I may have occasion to borrow that.

I ran into a group of people one day just like this. I asked the people that were there, if you stop just one person from going into this clinic and aborting the baby, which one of you will volunteer to raise that child from birth to being an adult? I asked for a show of hands and all I got was stares like I had three heads, I said I thought so, and walked away.

No response from her either.

Unless these folks are prepared to step in and take responsibility for raising all these babies that they insist be born, they need to butt out and mind their own effing business.

And if they are willing to let the new schools be built on their street. Land would have to be acquired for construction immediately. It takes time to permit and build new school buildings.

but the building they were in front of is no longer open. As far as I can tell the building is empty. There is a old faded sign that says something about women’s health but I’ve never seen any cars in the parking lot.

Just a little funny.

There was a Planned Parenthood office in my town. Someone planted a very small explosive one night. It went off, but did very little damage. No one was there, so no one was hurt. The funny thing is, they planted it on the building next door.

If they REALLY believed there was organized murder going on inside the clinic they'd be doing a lot more than praying.

If I believed there was a building where children are brought for slaughter I think I'd take up arms myself.

... They murder doctors and in blowing up clinics they have maimed and blinded a nurse for life.

The ones who don't actually commit murder and vandalism glorify those who do, by hiding them when on the run and by visiting them if and when they go to prison for their crimes.

These fanatics are not nice people.

Everyone knows this. That is why they used "The Squirt" (think of a turkey baster) for intrauterine baptism just in case back in the day.

In my research on the topic, I found the Church had changed their position entirely. But here is what they used back in the day:



Mauriceau's Intrauterine Baptismal Syringe

Not that I would recommend them- not the best procedure. But still in use for some cases.

interestedly,
Bright

And, just to nitpick with the original writer - "in anticipation of eminent fetal demise." Would that be terminating the pregnancy of a future man of the cloth?

Obviously, that should be imminent.

This is what happens when giving birth is exceptionally dangerous and you have to take the baby's soul into consideration as well. It's amazing what people used to get up to a few hundred years ago. I'm sure that, in another hundred years, people will look back on us with as much incredulity.

...right now, altho more for political reasons than medical.

Yes, I look on us with incredulity too.

...before the Catholic Church cleaned up the messy theology.

...for whom a heaven/hell assignment wasn't obvious. Limbo was a place for people "tainted" by original sin, but not mature enough to have sinned themselves.

I've said that a number of times to fundies going door to door pushing their bullshit in my neighborhood.

the surprised and very indigent looks I get in return are priceless.

It might make its way into a play..

I haven't screwed up the courage or outrage to just ask them. I have a friend who instead of saying good by or good night, would say I'm praying for you. WTF!! When my son died, my own brother put me on his church's prayer list. Again, WTF!! I know it would offend them and put them in a tight spot, but they have no concern about me being offended.

Very good indeed!

... and yell in your most authoritative voice,

RIDDIKULUS!

any religion is fundamentally incompatible with rational thinking. Those are opposite of each other.

There are approximately 5,000 children in foster care in Virginia. Of these children, 1,700 have the goal of adoption, and more than 600 of are waiting for adoptive families. These children are from all cultural and socio-economic backgrounds. They are frequently school age, 5 to 14 years old, and part of sibling groups.

But ...... if a woman doesn't want to be pregnant and deliver a baby, that is enough reason for her not to have to. Being pregnant isn't a walk in the park, and childbirth causes many more deaths than abortion, which causes zero deaths if done in a clinic.

I guess maternal deaths don't count to them as long as that baby is delivered.

If every church has a hell, everyone who’s not in that church goes to hell, and no one is in more than twenty or thirty churches at the same time anyway, would it not be correct to assume everyone winds up in hell no matter how much of their money they gave to the church?

How so?

Well, god designed the human being and its reproductive system. Yet 25% of pregnancies in the USA do not result in a live birth. That has nothing to do with people electing to have an abortion. It has to do with the way the human body deals with pregnancy. It has to do with stillbirths and all of the other things that can happen to terminate a pregnancy without any outside intervention.

Yep, god is an abortionist...by design.

Already, one of the volunteer security guards (hats off to those people) tugged at my shoulder and said to me "nothing you say will make a difference to them".... which of course is true, but the guard, I think, was looking out for my safety. Who knows what those kooks are capable of.

Using the rhythm method as the Pope wants, if you're not perfectly well-timed on when you have sex, then there is the possibility of lingering sperm at the start of the no-sex time and then if you jump the gun and have sex sooner than what you should, or the woman's body doesn't have Swiss-like clockwork precision, the egg might still be there. Either way you have old sperm with a new egg or new sperm and an old egg, neither of which bodes well for a resulting zygote, which probably won't be able to implant itself on the uterine wall so it will be expelled. But make no mistake, contraception has resulted. Now think of the millions of Catholics who do rely - at least partially - on the rhythm method. How often does this scenario take place? The rhythm method could be behind the natural abortion of millions of fertilized eggs.

TlalocW

Ie: the idea that the soul didn’t enter the body until 90 days into the pregnancy. Until that point, the fetus was considered a vegetable. While abortion was not encouraged, it was understood and accepted if performed within that 90-day window.

Then, the RCC saw the political advantage of dropping that dogma, and the rest is the anti-choice history that ensued.

I'd like to thank the Roman Catholic Church for the Rhythm Method, without which I would never have been born.

a friend of mine has a metal coat hanger in his car. we have some of these who stand on a sidewalk and he shows it to them.(backalley abortion) i love this persons logic.

Starting with the nonsense of a virgin birth

"He was fully man and fully God".

Can somebody be fully a man and fully a tortoise, even when they're mutually exclusive? Well, Jesus could, apparently.

So...nepotism must be divine.

And he knew it ahead of time.

Seems to me that a mother who aborts a baby to send him/her straight to heaven, and thus risk her own soul, is making a far more admirable sacrifice.

Religion.... I hate it. Can you tell?

Because for 2000 years (give or take a month), power-hungry jerks have avoided (or just removed) ALL the peace-and-love, zen-like aspects. The deliberately leave out the good stuff, and just keep threatening you with damning your soul for all eternity. Not my cup of tea.

I didn't think much of it when I did, but then I saw an article on a guy who says he uses this argument to great advantage.

You propose a hypothetical where you are in a burning room. One one side there is one child, and on the other are 10 children - you don't know anything about them. You can't save them all. You have to choose the 1 or the 10, and you somehow know that either choice will be met with 100% success. It may be heartbreaking, but you have to make the choice. Which do you choose? They'll choose 10 of course. Ask again with five, then three, then two. Ask them why they made those choices. Doesn't really matter what they say. Now ask them the original question, one child on one side, and ten on the other. Which do they choose. They'll say 10. Now say, the ten children are fertilized eggs inside test tubes in a container that keeps them safe and viable but won't survive the fire. The room you're in is at a clinic that does in vitro fertilization. Which do they save now? If they're not totally pissed off and storming away from you, they'll say the one. Why, though? Aren't the fertilized eggs children in their eyes? Aren't they as worthy when it was 10 actual children? At what point in the development of the fertilized eggs will they switch to rescuing them? A week? Two weeks? Three? A month? etc.

TlalocW

If you could reason with fundies, they wouldn't be fundies. They are impervious to logic. Otherwise they'd be on every street corner preaching evolution of species.

in anything regarding his children, who he created.


Another fact of life is that god has a 100% success rate in killing all of us.

The Bible says that a fetus isn’t alive till it draws breath.
Gen 2:.7
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2014/3/19/1285933/-Bible-Life-Begins-at-Breath-Not-Conception

Republicans CHANGED the Bible in the 1970s to get Christians to vote for GOP billionaires and hurt themselves.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/03/22/mischief-follows-in-partisan-bible-translations/

Jesus would be a Democrat today.
Republican leaders think Christians are “useful idiots”.
http://www.chicagonow.com/politics-now/2017/12/the-gop-despises-the-trump-base-and-so-does-trump/

Republican billionaires use Christians to hurt children by taking away their health care. Christians who vote for Republicans are not just useful idiots. They’re going to hell.

Don’t be a useful idiot. Follow Jesus.
Vote for Democrats.

Sounds like, the good old Catholic school religion class dilemma, 'a woman drives her car in a lake, with her baby in the back seat. They r both drowning, u can only save one, with one do u save'? U save the woman, because she has sinned. She will go to 'hell', for her sins. The baby will not go to hell, because it has not sinned. Interesting stuff, huh!!

I bow to your genius.

My father took lessons at winning arguments many years ago. I think it was part of his toastmasters training.It drove me crazy at times but I did grow to admire his talents once I realised resistance was futile.

Needless to say He could take any side of an argument and win it hands down. Even more so if he argued with something he believed in. He was very logical being a Chemist and scientist and could rattle your bones in an argument. Quit a talent.

We use to have a plethora of Jehovah Witnesses come around until one day he got disgusted with their inability to take no for an answer. He invited them inside very cordially, made them coffee and proceeded to convert them to Judaism. They were no match for him and after a half hour or more they excused themselves and made a beeline for the front door.

Word must have gotten out and when they returned to our neighborhood they skipped our house and never bothered us again.

I think you would of loved my Dad.

I had one try the "Do you know Jesus?" No. "You know you're going to die one day don't you?" Yes, I am not afraid of death. End of conversation.

What those people don't realize is their God gave people the capacity to figure out how to do everything they see as sinful. Their God made LGBTQ people. Logically, if their God allowed people to figure how to do something they call sinful and their God made LGBTQ people, then either their God wants those things or their God is a mind games playing psycho.

I honestly believe that modern religion descended from Ancient Greece, where there were Gods that could be good to people one moment, then against them the next. So Satan and the other ruler of hell (per early accounts, there were two rulers of hell, Satan being one of them and the lesser of the two) would be bad gods subordinate to one lord god, like the gods of Ancient Greece were all subordinate to Zeus.

This works for all religious fascist in your face Bible thumpers no matter the issue. Are you going to heaven? If the answer is yes then I prefer somewhere else with your presence that place would be hell. I guarantee this to shut them up it has never failed me.

I got a door knocker to admit the Bible was made up.

If life is so sacred, why do we all die?

Or, are you in favor of criminalizing miscarriages? What happens when a woman miscarries? Do you try her for murder?

Or, are you in favor of birth control and shouldn’t that be free?

That way they go straight to Heaven skipping the whole vale of tears we suffer through.

But there again, logic was never the Fundie's strong point.