ain't gonna happen.

His base is shrinking daily.

His poll numbers are falling.

An impeachment inquiry will drive his support even lower.

Trump can move his poll numbers up 3 -5% simply by saying he is going to investigate Clinton and Obama. Throw. In a little hatred for non-whites and he gets another 2%. We need this case iron clad. I’d like to see public hearings where the crimes can be exposed. The case is very complex and will need to be dumbed down for the average republican.

I'll call BS on that too. Impeaching, when you have a fail-safe case with evidence is the right thing to do. Impeachment, for the sake of impeachment, to have a circus show and give Republicans a chance to perform their shtick...is stupid. Strong/Weak? Masculine/Feminine? What the hell?

moves towards approval. You could be looking at vulnerable Dems being hurt. Notice how many of these names show of on the impeach now rosters? There's a reason a very small percentage are currently on board. Yes it's slowly moving in that direction, but you're not even close to the numbers representing a plurality of Ds!! Try listening to what the politicians are trying to tell you. Pelosi is checking the mood and the temperature every day. But we're not there yet.

After all you really only get one good chance at impeaching a president and if Trump's a 1 termer impeaching is not needed.
If on the other hand he wins the election they can proceed with impeaching his ass.

If they do that we'll have someone like Pence

Trump is the proverbial cornered animal.

She's pretty clueless I hear.





/sarcasm/

The way out ideas of impeachment and green deals.

Madame Speaker is wrong on this issue. It's further exacerbated by the inane comments she's made..."It's divisive", "He's just not worth it", "He needs an intervention", etc. Our narrative is confusing and mixed, at best.

Her public statements are made with the understanding that Trump is listening.

Do you think that she's going to show her hand? He's unstable.

My theory is that she's holding off until they have a rock solid case, with everything documented before dropping inmpeachement inquiries.

I think that he'll declare war on Iran the minute she does in order to deflect.

to trump is game-playing. Sorry, it's getting childish and old and is not producing any desirable results. So what if it makes him "crazy"?? Let me know when that actually gets us out of the situation our country is in now.

Lastly, she is certainly qualified to have an opinion on the correct course of action. But I do not think she is the only person is the United States of America that is most qualified. However, it appears to me that she is one of the few people in the position to have the power to squash it.

Or inaction as "Dem bashing". You do realize 60+% of Dem support impeachment process?

And growing.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/Impeachment-Hearings-Democrats-in-NBC-News-WSJ-Poll-511382032.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6154412-19214-NBCWSJ-June-Poll-6-16-19-Release.html

Another poll says 36% or Democrats, 22% of general public favor starting impeachment over continuing the investigations.



https://www.npr.org/2019/06/08/730697885/poll-support-for-impeachment-hearings-grows-but-americans-split-on-way-forward

What is the source of your data?

Here much higher.
From PBS
April 24-29
Should the Mueller report lead to congressional hearings on impeachment

Dems 70% yes


https://www.npr.org/2019/05/01/718710736/poll-most-democrats-back-impeachment-hearings-a-move-thats-unpopular-overall

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/support-impeachment-grows-among-democrats-new-nbc-news-wsj-poll-n1017751

From June 8:




https://www.npr.org/2019/06/08/730697885/poll-support-for-impeachment-hearings-grows-but-americans-split-on-way-forward

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/19/impeachment-democrats-poll-congress-1368158

It's always good to make statements based on data that exists though.

From the toplines of the poll you referenced:|

How important of a priority should each of the following be for Congress? Beginning
impeachment proceedings to remove President Trump from office
A top priority 541 27%
An important, but lower priority 229 11%
Not too important a priority 191 10%
Should not be done 808 41%
Don’t know / No opinion 223 11%

Very odd that these numbers are so different. Wonder if they are asking the questions differently? Did you see Katie Porter yesterday?

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/Impeachment-Hearings-Democrats-in-NBC-News-WSJ-Poll-511382032.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6154412-19214-NBCWSJ-June-Poll-6-16-19-Release.html

Another poll says 36% or Democrats, 22% of general public favor starting impeachment over continuing the investigations.



https://www.npr.org/2019/06/08/730697885/poll-support-for-impeachment-hearings-grows-but-americans-split-on-way-forward

recognize. Funny thing, you can not fake Dem values nor sincere heart.

on impeachment... the longer we wait the easier it will be for tRump to get away with it.

is when you're ready to act. What is Trump getting away with, that the exercise of impeachment will stop?

Every day he's in office he gets to nominate judges that will alter the future. His legacy will be around for years to come.

If not now, when?

Trump will not be removed from office through impeachment. The Senate will never vote to impeach, especially if it's based solely on obstruction.

start the impeachment proceedings already..

So, why don't we impeach Clarence Thomas RIGHT NOW? We know that it's the right thing to do.

But we also know that doing it right now would result in a worse situation - that DT would get to nominate another one half his age.

Shooting ourselves in the foot won't do "what's right."

Sometimes the answers aren't so simple once you think the consequences through....

building a fail-safe case, with evidence is what is right, and smart.

Only him losing an election will stop that.

And Democrats need to take over the Senate to make sure a Democratic president can get their judges confirmed.

So, no, it won't reduce his "days in office."

It may, however cause him to accelerate judge appointments, and possibly order military strikes on Iran to deflect attention.

ever since Trump had to reopen the government at the end of January and the new house majority could get to work.

4-1/2 months of volleys keeping the WH on defense.
At least 10 house committees investigating and issuing subpoenas.
A dozen ongoing investigations.
Court cases being being filed and decisions rendered every week.
THE case being built step by step every day.

When it comes to being informed, the ball's in our court.

I am sure no one here is nauseous.

That's a pet peeve of mine!

...I don't think she does...

...she's going to drag us kicking and screaming to the 2020 election and hope for the best...

...she's not going to decide trump's fate, we are...

...unfortunately, our trump fate deciding track record is not too good...

...

out some way the protect the vote.

https://lofgren.house.gov/election-security-task-force

Because they're so totally sitting around twiddling their thumbs?



HOUSE INVESTIGATIONS

JUDICIARY: Chairman Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y.

Oversight of the administration's family separation policy
Former acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker’s appointment, his involvement in the Mueller investigation, and his conversations with Trump and involvement with World Patent Marketing
Voting rights and Department of Justice actions on voter ID, census cases
Easing of sanctions on companies linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska
Trump's national emergency declaration
The president's "threats to the rule of law," covering three main areas:
Obstruction of justice, including the possibility of interference by Trump and others in a number of criminal investigations and other official proceedings, as well as the alleged cover-up of violations of the law;
Public corruption, including potential violations of the Emoluments Clause of the U.S. Constitution, conspiracy to violate federal campaign and financial reporting laws, and other criminal misuses of official positions for personal gain;
Abuses of power, including attacks on the press, the judiciary, and law enforcement agencies; misuse of the pardon power and other presidential authorities; and attempts to misuse the power of the office of the presidency.
Trump's interference in Time Warner merger
Threats to relocate migrants to sanctuary cities
Reports that the president said he would pardon acting Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan if he illegally closed the southern border to migrants
Firings of senior leadership at DHS
The administration's decision to stop defending the Affordable Care Act in court


OVERSIGHT AND REFORM: Chairman Elijah Cummings, D-Md.

Oversight of the Trump administration’s family separation policy
Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker's involvement with World Patent Marketing
Reports that the Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman was failing failing to carry out statutory duties to help those applying for legal immigration programs
White House security clearances
Inclusion of a citizenship question on the 2020 census
Easing of sanctions on companies linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska
Delayed back pay for federal workers impacted by the government shutdown
Michael Cohen hush-money payments
Education Secretary Betsy DeVos' efforts to replace her agency's acting inspector general
Transfer of nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia
Child separation actions at DOJ, DHS and Health and Human Services
Communications between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Trump
Michael Cohen's claims that Trump was improperly inflating financial statements
Interior Secretary David Bernhardt's schedules
Trump's threats to relocate migrants to sanctuary cities
Use of private email accounts by Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump and other White House officials, and use of messaging apps like WhatsApp
Gag orders on White House staff
Title X gag rule regulatory review process
Potential lobbying conflicts of interest involving Environmental Protection Agency head Andrew Wheeler
Interior Department's handling of FOIA requests
Abandoning plan to move FBI HQ building from Washington to suburban location
Firings of senior leadership at DHS
Trump Administration’s response to hurricanes in Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands
Trump Administration’s decision to stop defending ACA


INTELLIGENCE: Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif.

Russia investigation, including the scope and scale of the Russian government's operations to influence the U.S. political process, and the U.S. government's response, the extent of any links and/or coordination between the Russian government, or related foreign actors, and individuals associated with Trump's campaign, transition, administration or business interests, whether any foreign actor has sought to compromise or holds leverage, financial or otherwise, over Trump, his family, his business, or his associates; whether Trump, his family, or his associates are or were at any time at heightened risk of, or vulnerable to, foreign exploitation; and whether any actors — foreign or domestic — sought or are seeking to impede, obstruct, and/or mislead authorized investigations into these matters
Whether lawyers for Trump and his family obstructed committee's Russia probe
Trump's personal finances, including loans from Deutsche Bank
Use of intelligence to justify building a wall at the southern border
Easing of sanctions on companies linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska
Communications between Putin and Trump


WAYS AND MEANS: Chairman Richard Neal, D-Mass.

Easing of sanctions on companies linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska
Trump administration's use of user fees generated by the Affordable Care Act
Rule on short-term insurance plans
Trump administration’s decision to stop defending ACA
The president's personal and business tax returns


ENERGY & COMMERCE: Chairman Frank Pallone, D-N.J.

Short-term insurance plans
How the administration is spending user fees generated by the ACA
How HHS is caring for children impacted by the Trump family separation policy
EPA clean air rollbacks
EPA political appointees blocking release of a chemical study
EPA rollback of policies that reduce greenhouse gas emissions to address climate change
EPA political appointee steering litigation to benefit former client
EPA Officials ties to Utility Air Regulator Group
Trump Administration’s decision to stop defending ACA


FOREIGN AFFAIRS: Chairman Eliot Engel, D-N.Y.

Communications between Putin and Trump
Trump administration's failure to produce Russian sanctions report


FINANCIAL SERVICES: Chairwoman Maxine Waters, D-Calif.

Easing of sanctions on companies linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska
Trump's personal finances, including loans from Deutsche Bank
Trump administration's failure to produce Russian sanctions report
Reported ransom demand from North Korean government related to Otto Warmbier


HOMELAND SECURITY: Chairman Bennie Thompson, D-Miss.

Easing of sanctions on companies linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska
Administration's border security policies
Investigation into Trump threats to relocate migrants to sanctuary cities
HUD disbursement of Puerto Rico disaster relief funds
Firings of senior leadership at DHS
Reports of ICE tracking Trump protesters


NATURAL RESOURCES: Chairman Raul Grijalva, D-Ariz.

HUD disbursement of Puerto Rico disaster relief funds
Interior Secretary David Bernhardt's schedules
Agriculture/Interior Department decisions to further construction of a copper sulfite mine in Minnesota


VETERANS' AFFAIRS: Chairman Mark Takano, D-Calif.

Travel expenses of a political appointee in the Department of Veterans Affairs
Potential influence of several Mar-a-Lago members on VA decisions


EDUCATION AND LABOR: Chairman Bobby Scott, D-Va.

DeVos's efforts to replace the acting inspector general
Administration's decision to rescind Obama-era guidance on school discipline
Trump administration’s use of user fees generated by the Affordable Care Act
Trump administration’s decision to stop defending ACA


TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE: Chairman Peter DeFazio, D-Ore.

Trump Hotel lease of Old Post Office building
Abandoning plan to move FBI headquarters from Washington to suburban location


APPROPRIATIONS: Chairwoman Nita Lowey, D-N.Y.

Use of Pentagon funds for border wall
National emergency declaration and border wall funds
BUDGET: Chairman John Yarmuth, D-Ky.
National emergency declaration and border wall funds


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/house-investigations-trump-his-administration-full-list-n1010131

Can you cite a legal basis for that?

why you would say I did.

Are you getting enough fiber?

Yikes... surely impeachment topic will come up. How will all of the candidates handle that? If they have come out in support of opening and impeachment inquiry...what will they say about Nancy not calling for that?